France - Two muslims murdered a priest during the church service
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They are so angry. Gangs of young men doing nothing but staring at people...they're occupying the malls, the sidewalks, the green lungs, the libraries...it's not very pleasant. They are bothering girls and they are generally not acting like gentlemen. Are we so afraid of the mob labeling any criticism of those people racism? It hasn't got anything to do with skin color. It has everything to do with one religion...
A couple of thoughts;
What does "by all means" mean to the French? During WWII, when things looked bleak in the pacific theater, Curtis LeMay and Robert McNamara devised a plan that could defeat the Japanese and save American lives. Kill as many Japanese civilians as possible using incendiary bombs dropped in 50 of the largest cities in Japan. As many as 100,000 per bombing raid were killed. Up to 95% of all of these cities was destroyed. Lemay stated that had the U.S. lost the war, he and McNamara would have been tried as war criminals.
So as Sean Connery said to Kevin Costner in the Untouchables; What are you prepared to do? If you are willing to go medieval on your enemy, you have to consider looking at various strongholds they occupy and totally and utterly destroy them. All of them. That includes anyone else within the blast zone. Fair warning. If you don't wish to die with the terrorists, don't occupy the same space.
Another option for France and for all other countries dealing with Islamic extremists would be to do what Israel does and bulldoze places where they live, they worship, and where they teach hate. When a man stands up in front and begins telling his Muslim audience that they should kill all infidels, that man needs to be jailed, expelled, or maybe droned. It's up to each country to decide how far over the line they want to take this fight.
So as Sean Connery said to Kevin Costner in the Untouchables; What are you prepared to do? If you are willing to go medieval on your enemy, you have to consider looking at various strongholds they occupy and totally and utterly destroy them. All of them. That includes anyone else within the blast zone. Fair warning. If you don't wish to die with the terrorists, don't occupy the same space.
Another option for France and for all other countries dealing with Islamic extremists would be to do what Israel does and bulldoze places where they live, they worship, and where they teach hate. When a man stands up in front and begins telling his Muslim audience that they should kill all infidels, that man needs to be jailed, expelled, or maybe droned. It's up to each country to decide how far over the line they want to take this fight.
That passage often gets twisted, as if Jesus is not calling for peace, but calling for war, and by a physical sword no less. That's not the teaching of Jesus, The Prince of Peace, but the false 'religion of peace'. Very twisted. Jesus' Word, The Sword of the Spirit, brings peace with God for those who receive Jesus as Savior, but it doesn't bring 'peace' to the 'earth' because of those who reject Him and God's only Way of salvation, and their determination to have another God, or another or their own way.
But it is THEY that pro-actively bring war and violence, not Jesus. His Sword brings conviction, and we war within ourselves over it because of sin, so in that sense, yes, He did not come to bring peace to the earth, but a 'sword', but that same sword brings peace when we allow it to slash the sin from our lives as individuals, and then as His body, and ultimately in His eternal kingdom, as was rightly stated earlier.
But the lack of 'peace' in the world shouldn't be blamed on Jesus, or a mis-appropriation/mis-application of a biblical text or quote by The Prince of Peace.
But it is THEY that pro-actively bring war and violence, not Jesus. His Sword brings conviction, and we war within ourselves over it because of sin, so in that sense, yes, He did not come to bring peace to the earth, but a 'sword', but that same sword brings peace when we allow it to slash the sin from our lives as individuals, and then as His body, and ultimately in His eternal kingdom, as was rightly stated earlier.
But the lack of 'peace' in the world shouldn't be blamed on Jesus, or a mis-appropriation/mis-application of a biblical text or quote by The Prince of Peace.
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I'm sure I'll catch flak for saying this, but I'm going to anyhow. If it were up to me, there would be a global media blackout for a period of 90-180 days and a complete suspension of the Geneva Convention and every country with skin in the game of Islamic Terrorism would be let off their respective chains to do any and everything necessary to push the rock worshippers back to the festering little patch of sand they slithered away from.
