Instrumental music in worship?

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the Bible "
doesn't back up" this human ban on musical instruments.
plain and simple.


Give me a verse in the New Testament saying you can use instrumental music in worship! ...... If you can't and you use instruments in worship then you are adding to Gods word which is sin rev22:18
 

posthuman

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"The quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous " Websters is fine with me

then you are exempt and released from the onerous restriction placed on you by these people.

God has made it abundantly clear that He approves of and even delights in music, and that it is a good thing to use it in worshiping Him.
you cannot stop yourself from making noise no matter how hard you try. even if you stop interacting with all physical objects your heart will beat and the blood in your veins will move. every time you take a footstep you are making music - producing sound. every time you type another response you are making music. you cannot help but do it. honor God then with all that you do -- and your life itself is instrumental music, so you'd better either get used to it and accept that -- or follow the teachings of these wolves you've been listening to, and take them to their necessary end & kill yourself to prevent yourself from "sinning" by making noise by the interaction of your body with physical things.

absolutely no where in scripture will you ever find a law that says you shall not make music to God.
this is 100% human teaching placing you under a burden of slavery and false humility.

if Christ has made you free, be free.

i'm leaving for work. i don't have time to try to bottle-feed you the basics of what "
law" is and what it means to be "not under law but grace."
you'll have to think about what we've showed you and what the scripture actually says. read Colossians. read Galatians. then go look at the psalms and use your brain -- compare what these false teachers have told you with what the Bible actually says.
Christianity is not a thing in which you turn your brain off. it is the most cerebral system of theology the world has ever known. so let your mind be renewed so that by testing you may discern the will of God.
 
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#44

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.​
Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
(Galatians 5:1)
We were slaves to sin (Romans 6:20) and released of that by being baptized into Christ
 

posthuman

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#45
Give me a scriptural response and you will when the debate .... Send me a meme and you prove your own lack of case and your own lack of knowledge of Gods word
you've already had the scriptural case presented to you.

it's not a "
debate" that's going on here.
what's happening is that people who actually have knowledge of God are trying gently to correct the false teaching you've been taken captive by.

anyway, off to work.
think about what i said & what others have said and will continue to say to you.
you're making music all day long whether you like it or not -- it is impossible to prevent. unless you kill your body to stop it from moving about producing sound by the interaction of it with physical objects.
so i suggest you either follow this false teaching to the necessary end, and commit suicide to "
keep yourself from sin" ((ha!))
or that you consider what we're trying to show you. guess which path is preferable?
 
Aug 4, 2016
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#46

then you are exempt and released from the onerous restriction placed on you by these people.

God has made it abundantly clear that He approves of and even delights in music, and that it is a good thing to use it in worshiping Him.
you cannot stop yourself from making noise no matter how hard you try. even if you stop interacting with all physical objects your heart will beat and the blood in your veins will move. every time you take a footstep you are making music - producing sound. every time you type another response you are making music. you cannot help but do it. honor God then with all that you do -- and your life itself is instrumental music, so you'd better either get used to it and accept that -- or follow the teachings of these wolves you've been listening to, and take them to their necessary end & kill yourself to prevent yourself from "sinning" by making noise by the interaction of your body with physical things.

absolutely no where in scripture will you ever find a law that says you shall not make music to God.
this is 100% human teaching placing you under a burden of slavery and false humility.

if Christ has made you free, be free.

i'm leaving for work. i don't have time to try to bottle-feed you the basics of what "
law" is and what it means to be "not under law but grace."
you'll have to think about what we've showed you and what the scripture actually says. read Colossians. read Galatians. then go look at the psalms and use your brain -- compare what these false teachers have told you with what the Bible actually says.
Christianity is not a thing in which you turn your brain off. it is the most cerebral system of theology the world has ever known. so let your mind be renewed so that by testing you may discern the will of God.
Freedom from law is mosaical law ... give me a verse that says we can .... If not it is added and added is sin .... I'm providing scripture for all my points John 12:48 scripture is what we will be judged by .... Where is your scripture?
 

Angela_grace

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When I was a kid I wanted to play the drums. I wanted it so bad that I would sometimes cry watching others that did so with little effort. When I accepted Christ around the age of 16 or so, I started going to a church that used drums in their worship service. Again, I tried to do it but couldn't. I began to pray and ask God for the gift. About a week later, I sat behind the drums and it was like I had been playing for a year.
Since then, God has anointed my playing on a regular basis. I've seen my hands go past me as I was playing and almost not recognized them. Sometimes it's as if I am beside myself watching myself play. ALL glory goes to God, I am not trying to brag.
Now, we serve the same God, would our God give me a sinful gift?
I might add that many churched that believe in music, don't believe in drums. God loves music. To deny or think that it is a sin is just another example of the legalism that Satan has used to hinder true worship and relationship with God.

