Can you prove God is real?

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Jul 23, 2015
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:hrmm: as it is written
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Juan: 3. 31. He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

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godbless us all always
 
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Can you prove the existence of God without using the existence of God as proof He exists?
If we cannot see God then how do we prove He is real,and He will not show us a bodily manifestation of Himself to prove to mankind He does exist,for Jesus said blessed is He that has not seen Him,and still believes.

And that is because it is faith,which faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen.

So there is evidence,miracles,people's lives changing for the better,the word of God.

Which in Isaiah chapter 41 God challenges all religions,and people,to prove that their religion,and god,is true,by showing the end from the beginning,which God said they cannot prove their religion,and god,is true,identifying Him as the one true God,for God showed us the whole history of mankind.

There is witnesses to cause people to believe that God and His kingdom is true,that are substances that show evidence of that which is not seen.

But someone might say how can you prove it without that impact on a person.

Take away the miracles,and the word of God,and Jesus did not come to earth,people's lives changing for the better,and such,and now what do you have to prove God does exist.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

Take away all those things that are substance to show evidence of things not seen,and you still have creation,unless we take away creation too,but then we would not be here.

Creation testifies that there is a higher power that created all things,and of His attributes,which one of them is love,love towards people,for He provided food,and a means to make clothing,and shelter,so people should love that higher power,and people,which no one has an excuse.

People without the word of God will be judged that way,in which the blood of Christ will wash away their sins if they abided by that,and can dwell with God after the millennial reign of Christ.

Can you prove the existence of God without using the existence of God as proof He exists?

Which I still kind of do not understand this,for how can you prove I exist,unless you have proof I exist.

Creation testifies of a higher power would be the closest thing to that,whatever you mean,and the only way you can prove the existence of God,without using the proof of God that He does exist,is to take away everything,and nothing created,and we do not exist,but then you cannot prove anything anyway,for nobody exists.
 

p_rehbein

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This was a homework assignment last semester. I just wanted to see the answers of others on how they would answer it.
PaulMack..........I enjoy almost every post you place here on CC, so do not be offended when I/others answer with some speculation.......given the number of times this subject has been posted on the BDF.......

Had you included the above quoted comment of clarification in the OP, methinks the responses would have been far different.............the OP reads like a "drive by" fishing expedition........just saying......
 
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:alien: as it is written
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Job: 37. 7. He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.

~;> THIS HOW THE DNA IN HUMANS WAS DISCOVERED
FINGER PRINT FOR EVEN A
SIAMIS TWIN DONT HAVE THE SAME
FINGER PRINTS
 

Magenta

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:alien: as it is written
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Job: 37. 7. He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.

~;> THIS HOW THE DNA IN HUMANS WAS DISCOVERED
FINGER PRINT FOR EVEN A
SIAMIS TWIN DONT HAVE THE SAME
FINGER PRINTS
Interesting! :)
 
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:alien: indeed my sister
although this present time humans discovered the DNA by means of the seed of a plant
by the way
not all seal that is written in the bible are a bad seal
as magdalene a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,
And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.
~;> THEY WERE IN THAT HOUSE AT THAT TIME
MEANING IN EVERY HAIR AND BONES AS WELL AS THE NAILS
OF HUMANS SIGNIFIES EVERY SECRETS THAT GOD HID IN TIME ITSELF
see this scripture and tell us what you see
but dont tell to anyone because :haha: will get mad at me
as it is written
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Lucas: 7. 37. And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, 38. And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment. 39. Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner. 40. And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. 41. There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. 42. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? 43. Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. 44. And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. 45. Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. 46. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment. 47. Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. 48. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. 49. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? 50. And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

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godbless us all always
 

Grandpa

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The first two laws of thermodynamics state that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only altered in form and mass can neither be created nor destroyed only altered in form.

So that means that all the energy and mass that is here in the universe is all the energy and mass that there ever was.

So that brings a very big problem of how did it get here in the first place?

All this mass and energy must have had a starting point. Nothing explains this starting point except a creator.

It didn't create itself naturally. It didn't come from nothing naturally. It could only come about to begin with, super-naturally.


There's no scientific explanation for how all the matter and energy that is here, got here. There can't be. Because science can only explain the natural. Not the super-natural.

Colossians 1:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
 

HQ

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So far i see only two people here who take the time to be serious about not using circular logic to prove God is real. All the rest are those who answer seem to be false Christians making jokes instead of being serious.

