If Rome Is Still Here...

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Very strange situation here, if Rome is still here which it is, without question or speculation (in my view). Why aren't the Romans after the "Jewish" people today? The reason why I say Rome is without question still here and in supreme rule is because of basic knowledge. Just Google "Treaty of ROME", "ROMAN Catholic Church", "Club of ROME" these powers have supreme rule over the earth, their riches is beyond any other. Why are not these extremely powerful Romans after the "Jewish" people? The Romans were extreme enemies to Israel, so what happened? I believe I know for sure what actually is going on, but I would like to hear you guys views. I believe the Romans today as they did before, would be persecuting and hating the Jews as they did in times past. What made the Romans have a change of heart?
 

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Very strange situation here, if Rome is still here which it is, without question or speculation (in my view). Why aren't the Romans after the "Jewish" people today? The reason why I say Rome is without question still here and in supreme rule is because of basic knowledge. Just Google "Treaty of ROME", "ROMAN Catholic Church", "Club of ROME" these powers have supreme rule over the earth, their riches is beyond any other. Why are not these extremely powerful Romans after the "Jewish" people? The Romans were extreme enemies to Israel, so what happened? I believe I know for sure what actually is going on, but I would like to hear you guys views. I believe the Romans today as they did before, would be persecuting and hating the Jews as they did in times past. What made the Romans have a change of heart?
There is a lot of anti- Semitic feeling world over, not just in Rome.
 

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Very strange situation here, if Rome is still here which it is, without question or speculation (in my view). Why aren't the Romans after the "Jewish" people today? The reason why I say Rome is without question still here and in supreme rule is because of basic knowledge. Just Google "Treaty of ROME", "ROMAN Catholic Church", "Club of ROME" these powers have supreme rule over the earth, their riches is beyond any other. Why are not these extremely powerful Romans after the "Jewish" people? The Romans were extreme enemies to Israel, so what happened? I believe I know for sure what actually is going on, but I would like to hear you guys views. I believe the Romans today as they did before, would be persecuting and hating the Jews as they did in times past. What made the Romans have a change of heart?
Are the religious Jews or Jews in general of today the custodians of the Finished word of God or is their religion just another path leading to eternal destruction???

The worldly are inspired by spirits but not by the Holy Spirit.. therefore it would not be surprising that the spirits guiding all those who are being lead to eternal destruction to co-operate and act together to continue on the program leading them all and in future more children of disobedience to deception and destruction..

Ephesians 2:KJV
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Be assured everyone is guided either by the Holy Spirit or another spirit..
 

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Very strange situation here, if Rome is still here which it is, without question or speculation (in my view). Why aren't the Romans after the "Jewish" people today? The reason why I say Rome is without question still here and in supreme rule is because of basic knowledge. Just Google "Treaty of ROME", "ROMAN Catholic Church", "Club of ROME" these powers have supreme rule over the earth, their riches is beyond any other. Why are not these extremely powerful Romans after the "Jewish" people? The Romans were extreme enemies to Israel, so what happened? I believe I know for sure what actually is going on, but I would like to hear you guys views. I believe the Romans today as they did before, would be persecuting and hating the Jews as they did in times past. What made the Romans have a change of heart?
Hello Risistlies,

Rome didn't have a change of heart, they lost their power to back up their authority. And it wasn't only Israel that they were and will be after. In times past, Rome with her counterfeit religious system, controlled kings and their armies having the threat of anathema and ex-communication. They were the power and cause behind the inquisitions. However, when that antichrist comes, he will provide the power of the popes seat and the RCC. According to RCC dogma, the office of the pope has always been that all people must come under his authority and belong to the RCC. Anyone who is not, is a heretic. When that antichrist comes, he will provide the power that she needs to assert her authority.

In addition, I believe that one of the future popes will play the part of the false prophet. By doing so and since he will be performing those miracles, signs and wonders in support of the first beast, the antichrist, he will be instrumental in leading those devout within the RCC to worship the antichrist/beast and to receive his mark. His performing of those miracles, signs and wonders will also pull all of the rest of those so-called Christian sects into the fold of the RCC. After all, if your beloved leader is performing those things, then it must be through the power of God, right? Wrong! They will be satanic, counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders which will be done for the sole purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the earth.
 