GraceDefined
Your testimony is awesome! High five! It reminded of a time when my band/siblings and I were leading worship. There was a prophet that was there that day and he said that every time my brother, the drummer would hit his drum healing would begin to happen.
 
Aug 4, 2016
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#48
you've already had the scriptural case presented to you.

it's not a "
debate" that's going on here.
what's happening is that people who actually have knowledge of God are trying gently to correct the false teaching you've been taken captive by.

anyway, off to work.
think about what i said & what others have said and will continue to say to you.
you're making music all day long whether you like it or not -- it is impossible to prevent. unless you kill your body to stop it from moving about producing sound by the interaction of it with physical objects.
so i suggest you either follow this false teaching to the necessary end, and commit suicide to "
keep yourself from sin" ((ha!))
or that you consider what we're trying to show you. guess which path is preferable?
I have countered all scripture given and none more has been given...
 
Aug 4, 2016
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#49
Your testimony is awesome! High five! It reminded of a time when my band/siblings and I were leading worship. There was a prophet that was there that day and he said that every time my brother, the drummer would hit his drum healing would begin to happen.
Where is any of this supported by scripture.... there was no healing and this "prophet" is a liar and a wolf
 

BruceWayne

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#50
Give me a scriptural response and you will when the debate .... Send me a meme and you prove your own lack of case and your own lack of knowledge of Gods word
Yes. A "meme" proves exactly who someone is and what they know. Failed it lol. As posthuman has said, it has already been presented to you. You will only hear what you want to hear and condemn something that has not been condemned. There is nothing to debate. The truth is the truth whether you want to agree with it or not.
 
Aug 4, 2016
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Yes. A "meme" proves exactly who someone is and what they know. Failed it lol. As posthuman has said, it has already been presented to you. You will only hear what you want to hear and condemn something that has not been condemned. There is nothing to debate. The truth is the truth whether you want to agree with it or not.
My option is supported by fact of the bible yours is not .... Give me scripture or prove me wrong .... You haven't proved because you haven't given scripture
 
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Not under old law again for half of your points ..... Being a faithful Christian isn't easy and there are lots of rules (all are instructions for a perfect life) but we knew its not easy by Matthew 7:13-14 but it is not impossible and it is not grievous
1john 5:3
Jesus said His yoke is easy.
There aren't any rules.
The instruction is for learning how to grow in grace and the knowledge of the Lord, but only Jesus lived the perfect life, and reckons it as ours as a gift.

The psalm is under Old law ..... 1corinthians is saying "if I come in a language you don't understand what good does it do, or if you go to war and the trumpet doesn't make its correct noise how will you know to attack?" (Paraphrasing of course) but it isn't discussing worship .... And revelation is being metaphorical (four horseman and such)
Do you Really Really want to be under all this religious bondage and law-keeping?

Do you like the restrictions that are put on you?

If so, go ahead, but you'll get no converts here, so you may as well head on.

But if you're not feeling right about about that hammer coming down on you, we are here to help.

Jesus loves you, and is not mad at you, He didn't come to condemn you, but to save you and set you free.

If you feel stuck in a legalistic church, and want to be delivered from it, consider it done. Simply walk away.

Ask the Lord to show you where He would have you go so you can honestly worship Him from the heart in spirit and in truth, like you know your soul is crying out to do even now.

Ask our heavenly Father for the Holy Spirit, ask Him to open your eyes and heart to see the great salvation He purchased for you with the shedding of His own blood on the cross.

Ask Him to let you see into a tomb that is empty, and realize the devil couldn't beat Him, the grave could not keep Him, your sin has been washed away, He is risen and alive forevermore, and eternal life with Him in His kingdom is His gift to you.

Sing, shout, dance, play an instrument, laugh, cry, praise the Lord with all your worth, and rejoice because He wrote your name in His book of life.

Freely you have received, freely give, your whole heart, soul, mind and strength, for worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive all honor and praise! He's the God of love, peace and joy, don't let anyone rob you of it.
 
Aug 4, 2016
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#53
Jesus said His yoke is easy.
There aren't any rules.
The instruction is for learning how to grow in grace and the knowledge of the Lord, but only Jesus lived the perfect life, and reckons it as ours as a gift.

Do you Really Really want to be under all this religious bondage and law-keeping?

Do you like the restrictions that are put on you?

If so, go ahead, but you'll get no converts here, so you may as well head on.

But if you're not feeling right about about that hammer coming down on you, we are here to help.

Jesus loves you, and is not mad at you, He didn't come to condemn you, but to save you and set you free.

If you feel stuck in a legalistic church, and want to be delivered from it, consider it done. Simply walk away.

