Our mortal enemy has deceived the church with many lies!

[Grace777x70]

you are doing a great job, man you have so much patience, but as for me, i'm done talking to these 2 clowns, who have no idea who Jesus really is, and what he can to this planet to do through his death, burial, and resurrection. they continue to point to other things, this is where their hearts are. sad.

Thank you for your encouragement.

They are not bad people - just deceived when it comes to the New Covenant but the saints need to see what is really being said here so that they can be warned against this religion -as well as this humanistic philosophy that is trying to be spread by some others.

These 2 groups are trying to "obtain and maintain" their own righteousness as Paul talks about in Rom. 10. They have the same religion at it's core and it's belief system is anti-Christ.

Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge
.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

As Paul said - we do not stand for this even for one hour so that the truth would remain.

Galatians 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

 

[PeterJens]

you are doing a great job, man you have so much patience, but as for me, i'm done talking to these 2 clowns, who have no idea who Jesus really is, and what he can to this planet to do through his death, burial, and resurrection. they continue to point to other things, this is where their hearts are. sad.

gb9 - The problem with your position, is though you point to Christ you devalue
people and their role, making them merely passive participants which is the mirror
image of what you hate, works salvation. The error is the same, because it says
the believe achieves nothing and is worth nothing, rather than the believer is everything
and what He does justifies himself.

I understand this polarisation because after decades of legalistic thinking, switching sides
gives the impression to yourself you are right, rather than just becoming lawless, which is
a equally evil as living by the letter of the law and not its intent.

But thankyou for educating us on the intracies of your heresy and error so we can bring
light in the darkness and share the good news of Jesus's love of us to calls us brothers
and not servants, Amen

 

[Grace777x70]

How do you carry your cross daily?

Simple - I acknowledge that I have died on the cross with Christ and that my life is hidden with Him in God.

Galatians 2:20-21 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

I have no life other then the Life of Christ that is in me - and I have been raised to newness of life now and it is only found in Him - not in religious systems.

Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

 

[Talishi]

It's so sad. I feel like Noah, he tried to persuade them, but they would not budge.

Genesis 6 and 7 outline God's command to build the ark, and Noah building it. At no point does it say Noah tried to persuade the people to build their own ark or help build his ark. The idea that he did is entirely an invention of men.

 

[Grace777x70]

Anyway I am off to the Farmer's Market now...ya'll have a great day!...keep defending the faith of the gospel of the grace of Christ.

Sometimes religious people think that they are "defending the faith" but in reality they are "defending their traditions".

 

[gb9]

gb9 - The problem with your position, is though you point to Christ you devalue
people and their role, making them merely passive participants which is the mirror
image of what you hate, works salvation. The error is the same, because it says
the believe achieves nothing and is worth nothing, rather than the believer is everything
and what He does justifies himself.

I understand this polarisation because after decades of legalistic thinking, switching sides
gives the impression to yourself you are right, rather than just becoming lawless, which is
a equally evil as living by the letter of the law and not its intent.

But thankyou for educating us on the intracies of your heresy and error so we can bring
light in the darkness and share the good news of Jesus's love of us to calls us brothers
and not servants, Amen

saying that we are saved and justified by Christ, which you know, is just what the Bible says, if that matters to you, is heresy. yep, as I said, no need to talk to these guys...... nothing good comes out of it.

wrong as usual peter, wrong as usual. i'm out, have a good day telling yourself what a good, holy . righteous person you are.

 

[PeterJens]

These "conclusions" are from your own construct in your mind. I have said it from the beginning I first met you on CC. You take something someone says - you "construct" what you think they are saying and then make a whole new meaning out of it. Then this thought seizes your mind until "it becomes real" to you in your own thinking.

The problem you have grace777 is you think your way of thinking defines what you
are. But ideas live in a world of connections and logic which build to a conclusion.

What confuses things further is as humans we are driven by emotional insights and
connections outside logic. It means a man who claims to know Christ condemns law,
from a King who delivered the most worked out set of laws and behaviour that has
ever been developed.

In Moses's law we have all the perversions done in society and condemned.
Food regulations, fungus and mold dealing, leprosy, sacrifice regulations, layers of
ways of dealing with rape, murder, theft. It is a fantastic and intricate design.

The year of jubilee, the festivals, the sabbath. These are all things that work today
from something written 3,400 years ago, by a man who went up a mountain and spoke
to the creator.

Now I am a simple man, who just wants to take it in and learn from my King. I am staggard
by Him, His wisdom and plans. Man compared to Him is like a blade of grass.

But I think this is His painting, His sign, Look at your God, it is all here, wow...
AND Jesus is the fulfillment of it all, the cornerstone of this testimony.

But you Grace777 want to rip it all up, and bin it. Its your choice my friend,
but I just stand in awe of His work, and you will just be a wisp in history,
gone, no more, not remember or thought about.

 

[disciplemike]

Genesis 6 and 7 outline God's command to build the ark, and Noah building it. At no point does it say Noah tried to persuade the people to build their own ark or help build his ark. The idea that he did is entirely an invention of men.

The apostle Peter calls Noah a "preacher of righteousness". He had to be preaching to people, I guess.

 

[disciplemike]

oh there are people here who share their views. but there are a few people who attack if you don't agree with them.
If you don't amen everything they say, and hit the "like" button, then it must mean you are not "saved" and you don't know "jesus".

furthermore, these attackers don't mind using a few lies, if it helps to further their popularity.

 

[Grace777x70]

I will leave us with a quote from the "Major" - the religious humanistic mindset fumes at the quotes of Ian Thomas because it exposes their mindset and religion for what it really is.

Quote:

Most people have never discovered the difference between religion and Jesus - so consequently there are those who sincerely try to live a life they do not have ( really it's that they don't know about it ) substituting religion for God, substituting Christianity for Christ and substituting their own noble endeavors for the energy, joy and power of the Holy Spirit.