Is this what we are seeing today? False Christians who think God is a joke?
It took a rational mind to formulate those four sentences. Did your rational mind come from the non-rational? No, that's impossible. It comes from another rational mind. We call Him God. If God is not the source of rationality, what do you say is? A freak cosmic accident? That would be irrational.
 
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Can you prove the existence of God without using the existence of God as proof He exists?
I am sixty-three years old and the Lord has solved every problem I've ever had. Do you consider that proof or do I also need to pull a rabbit out of my hat?
 

posthuman

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if anyone is unsure, and wants to collect evidence for themselves, not being satisfied in '
hearsay' ---

what if i invite them to die, and find out first hand?
 

posthuman

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So far i see only two people here who take the time to be serious about not using circular logic to prove God is real. All the rest are those who answer seem to be false Christians making jokes instead of being serious.

Is this what we are seeing today? False Christians who think God is a joke?

i don't really believe the onus is on me to prove that God is.
and i don't believe that makes me a "
false Christian" -- doesn't the scripture say men are "without excuse" on this subject? do you believe it? then why would you accuse anyone who doesn't act as though men actually do have an excuse, a '"false Christian" ?

so ...




... however since you appear offended, and i don't wish that -- has anyone mentioned applying Gödel's incompleteness theorem to life, the universe and everything?
 

Adstar

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I cannot prove the existence of God to anyone.
No one can prove the non-existence of God to me..

But God Himself can prove His existence to anyone He wills to prove Himself too.. :)

If the existence of God could be proven by some undeniable observable proof in the universe then following Gods will would then no longer be a free willed decision.. Once God was proven in a way that most unbelievers want it proven then they would be FORCED to submit and conform to Him.. I believe God will not allow anyone to prove His existence to others.. His message in the Bible in conjunction with His Holy Spirit work to move those who love the truth into believing and trusting in Him..

All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 

Yonah

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Can you prove the existence of God without using the existence of God as proof He exists?
can you prove you exist without using you to prove you exist?
 
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IMHO you can prove it, most people will just refuse to see it for what it is. Even Atheists who pride themselves on "logical" thinking will do mental-backflips to deny God while pretending they are being objective.

IMO there are two main things (that for me) objectively proved God's existence.

Prophecy: No other book has a track-record like the bible for making predictions and them coming true. None. Zip. Nada. There is no way men back then could foresee things centuries to millenia in advance, and yet it all comes to pass. That is not a coincidence, and anyone who says it is would be fooling themselves.

Secondly Logic: If reality is a construct, all things must be made, because nothing can exist without first being made. There is also a "system" a "logic" to everything that exists. Cause and effect, symmetry, all sorts of things that are just little snippets of God's unfathomable genius and artistic presence.

So how can things exist if they were not made? And how can systems follow patterns, when patterns require conception? (thought.) Things don't just "happen" for no reason, which is what a non-believer would have you believe, which is a direct contradiction to science anyway. What we know based on Science proves Gods existence, and yet they still refuse to see it.

I've used this logic against Atheists before, but they have done everything from just resorting to personal attacks to claiming there is no logic behind the patterns that dictate reality, which is just absurd to me.
 
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Dino246

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I would start with the kalam cosmological argument:

1. Everything which began to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.

The cause of the universe must be outside of time, because time is a property of the universe. Similarly, the cause must be outside of space and matter, because those too are properties of the universe. The cause must be highly capable and powerful, to bring the universe into being, and also incredibly intelligent, because the universe is highly ordered and replete with information, and information can only come from an intelligent mind. So we have a timeless, spaceless, massless entity which is extremely powerful and intelligent. I only know of one entity which fits that description: God.
 
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Can you prove the existence of God without using the existence of God as proof He exists?
proving God to someone who doesn't believe in what God spoke to the world and purposed to be written and preserved as a His own message to mankind is impossible. Gods word is the only proof to the heart of a person. if someone will not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, simply because they hear that message, they cannot be convinced. some simply have no faith. and without faith God cannot be proven, He is spirit, and is Known by the spirit unseen that is our Life. if a person doesn't look at the earth and believe Gods word that He created it, that man fell into sin and death, that He flooded the world...and so on it is not possible to prove Gods existence.

His Message is eternal and True, but His Word is our Life or Death. if You believe it you will live, if not, you will die.
 

Magenta

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has anyone mentioned applying Gödel's incompleteness theorem to life, the universe and everything?
The answer to life the universe and everything is 42 :)