Ask the Lord to show you where He would have you go so you can honestly worship Him from the heart in spirit and in truth, like you know your soul is crying out to do even now.

Ask our heavenly Father for the Holy Spirit, ask Him to open your eyes and heart to see the great salvation He purchased for you with the shedding of His own blood on the cross.

Ask Him to let you see into a tomb that is empty, and realize the devil couldn't beat Him, the grave could not keep Him, your sin has been washed away, He is risen and alive forevermore, and eternal life with Him in His kingdom is His gift to you.

Sing, shout, dance, play an instrument, laugh, cry, praise the Lord with all your worth, and rejoice because He wrote your name in His book of life.

Freely you have received, freely give, your whole heart, soul, mind and strength, for worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive all honor and praise! He's the God of love, peace and joy, don't let anyone rob you of it.
Yay I'm finally free from this legalistic church that has been binding me I can now worship and praise God in how I see fit.... I feel like God will be exalted and praised most by me going on a killing spree, I will start first with the members of the legalistic church which bound me and then I will go on to the public school and worship God there with a bomb and on to malls and stadiums spreading my worship of God to all areas .................. Proverbs 14:12 Jeremiah 10:23 .... Man is not to direct his own steps but to follow in the footsteps of Jesus through his word
 
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#54
I'm going to bed and the comment I last made was sarcasm showing the flaw in that way of thinking .... I will resume debating tomorrow
 
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Ultimatum77

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I don't think you have to sing acapella to be a Christian....its just being legalistic....David played the harp is he in hell? no....

Just because the Bible does not say in the NT about using instruments doesn't make it a sin.....I used to go to a church of christ school and honestly found it a bit hypocritical that when you worship God you don't use instrument but listen to Christian music like chris tomlin who uses instruments in his worship songs....again not trying to offend but I found that just whack....either you have to be full no instruments or all in for instruments....half and half just seems like bogus....
 
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I don't think you have to sing acapella to be a Christian....its just being legalistic....David played the harp is he in hell? no....

Just because the Bible does not say in the NT about using instruments doesn't make it a sin.....I used to go to a church of christ school and honestly found it a bit hypocritical that when you worship God you don't use instrument but listen to Christian music like chris tomlin who uses instruments in his worship songs....again not trying to offend but I found that just whack....either you have to be full no instruments or all in for instruments....half and half just seems like bogus....
I think all instruments are wrong (involving glorifying God or worship) ... And if it isn't in scripture it is sin
 
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Ultimatum77

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I think all instruments are wrong (involving glorifying God or worship) ... And if it isn't in scripture it is sin
but tylenol isn't in scripture yet you use it for headaches....that doesn't make you a sinner.....see my point?
 
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but tylenol isn't in scripture yet you use it for headaches....that doesn't make you a sinner.....see my point?
When we have instructions and you want to add without scripture it is sin
 
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Ultimatum77

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When we have instructions and you want to add without scripture it is sin
Okay, here is my opinion....instruments are like knives both are types of tools that you use for various purposes for instance a knife can be used to chop vegetables or it can be used to kill someone...does that make the knife sinful? no....it depends on the purpose you use it for....same thing with instruments they are not inherently evil but can be used to worship either God or satan. They are inanimate objects that aren't inherently sinful but can be used by humans for sinful purposes like worshipping the devil.

The Bible would explicitly say don't use instruments then I could understand but the OT is full of examples of instrument use....miriam with timbrel, david with harp, solomon using instruments to dedicate the temple......I think its just being made a big deal out of nothing imo...

However you are entitled to your opinion which I respect, and am not trying to change that, just explaining my viewpoint! :)
 
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Okay, here is my opinion....instruments are like knives both are types of tools that you use for various purposes for instance a knife can be used to chop vegetables or it can be used to kill someone...does that make the knife sinful? no....it depends on the purpose you use it for....same thing with instruments they are not inherently evil but can be used to worship either God or satan. They are inanimate objects that aren't inherently sinful but can be used by humans for sinful purposes like worshipping the devil.

The Bible would explicitly say don't use instruments then I could understand but the OT is full of examples of instrument use....miriam with timbrel, david with harp, solomon using instruments to dedicate the temple......I think its just being made a big deal out of nothing imo...

However you are entitled to your opinion which I respect, and am not trying to change that, just explaining my viewpoint! :)
Yes but if in worship we were told to chop vegetables with a plastic knife and we chose to do it with a metal knife it would be sin .... God tells us to make music to him in song (plastic knife) but if we do it with instruments (metal knife) it is sin .... Instruments are not to be used in praise of either God or Satan because it is not authorized ..... The Old Testament is not what we are under, it pleased God back then but so did sacrifices and burning incense but we don't do that? Why not, we have examples? Because we aren't told to, that's the whole point.