question about scripture and healing

jenniferand2 · Jul 23, 2016

So I am a bit confused maybe a little help with this please. I read in scripture that we should be healed by his stripes and that if we pray and believe we should be healed does this refer to our spirit or doe this refer to our body as a whole? Why do some people get healed and others do not? If we believe and pray and are not healed why are we not healed? Are we not believing enough? I am sorry I am a but confused on this topic I sometimes feel as if I am not doing right by God in some way and I do not want to not do right by him. Oh maybe you all can give me some insight on this thanks Jen

Ugly · Jul 23, 2016

If you notice the scripture in Isaiah nothing else is talking about physical, only spiritual. So it doesn't really make sense t suddenly throw in something physical.
God never guarantees healing.
The bible says that God causes good and bad to happen on the just. And that He causes good and bad to happen to the unjust, to paraphrase. It's all down to His will. If He wills us to be healed, we will be. If He doesn't, we won't. We can't answer for Gods reasons or motives though.

jenniferand2 · Jul 23, 2016

thank you Ugly maybe you should change your name lol I m sure your not ugly

Faith-n-Christ · Jul 24, 2016

I am no scholar, I do know he would not remove the thorn from Paul's side. We will never be able to understand God's will. I learned from Job, Who am I to question God's will. I do know from the bible, sin brought destruction. not necessarily our own sin, as with the blind man Jesus healed. but from a fallen world. We are promised in the end, there will be no more pain and suffering, and he will wipe away all tears. This is not our home, we are only here for a short time. I find rest and hope in that.

tourist · Jul 24, 2016

Faith-n-Christ said:

I take comfort in that as well. Pain and suffering can wear you out physically and mentally over a period of year. My wife and I have recently finished reading the book of Job. It is a good case study about overcoming and persevering trials and tribulations.

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jenniferand2 said:

We have been healed of our transgressions. All that "not doing right" has been healed.What does it mean that “by His stripes we are healed”?

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Faith-n-Christ said:

We have the right to question God -- as his children. Not as his judge. Job asked and got his answers. He asked a lot of the same questions we would have asked. I asked the big question -- why me -- and got the answer.

I often fear people don't ask God the big questions and seek out answers for fear God might fade away/lessen/fall apart. He's bigger than we think, no matter how big we think, and is able to withstand the questioning. He also gave us the answers to the most important questions.

p_rehbein · Jul 24, 2016

Ok, I'll add my two peanuts to this.

Yes, this healing concerns our spiritual state/being. Many scriptures point this out. One can "search" [scriptures about spiritual healing] to read of this.

BUT...............WAIT..........It is ALSO Biblical for us to pray for "physical" healing. There is NOTHING in Scripture that I am aware of that forbids us from doing this. In fact, I find just the opposite is true. God WANTS US to bring our petitions before Him. He WANTS US to pray to Him, and lay our burdens (physical and spiritual) down at His feet, and, in doing so, we acknowledge He is King. He is KNOWN as the Great Physician is He not?

Now, that being said, when we pray for physical healing, we must be sure to pray and accept in our hearts......"nevertheless, not my will, but IF IT BE THY WILL..........thy will be done....."

Goodness, God/Christ is SO VERY CONCERNED with both our physical wellness and our spiritual wellness. If this were not Biblical Truth, then Christ would have NEVER caused the blind to see, the lame to walk, or the dumb to speak. He HEALED the physical illnesses/diseases/afflictions of SO VERY MANY people during His ministry here. All four Gospels are FULL of scriptural proof of this. And, EVEN HE prayed to be "spared" from the physical suffering and death He faced on Calvary's cross.......yet, He prayed......."nevertheless, not my will, BUT Thy Will be done."

Just one passage of scripture that reveals that praying for BOTH physical and spiritual healing is not only Biblical, but God's will FOR US TO DO!

James 5:10) Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 .) Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
12 .) But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
13 .) Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 .) Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 .) And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 .) Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I have personally seen believers who were healed of their physical affliction(s), and I have been personally healed of a physical affliction. When saved, sanctified elders of the Church gather around, anoint in the name of Jesus, and pray over a brother/sister in Christ in the name of Jesus/and by the power of God, physical healing can be a reality. Yet, in every instance I have witnessed/participated in, we ALWAYS INCLUDE.......

........nevertheless, not our will, but Thy Will be done........and please, if it not be Your will to heal this beloved brother/sister, that You fill them with Your Spirit to see them through. The Apostle reported this:

2 Corinthians 12:8) For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 .) And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 .) Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Do not forbid the praying for physical healing! And, if afflicted, PRAY for, and have the SANCTIFIED elders anoint you, lay hands on you, and pray over you for physical healing!

(edited to add)

Yes, Job is a great example...........but do not forget the whole story. Job was HEALED both physically AND spiritually...........hmm..........right?

Depleted · Jul 24, 2016

p_rehbein said:

Ok, I'll add my two peanuts to this.

