Romans 8:1-2, is conditional
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You are discussing Paul through whom Christ revealed the deep truth of the things of GOD BY HIS SPIRIT?
is there something that was left out in these teachings of those apostles that now needs to be added to THE FOUNDATION?
there are no more prophets today. GOD has given us all that we need to know HIM by. Nothing was left out or overlooked and no man will add to the story of our salvation and any man who does makes manifest that he is a false prophet not sent by GOD
THE YESTIMONY OF JESUS IS SUFFICIENT and today there are witnesses who hold to THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS
is there something that was left out in these teachings of those apostles that now needs to be added to THE FOUNDATION?
there are no more prophets today. GOD has given us all that we need to know HIM by. Nothing was left out or overlooked and no man will add to the story of our salvation and any man who does makes manifest that he is a false prophet not sent by GOD
THE YESTIMONY OF JESUS IS SUFFICIENT and today there are witnesses who hold to THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS
I and others have said 'what' your misrepresentations are many times, PeterJens. You simply ignore us. Why waste the time now? Anyone reading through the thread can see where and how you do it.
18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (from Jn. 3)
The above verse shows how you misrepresent the Gospel. Those who believe in Christ are not judged.
I don't move people anywhere. Folks are not moved from the saved column to the unsaved column. Doesn't happen.
Fruit will happen if one is saved. The difference between what you preach and what I preach is that you preach that the believer will produce fruits proving they're saved. I preach that the believer bears fruit that God produces. And God is much more patient with folks that you are. I choose to trust Him.
We are not close in what we believe. You believe God judges believers. Scripture and I disagree with you.
Your error speaks for itself, no need to twist what is an already twisted belief.
Such an effort is made about these points because you teach that God judges believers and kills His children. And then you say we 'are set free from judgement and condemnation'? Double minded, you are, PeterJens.
Hyper Grace preachers don't blame folks, they point folks to Christ and His Work. The rest of what you wrote there is fiction.
You preach contrary to the Scriptures. That is a problem.
Lovely. Three taken out-of-context verses to round out your post. Putting a mixture of judgement and grace out there as if each applies to the believer.
-JGIG
18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (from Jn. 3)
The above verse shows how you misrepresent the Gospel. Those who believe in Christ are not judged.
I don't move people anywhere. Folks are not moved from the saved column to the unsaved column. Doesn't happen.
Fruit will happen if one is saved. The difference between what you preach and what I preach is that you preach that the believer will produce fruits proving they're saved. I preach that the believer bears fruit that God produces. And God is much more patient with folks that you are. I choose to trust Him.
We are not close in what we believe. You believe God judges believers. Scripture and I disagree with you.
Your error speaks for itself, no need to twist what is an already twisted belief.
Such an effort is made about these points because you teach that God judges believers and kills His children. And then you say we 'are set free from judgement and condemnation'? Double minded, you are, PeterJens.
Hyper Grace preachers don't blame folks, they point folks to Christ and His Work. The rest of what you wrote there is fiction.
You preach contrary to the Scriptures. That is a problem.
Lovely. Three taken out-of-context verses to round out your post. Putting a mixture of judgement and grace out there as if each applies to the believer.
-JGIG
7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. (from 1 Jn. 5)
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. (from 1 Jn. 5)
-JGIG
Observation
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Phil 2:12
Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our “God is a consuming fire.”
Heb 12:28
Arrogance is the spirit I am hearing.
There are many types of judgement. Judging salvation, and judging righteousness.
I am a simple man who wishes to not presume before the Lord.
So the group I see here condemns fear as sin.
They condemn testing ones own walk as the work of satan.
They approve all the teaching that encourages presumption over righteous behaviour.
They disappropriate all the words of Christ except the promises which they take to heart.
It is because their faith is the lenses and not Jesus.
Now if you knew what hypocracy really is, when the heart is evil but the show is good,
the rot and death that follows such as these, you would understand why Jesus says your
righteousness has to be better than the hypocracy of the pharisees etc.
The fact that this group do not understand this simple spiritual reality is judgement on them
and the hyprocracy that is in their midst.
Now what I am saying is the milk of the gospel, nothing more. It is the foundation of what
sin is and what righteousness is, yet even here they cannot get it right.
