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Maybe while his back was turned to God he simply did not see or count his blessings. They are always there. Remember how Jesus said, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing...? Was He shunning them then? He does not force people. At least, that is my understanding. Self will opposes God until it sees the error and insanity of a life driven by self.
The person in sin turns their back on God, is more how I see it. How can God look away? He is watching and waiting always as the father in the parable of the prodigal son, seeing us and preparing for our return even as we are a long way off. We are all prodigals, and all of heaven rejoices when we repent.
shunning can definitely be a great tool of our Father to bring us to our senses and begin and start to
allow us a loving way back to Him and to re-discover our strength in Him -
He almost always makes a way to bring us back into the comfort and safety
of the goodness of His heart...This is but one of our Saviour's Loving techniques...
allow us a loving way back to Him and to re-discover our strength in Him -
He almost always makes a way to bring us back into the comfort and safety
of the goodness of His heart...This is but one of our Saviour's Loving techniques...
S
Shunning is in deed powerful, my tyranical ego cannot stand for it. When i feel shunned I know the green headed monster within is a scheming for position. I do know that the enemy uses shunning, it's just repackaged as "dissed" or "disrespected". Without wisdom, this shunning results in many deaths both spiritual and physical.
I don't know how it is in some of your cities, but we have several large, active LBGT "churches" in our area. All "shunned" homosexuals do is simply happily move to where all the others are congregating. About the only thing it seems to me that hetro church shunning does is to remove the fairly exclusive adoration and star-status they might have enjoyed at a straight church as the only homosexual couple there......... that is if a good portion of the people fawned all over them as though they were celebrities.
D
Certainly not in this conversation. If any were looking for proof that Christians hate them or if someone was hoping to find God's love, not in this conversation at all.
You seem to think we have to be educated on what God's word says. I get that part. I really do. I get it particular because I see what else fits into the "them" of God's word. Here's the list of what "they" do.
Romans 1:[FONT="]29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.[/FONT]
Once you count all of "them," who do you have left? Not you. Not me. No one. We are the "they!"
And yet, who are you going on and on about? Someone who isn't you.
You seem to think we have to be educated on what God's word says. I get that part. I really do. I get it particular because I see what else fits into the "them" of God's word. Here's the list of what "they" do.
Romans 1:[FONT="]29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.[/FONT]
Once you count all of "them," who do you have left? Not you. Not me. No one. We are the "they!"
And yet, who are you going on and on about? Someone who isn't you.
P
Lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, the pride of life fits many of category of people, it's when they insist that it is a natural affection and encourage others to do so it becomes an abomination imo.
Middle school and high school teens are the target in most cases. Not understanding there sexual urges developing and wanting to gain acceptance it is part of the peer pressure that exists today.
Taking prayer out of public schools has caused a massive weakness in society today. A steady decline in public schools can be shown to go as far back as the 1960s. The fact that a adolescent mind doesn't matures untill the age of 21 or so never was or is considered thus they are treated by the powers that be as matured young adults capable of mature decision making.
That's why it's important to build a hedge of prayer around your family, or its like sending a lamb into the lions den.
Middle school and high school teens are the target in most cases. Not understanding there sexual urges developing and wanting to gain acceptance it is part of the peer pressure that exists today.
Taking prayer out of public schools has caused a massive weakness in society today. A steady decline in public schools can be shown to go as far back as the 1960s. The fact that a adolescent mind doesn't matures untill the age of 21 or so never was or is considered thus they are treated by the powers that be as matured young adults capable of mature decision making.
That's why it's important to build a hedge of prayer around your family, or its like sending a lamb into the lions den.
J
I would like to state that I am appreciative for most of the comments. Great discussion. I would also like to rephrase the question from rather the world and their sin but more concerned for the Church and Homosexuals that profess to be Christians some even pastors or priest. But they are nothing more than wolves in sheep's clothing.
Well, considering both you and I know that we only use the term mostly because it takes a shot at them, I have to ask myself if I am really being honest when I also make the weak claim that I am "only being accurate."
In fact, this conversation has caused me to think that perhaps I should only use the term I am willing to call them to their face. And, as obnoxious and abrupt as I am, enjoying, oft times, setting others back on their heels, God did not grant me the right to deliberately use a term I know hurts other people.
After all, do I call black people n____rs, even though my black nanny taught me many of them certainly are... and she used the term freely when it applied to the people who acted that way. No, if a man is not acting like one, I won't deliberately insult him by using the term. I should do no less with anyone else.
Boy, this is going to be hard for me... because, just like so many of us, I do like to "make a statement" with the terms I use.
In fact, this conversation has caused me to think that perhaps I should only use the term I am willing to call them to their face. And, as obnoxious and abrupt as I am, enjoying, oft times, setting others back on their heels, God did not grant me the right to deliberately use a term I know hurts other people.
After all, do I call black people n____rs, even though my black nanny taught me many of them certainly are... and she used the term freely when it applied to the people who acted that way. No, if a man is not acting like one, I won't deliberately insult him by using the term. I should do no less with anyone else.
Boy, this is going to be hard for me... because, just like so many of us, I do like to "make a statement" with the terms I use.