In the absence of reality, they can only grasp at rituals, stubbornly defending the latter in the absence of the former, lest they be found with neither.

Major Ian Thomas

Unquote:

 

[disciplemike]

Most people have never discovered the difference between religion and Jesus

some people think if you seek to obey God, then it is "religion".
don't question their xmas or easter.

 

[PeterJens]

It's so sad. I feel like Noah, he tried to persuade them, but they would not budge.

For me these people do not understand Mary who washed Jesus's feet with her tears, and
dried them with her hair.

The idea of heart passion, of being emotionally and totally in debt to Christ and to honour
Him is our hearts desire passes them by. They have this religion view, and that is all they
see.

I have been taught by Christ to not see the religion but see the heart. It is why when I
shared from the heart, they do not hear, and only my doctrine or limited insight into theology
causes them problems rather than being encouraged by my passion.

Jesus spoke to the pharisees and was very open with Nicodemus. Paul likewise appealed to
peoples hearts and commitment which meant their actions and theology should follow.

These people work the other way and so go off into their heresies. And so it has always been.
And it is also why they are so impervious to our appeals or sharing. They are simply hard hearted.
And some will never come round, so closed off in their lives they live. But we are simply called to
love and share, to be light, not to force anything on anyone.

 

[Talishi]

The apostle Peter calls Noah a "preacher of righteousness". He had to be preaching to people, I guess.

Oh, thanks, I was not aware of that passage.

 

[OneFaith]

Simple - I acknowledge that I have died on the cross with Christ and that my life is hidden with Him in God.

Galatians 2:20-21 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

I have no life other then the Life of Christ that is in me - and I have been raised to newness of life now and it is only found in Him - not in religious systems.

Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

ok, so if you died with Christ that means you died to sin, not to live in it any longer (Romans6). And it is not a one time thing, for Jesus says to take up your cross daily and follow Him. Ok so to turn sin down everyday, what sins are being turned down? To disobey God would be a sin, so for example, if your enemy is hungry you must feed him (ut-oh that's a work). Also the bible lists certain sins- adultery, murder, homosexuality, drunkenness, etc. Also it says "He who knows the good he ought to do yet chooses not to do it, sins." So let me ask you, do you put any effort into not sinning?

 

[notuptome]

does this mean that Abraham didn't know the law?
The book of Jasher says that Abram went and lived with Noah and Shem for 39 years and studied God's instructions.
Even Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals.
for what it's worth.

So says you.

If we have unclean animals to day where did they come from? Did God put unclean animals on the Ark?

Abraham believed God and it was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. Belief not works is why Abraham as accounted righteous by God.

You go ahead and convince yourself that righteousness comes through the law for that is what the Jews did but God said it comes through belief.

It should be noted that all the great patriarchs of the faith failed miserably in their obedience to God multiple occasions.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[OneFaith]

For me these people do not understand Mary who washed Jesus's feet with her tears, and
dried them with her hair.

The idea of heart passion, of being emotionally and totally in debt to Christ and to honour
Him is our hearts desire passes them by. They have this religion view, and that is all they
see.

I have been taught by Christ to not see the religion but see the heart. It is why when I
shared from the heart, they do not hear, and only my doctrine or limited insight into theology
causes them problems rather than being encouraged by my passion.

Jesus spoke to the pharisees and was very open with Nicodemus. Paul likewise appealed to
peoples hearts and commitment which meant their actions and theology should follow.

These people work the other way and so go off into their heresies. And so it has always been.
And it is also why they are so impervious to our appeals or sharing. They are simply hard hearted.
And some will never come round, so closed off in their lives they live. But we are simply called to
love and share, to be light, not to force anything on anyone.

Yes, the whole point of the bible is to train our hearts to be as they should be. Like Jesus said, love fulfills the law. Cause if you truly love God and your neighbor no one has to tell you not to murder them or steal from them. The woman who washed Jesus' feet was all heart. She did not have the attitude "Oh well Jesus did everything so I don't need to do anything."

I am highly encouraged to see that I'm not the only one who sees this.

 

[PeterJens]

How can you tell when someone is just religious?

All their language is only in biblical terms, because their thinking uses a framework of
words that works at some level, but they really do not understand the ideas or realities
behind it.

In part this is all of us, but as we dwell on Christs words they become life and love.

I realise as I write how I form the words is much greater than the words when I read them.
So it takes time to see the context and flow of the heart that forms them.

So to know Christ is to dwell on His eternal words. So many things miss-said on cc would
simply not happen if this was so.

One person typed that Peter had been demon inspired to utter Christ was the Son of God.

Now firstly it was an odd idea and secondly Jesus said God himself gave Peter that revelation.

Now I have been a follower of Jesus for decades, but a mistake like this is so juvenile, it shows
how little these things are taken seriously.

Now people will say, oh yes I will be risen from the dead, but listen to Jesus, what did he say?

We are called to die for each other. There is no deeper commitment than this, yet people
demonstrate how lightly they hold Jesus's intent and words.

How many would loan money to their brothers and sisters, but die for them, oh no problem
there. Now this is what I call religion, when the words trip so easily, but the heart and reality
are far from the meaning.

 

[OneFaith]

"Religion" is not a filthy word. I guess with all the false religions out there it can be. But God says the religion He accepts is to look after widows and orphans in their distress. True religion is not bad.

 

[FreeNChrist]

"Religion" is not a filthy word.

Yes it is. God hates religion.

 

[Talishi]

"Religion" is not a filthy word. I guess with all the false religions out there it can be. But God says the religion He accepts is to look after widows and orphans in their distress. True religion is not bad.

Many have quarreled about religion that never practiced it - B. Franklin