Being in Christ Jesus is all about a pure heart, honesty, openness, love, walking as a child
of the Living God, in humbleness and meekness, with fear and respect for God and His work.
We are sinners saved by grace, but this is something else and a bitterness about past beliefs
that runs like bile through their interactions.
And what is the response to my questioning the blasphemy and arrogance of the approach?
I am a mocker, an enemy of God, the worst their can be.
Proverbs is right, mockers hate rebukes, do not listen to wise counsel, and set upon those
who raise warnings from the Lord. Beware people such as these.
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Phil 2:12
Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our “God is a consuming fire.”
Heb 12:28
Arrogance is the spirit I am hearing.
There are many types of judgement. Judging salvation, and judging righteousness.
I am a simple man who wishes to not presume before the Lord.
So the group I see here condemns fear as sin.
They condemn testing ones own walk as the work of satan.
They approve all the teaching that encourages presumption over righteous behaviour.
They disappropriate all the words of Christ except the promises which they take to heart.
It is because their faith is the lenses and not Jesus.
Now if you knew what hypocracy really is, when the heart is evil but the show is good,
the rot and death that follows such as these, you would understand why Jesus says your
righteousness has to be better than the hypocracy of the pharisees etc.
The fact that this group do not understand this simple spiritual reality is judgement on them
and the hyprocracy that is in their midst.
Now what I am saying is the milk of the gospel, nothing more. It is the foundation of what
sin is and what righteousness is, yet even here they cannot get it right.
Being in Christ Jesus is all about a pure heart, honesty, openness, love, walking as a child
of the Living God, in humbleness and meekness, with fear and respect for God and His work.
We are sinners saved by grace, but this is something else and a bitterness about past beliefs
that runs like bile through their interactions.
And what is the response to my questioning the blasphemy and arrogance of the approach?
I am a mocker, an enemy of God, the worst their can be.
Proverbs is right, mockers hate rebukes, do not listen to wise counsel, and set upon those
who raise warnings from the Lord. Beware people such as these.
I wish I was as powerful as you claim. You know I am a voice calling out from the Lord.
It is not the voice that carries power but the meaning behind it.
The power is in the truth and light it brings and the things it shows up.
It is this light that unravels the lies and deep flaws in your theology and approach.
You cannot stop or change the will of the Father or His people.
So I praise my God and King that I can be a vessel of His glorious truth and victory
through the cross. Now though I am just one person, in 2016, with limited knowledge
and insight, the truths we are talking about here are eternal and are Gods will.
Far be it from me but to testify to my God and King and His word. This is so much more
than this small conversation here on cc. You should fear claiming so much authority against
such a Lord as He. His grace is beyond our understanding, but His judgement is just and true
and before His throne we all answer, each day, but with Christs glorious love, if you walk with
Him.
It is not the voice that carries power but the meaning behind it.
The power is in the truth and light it brings and the things it shows up.
It is this light that unravels the lies and deep flaws in your theology and approach.
You cannot stop or change the will of the Father or His people.
So I praise my God and King that I can be a vessel of His glorious truth and victory
through the cross. Now though I am just one person, in 2016, with limited knowledge
and insight, the truths we are talking about here are eternal and are Gods will.
Far be it from me but to testify to my God and King and His word. This is so much more
than this small conversation here on cc. You should fear claiming so much authority against
such a Lord as He. His grace is beyond our understanding, but His judgement is just and true
and before His throne we all answer, each day, but with Christs glorious love, if you walk with
Him.
This is such a "I do not talk to people" type comment.
One of the big issues pastors, counsellors, people of faith have, is how do you
counsel someone who does not know they are saved or not or feel dead, or God
is not speaking to them?
If everyone who came to church felt a conviction of being in Christ and all those not
left the church, the church would be very empty.
A common experience is people of faith feel abandoned by God for years.
Some have described this almost as atheism.
But then those who are hyper-religious probably never talk to normal people
who live normal simple lives.
Now my experience is feeling the presence of God when I write now for instance,
and when I am in praise of my King, and when I share.
I try to focus on the Lord in everything I do, and years and years ago made sure
wherever I go, I try and commit it to the Lord. This is bringing ones awareness of
the Lord and the cross into every area of your life. It is amazing how it changes you
and how you interact with others.