*stands and waits for the first tomato to be thrown my way or the first accusation of me believing in an un-Christian manner*
*stands and waits for the first tomato to be thrown my way or the first accusation of me believing in an un-Christian manner*
I did not come to bring peace to the world but a sword
For I have come to turn a man against his Father
A Daughter against her Mother
A Daughter in Law against her Mother in Law
a mans enemies will be be the members of his own household
How you come up with your interpretation beats me. Apart from Matthew 10 the OT is full of instances where God tells Israel to fight their enemies. God supposed to be the same yesterday today and forever. That means not waiting to have your throat slit by some mad fanatic as far as im concerned.
For I have come to turn a man against his Father
A Daughter against her Mother
A Daughter in Law against her Mother in Law
a mans enemies will be be the members of his own household
How you come up with your interpretation beats me. Apart from Matthew 10 the OT is full of instances where God tells Israel to fight their enemies. God supposed to be the same yesterday today and forever. That means not waiting to have your throat slit by some mad fanatic as far as im concerned.
The scriptures are talking about how the Word of God causes division between people.. Causes division between believers and non believers.. This scripture was soon fulfilled after the death and resurrection of Jesus when the apostles went out to preach the Word of God to the Jews.. Some Jews believed and some disbelieved .. A mother believed and a daughter disbelieved, a son believed but his dad disbelieved and thus the Word of God divided families and soon Christians where being persecuted and their enemies where people within their own families.. Paul originally was one of these Jews who persecuted the first Christians.. Even today when a muslim comes to believe in Jesus and becomes a Christian their very lives are in danger often by their very own family members, But even if the new Christian comes from an atheist family they will often face rejection and division from their family members and former friends.. So the sword is His Word.. And it divides us from unbelievers and causes real division and often conflict..
You twisted my interpretation. Of course we're not supposed to 'wait to have our throat slit by some mad fanatic'. That's just asinine. That doesn't mean that the great commission from Jesus is for us as individual christians to go physically attack others, but there are some who mis-interpret Matt. 10 to mean just that. I was simply pointing out that error.
I see that error being similar to many who, though they were hoping for the Messiah of Israel, they were expecting a sort of conquering politcal or even military hero, some even thought He might overthrow Rome, and perhaps non-Israel religions or governments too, but the Messiah came with a different purpose. A hero yes, but of a different sort, conquering hearts by grace, peace, forgiveness, reconciliation, and the love of God. Those that think our job is to CAUSE divisions and strife in the family, and to beat others into submission, either with a physical sword or with the Word of God, are still missing His point, and sometimes the misinterpretation of certain bible passages can lead people away from our God and Savior, rather than closer to Him.
I see that error being similar to many who, though they were hoping for the Messiah of Israel, they were expecting a sort of conquering politcal or even military hero, some even thought He might overthrow Rome, and perhaps non-Israel religions or governments too, but the Messiah came with a different purpose. A hero yes, but of a different sort, conquering hearts by grace, peace, forgiveness, reconciliation, and the love of God. Those that think our job is to CAUSE divisions and strife in the family, and to beat others into submission, either with a physical sword or with the Word of God, are still missing His point, and sometimes the misinterpretation of certain bible passages can lead people away from our God and Savior, rather than closer to Him.
What?!?! I'm confused.....
Truth is, the end game of Islam is to take over the world. When Islamic population reaches certain percentage, muslims become more aggressive and drive out all the non-muslims. Bradford in UK is a good example, on national scale we saw this in Sudan, where the Muslims drove everyone out of the North. We are seeing it in Nigeria as well.
We are under attack by Islam on many fronts, but many are blind to it. A white kid shooting up a school or church is acting alone out of hate, it is totally opposite end to a Muslim doing the same. A Muslim will be doing these things because he is being driven by Religious duty and just following orders, be it through the Koran or through the chain of command to any group affiliate with. It is war.