Yes, this healing concerns our spiritual state/being. Many scriptures point this out. One can "search" [scriptures about spiritual healing] to read of this.

BUT...............WAIT..........It is ALSO Biblical for us to pray for "physical" healing. There is NOTHING in Scripture that I am aware of that forbids us from doing this. In fact, I find just the opposite is true. God WANTS US to bring our petitions before Him. He WANTS US to pray to Him, and lay our burdens (physical and spiritual) down at His feet, and, in doing so, we acknowledge He is King. He is KNOWN as the Great Physician is He not?

Now, that being said, when we pray for physical healing, we must be sure to pray and accept in our hearts......"nevertheless, not my will, but IF IT BE THY WILL..........thy will be done....."

Goodness, God/Christ is SO VERY CONCERNED with both our physical wellness and our spiritual wellness. If this were not Biblical Truth, then Christ would have NEVER caused the blind to see, the lame to walk, or the dumb to speak. He HEALED the physical illnesses/diseases/afflictions of SO VERY MANY people during His ministry here. All four Gospels are FULL of scriptural proof of this. And, EVEN HE prayed to be "spared" from the physical suffering and death He faced on Calvary's cross.......yet, He prayed......."nevertheless, not my will, BUT Thy Will be done."

Just one passage of scripture that reveals that praying for BOTH physical and spiritual healing is not only Biblical, but God's will FOR US TO DO!

James 5:10) Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 .) Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
12 .) But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
13 .) Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 .) Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 .) And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 .) Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I have personally seen believers who were healed of their physical affliction(s), and I have been personally healed of a physical affliction. When saved, sanctified elders of the Church gather around, anoint in the name of Jesus, and pray over a brother/sister in Christ in the name of Jesus/and by the power of God, physical healing can be a reality. Yet, in every instance I have witnessed/participated in, we ALWAYS INCLUDE.......

........nevertheless, not our will, but Thy Will be done........and please, if it not be Your will to heal this beloved brother/sister, that You fill them with Your Spirit to see them through. The Apostle reported this:

2 Corinthians 12:8) For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 .) And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 .) Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Do not forbid the praying for physical healing! And, if afflicted, PRAY for, and have the SANCTIFIED elders anoint you, lay hands on you, and pray over you for physical healing!

(edited to add)

Yes, Job is a great example...........but do not forget the whole story. Job was HEALED both physically AND spiritually...........hmm..........right?

Someone rep this man!

Samantha1234 · Jul 24, 2016

jenniferand2 said:

I agree with what everyone has said here. I have prayed for people and they haven't been healed. Others, I've heard of have had miraculous healings. We are not to judge who or when a person is healed, we are only to believe God at his word. There is a nazarene evangelist that travels the US who has seen many, many people healed through his services. Genuinely healed. He does not knock people over, or anything fancy. The Holy Spirit simply heals people in the service.

Dan58 · Jul 25, 2016

Isaiah 53 is talking about a spiritual healing.. I personally have never seen a Christian physically healed, at least not in a miraculous way. I believe the era for that ended, but there's nothing wrong with praying for healing.

BenFTW · Jul 25, 2016

Ugly said:

Jesus quoted Isaiah in reference to physical healing...

Matthew 8:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Isaiah 53:4 King James Version (KJV)

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

PS: Esaias is the Greek name for Isaiah.

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Dan58 said:

I've been healed miraculously once. Hubby witnessed a guy in a hospital be healed.

So because you haven't seen it doesn't mean the era ended.

willfollowsGod · Jul 26, 2016

Dan58 said:

The era has not ended contrary to what cessationists believe including John MacArthur. I recommend Lifestyle Christianity(Todd White's ministry) and the Normal Christian Life, a ministry from Australia. God bless.

Willie-T · Jul 26, 2016

Can someone cite me the verses where Jesus said "No" to healing someone? Especially the verses where He told someone He would not heal them because their illness was something God wanted them to have in order to teach them a lesson, or something.

The verses MUST be there, because so many people here say they know these things from the Bible.

Depleted · Jul 26, 2016

Willie-T said:

Do you think he healed everyone? The guy at the pool couldn't get in the healing waters because everyone else jumped in first. Jesus healed him. No evidence he healed everyone else too. In narrative, it seems he didn't.

Ariel82 · Jul 26, 2016

Luke: 4. 25. But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26. But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 27. And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

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God's will is greater than men's preconceived notions.

Willie-T · Jul 26, 2016

Depleted said:

Well despite the Bible actually saying "He healed all", I think we know there are no incidences where He did not heal a person if they came to Him. I think that is the basic tenant of the Bible, that to get ANYTHING, you have to ask Him for it.

Ariel82 · Jul 26, 2016

I didn't ask God to love me, but He did anyway.

Willie-T · Jul 26, 2016

Ariel82 said:

Ah... but He loved the whole world, long before you were born. He actually wrote in His book that, today, "You have not, because you ask not."

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