But few are aware of this or even practice it in their lives, as the comment from EG
illustrates. So many claim such spiritual authority and insight, but in actually walking
so blind.
This is why I wonder at those who think theological points matter over practising
the presence of the Lord in your heart.
One of the big issues pastors, counsellors, people of faith have, is how do you
counsel someone who does not know they are saved or not or feel dead, or God
is not speaking to them?
If everyone who came to church felt a conviction of being in Christ and all those not
left the church, the church would be very empty.
A common experience is people of faith feel abandoned by God for years.
Some have described this almost as atheism.
But then those who are hyper-religious probably never talk to normal people
who live normal simple lives.
Now my experience is feeling the presence of God when I write now for instance,
and when I am in praise of my King, and when I share.
I try to focus on the Lord in everything I do, and years and years ago made sure
wherever I go, I try and commit it to the Lord. This is bringing ones awareness of
the Lord and the cross into every area of your life. It is amazing how it changes you
and how you interact with others.
But few are aware of this or even practice it in their lives, as the comment from EG
illustrates. So many claim such spiritual authority and insight, but in actually walking
so blind.
This is why I wonder at those who think theological points matter over practising
the presence of the Lord in your heart.
What does JGIG do for me?
Condemnation without foundation.
You will find people of conviction once they get the idea in their heads you are "evil" etc
nothing will shift it. It is because it does not have a foundation in reality, it is just a
series of interactions that creates an effect.
This is the basis of deception and manipulators. Issues of fact become irrelevant, just
a growing tension against the enemy, whoever they are pictured as.
Now love sees the best in people, and believes they are honest and sincere, with good
intentions and a clean heart. That is what it means to be a dove.
So please learn how to love and see sin where sin exists, but avoid letting emotions lead
but let emotions respond to reality and the facts of who people are.
If you love Jesus and walk in faith, then amen, brother and sister. That is enough for me
to know.
Liars will always point to something they cannot describe, and accuse of guilt, because this
is slander, and sin, creating emotion and antagonism based on a feeling alone.
In the body such behaviour is not acceptable.
Condemnation without foundation.
You will find people of conviction once they get the idea in their heads you are "evil" etc
nothing will shift it. It is because it does not have a foundation in reality, it is just a
series of interactions that creates an effect.
This is the basis of deception and manipulators. Issues of fact become irrelevant, just
a growing tension against the enemy, whoever they are pictured as.
Now love sees the best in people, and believes they are honest and sincere, with good
intentions and a clean heart. That is what it means to be a dove.
So please learn how to love and see sin where sin exists, but avoid letting emotions lead
but let emotions respond to reality and the facts of who people are.
If you love Jesus and walk in faith, then amen, brother and sister. That is enough for me
to know.
Liars will always point to something they cannot describe, and accuse of guilt, because this
is slander, and sin, creating emotion and antagonism based on a feeling alone.
In the body such behaviour is not acceptable.
no peter, I have not fallen for any lies. here is truth- we are saved by grace through faith for good works. and I would never claim to " speak for the Lord ". that is what the Bible does.
believe me peter, we do not speak against God. we will speak against you as long as false teach. so stop false teaching.
believe me peter, we do not speak against God. we will speak against you as long as false teach. so stop false teaching.
When a preacher stands up to share, he by faith is speaking from the Lord.
When a christian shares their testimony they are sharing the word of the Lord in their lives.
We are in the Kingdom. We are Gods ambassadors.
And again you talk about false teaching, but are not specifying it.
That is just slander and lying. You can correct me about real things, but not your
interpretation of scripture, or a doctrine of man created from the word.
This is how we distinguish truth from falsehood.
And if you do not claim to speak for the Lord, then you only speak for yourself that means
nothing. But as long as you agree you are only expressing you own ideas, I will stick with
the Lords word.
When a christian shares their testimony they are sharing the word of the Lord in their lives.
We are in the Kingdom. We are Gods ambassadors.
And again you talk about false teaching, but are not specifying it.
That is just slander and lying. You can correct me about real things, but not your
interpretation of scripture, or a doctrine of man created from the word.
This is how we distinguish truth from falsehood.
And if you do not claim to speak for the Lord, then you only speak for yourself that means
nothing. But as long as you agree you are only expressing you own ideas, I will stick with
the Lords word.