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Hello Risistlies,

Rome didn't have a change of heart, they lost their power to back up their authority. And it wasn't only Israel that they were and will be after. In times past, Rome with her counterfeit religious system, controlled kings and their armies having the threat of anathema and ex-communication. They were the power and cause behind the inquisitions. However, when that antichrist comes, he will provide the power of the popes seat and the RCC. According to RCC dogma, the office of the pope has always been that all people must come under his authority and belong to the RCC. Anyone who is not, is a heretic. When that antichrist comes, he will provide the power that she needs to assert her authority.

In addition, I believe that one of the future popes will play the part of the false prophet. By doing so and since he will be performing those miracles, signs and wonders in support of the first beast, the antichrist, he will be instrumental in leading those devout within the RCC to worship the antichrist/beast and to receive his mark. His performing of those miracles, signs and wonders will also pull all of the rest of those so-called Christian sects into the fold of the RCC. After all, if your beloved leader is performing those things, then it must be through the power of God, right? Wrong! They will be satanic, counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders which will be done for the sole purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the earth.
Thanks for your response, but I know exactly as to why this is, but then again. I only made the post to see others mindsets. But I will just tell you this, Rome has full power as of now and did for quite some time, their power did not leave. But now it is leaving, since the Messiah is returning. But Rome for quite a while now has been persecuting the children of Israel, such as putting them in slavery just in the past few hundred years, gunning them down for no reason in the streets, worse living conditions. I am not going to out right tell you all what the truth is, I will give bits and pieces so that others may use their mind and scriptures to figure it out. Also the problem with your post is that you are separating the Roman catholic church from the "other" sectors of Rome, when God sees them all as one. They have been long ago performing lies and wonders.
 

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Very strange situation here, if Rome is still here which it is, without question or speculation (in my view). Why aren't the Romans after the "Jewish" people today? The reason why I say Rome is without question still here and in supreme rule is because of basic knowledge. Just Google "Treaty of ROME", "ROMAN Catholic Church", "Club of ROME" these powers have supreme rule over the earth, their riches is beyond any other. Why are not these extremely powerful Romans after the "Jewish" people? The Romans were extreme enemies to Israel, so what happened? I believe I know for sure what actually is going on, but I would like to hear you guys views. I believe the Romans today as they did before, would be persecuting and hating the Jews as they did in times past. What made the Romans have a change of heart?
There are a few issues in your post, all seemingly based in a skewed understanding of history. To wit...
- Israel was a conquered land, and though the Jews considered the Romans their enemy, the Romans considered the Jews their subjects.
- Romans did not understand the beliefs of the Jews; they were different from the emperor worship and polytheism of Rome.
- The Romans did not "persecute" the Jews, but they did crush them after they continually stirred up trouble and finally rebelled.
- I would also suggest that the linkage between the Roman empire and the Roman Catholic church is thinner than you think. The empire was well into its waning years when the church was coming to power.

I also would not agree that "Rome" in any sense is in a position of supreme power. That belongs to Jesus Christ, and always has. Anti-semitism is no exclusive province of Roman entities. The prince of this world may operate through Rome but he also operates through Russia, North Korea, Britain, and the USA, and every other country, to the degree that they do not submit to Christ.
 

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Thanks for your response, but I know exactly as to why this is, but then again. I only made the post to see others mindsets. But I will just tell you this, Rome has full power as of now and did for quite some time, their power did not leave. But now it is leaving, since the Messiah is returning. But Rome for quite a while now has been persecuting the children of Israel, such as putting them in slavery just in the past few hundred years, gunning them down for no reason in the streets, worse living conditions. I am not going to out right tell you all what the truth is, I will give bits and pieces so that others may use their mind and scriptures to figure it out. Also the problem with your post is that you are separating the Roman catholic church from the "other" sectors of Rome, when God sees them all as one. They have been long ago performing lies and wonders.
This is false! If the pope and the RCC currently had the power that they once had, we would all be either Roman Catholics, imprisoned or dead. The answer I gave you was not off the cuff of my sleeve, but is what is going to happen according to scripture. The Roman Catholic Church is going to be that last day religious system that the antichrist/beast will use for his purposes. She was the legs of iron and that last day kingdom will be that ten-toed kingdom mixed with iron and clay, which will be an extension of Rome, but not having the same power, ergo, the baked clay. And anyone and everyone who will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark will be an enemy of the beast and the false prophet and that last day religious system.
 

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There are a few issues in your post, all seemingly based in a skewed understanding of history. To wit...
- Israel was a conquered land, and though the Jews considered the Romans their enemy, the Romans considered the Jews their subjects.
- Romans did not understand the beliefs of the Jews; they were different from the emperor worship and polytheism of Rome.
- The Romans did not "persecute" the Jews, but they did crush them after they continually stirred up trouble and finally rebelled.
- I would also suggest that the linkage between the Roman empire and the Roman Catholic church is thinner than you think. The empire was well into its waning years when the church was coming to power.

I also would not agree that "Rome" in any sense is in a position of supreme power. That belongs to Jesus Christ, and always has. Anti-semitism is no exclusive province of Roman entities. The prince of this world may operate through Rome but he also operates through Russia, North Korea, Britain, and the USA, and every other country, to the degree that they do not submit to Christ.
As I understand the History the Romans were originally invited into Judea by the ruling Hasmoneans to prevent the Parthians (Persians) from conquering the country.
 

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Daniel 2 a vision of a great image representing four successive kingdoms.
History proves these to be the Chaldean Empire, followed by the Persian,
then the Greco-Macedonian, and finally the Roman Empire.

1 head of gold. Chaldean Empire. (626 BC-539 b.c)
Neo-Babylonian Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Babylonian_Empire

2 breast and arms of silver Medo-Persian Empire (550-330 b.c.)
Achaemenid Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire

3 belly and thighs of brass greco-macedonia-Alexander the Great (336-323 b.c.)
Alexander the Great https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great

4 the two legs of iron roman empire-capitals Rome and Constantinople.(31 b.c.-a.d. 476)
Roman Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire-


These four were to continue right up to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Daniel 7, the prophet describes four beasts, representing four Gentile kingdoms,
but with special attention on the fourth—the Roman Empire.

This beast has 10 horns, which says “are ten kings that shall arise”
out of, or after, the Roman Empire (verse 24).

Daniel also describes a “little horn” which grew among the 10 horns
and uprooted the first three (verse 8).

The meaning of this prophecy is made plain in the book of Revelation.

in Revelation 13 discusses one beast—which represents the fourth, the Roman Empire.
John lived during the rule of the Roman Empire when he wrote the book of Revelation,
he had little to say about the three previous kingdoms. They were already fulfilled prophecy!

a beast with seven heads and 10 horns, one head of which received a deadly wound.

Historians agree that the Roman Empire existed from 31 b.c. to a.d. 476,
at which point the kingdom was crushed. It died. But its deadly wound was
healed as prophesied.

to be 10 resurrections to come out of that Roman Empire (just as Daniel said),
the first three of which were plucked up by the roots by the “little horn”

—suggesting that they were not altogether Roman, but nevertheless ruled within
the ancient Roman territory after the empire collapsed. And that’s what happened.

(first 3 horns)The three horns picture three governments
(the Heruli, the Vandals and the Ostrogoths)
and he shall subdue three kings.

Heruli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,
Vandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,
Ostrogoths - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,

they where not riden by the church, not of rome but in its territory

The VANDALS
A.D. 429-533

The HERULI,
Odoacer’s government,
A.D. 476-493

The OSTROGOTHS
A.D. 493-554

Three barbaric tribes did rule in the region before Justinian restored
the Roman Empire in a.d. 554 and effectively healed the deadly wound.

(4th horn) a “little horn”—a great false church
coming on the scene after three horns are plucked up.

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them;

The great church guided every succeeding resurrection of this Roman Empire
The last seven horns comprise a church-state relationship,

Holy Roman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the(un)holy Roman Empire, which began in a.d. 554—led by Justinian,

in Revelation 17

a beast with seven heads, but none of these heads is wounded.
a woman,the Bible symbolizes as a church, is riding the beast.
the little horn, given crown and white robe[false church]

She is called a whore in verse 1, and therefore symbolizes a great false church
which rides, or heavily influences, this political beast.

When Justinian recognized the supremacy of the pope in 554, the Roman Empire
was revived. And because of its close association with the great false church,
this empire eventually assumed the name Holy Roman Empire.

Counting Justinian’s empire, there have been six major, historically documented
resurrections of the so-called Holy Roman Empire—all of which have been heavily
influenced.

the 7 unholy roman empire unions

The last seven heads, or resurrections, were prophesied to be guided by a great church.
That is how church and state get the name “Holy” Roman Empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Emperor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_of_the_Holy_Roman_Emperor

1st resurrection of the roman empire

Justinian in 554AD. the pope recognized as the supreme religious leader and empowered him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justinian_I

Justinian the Great, was a Byzantine (East Roman) emperor from 527 to 565. During his reign,
Justinian sought to revive the empire's greatness and reconquer
the lost western half of the historical Roman Empire.

The cognomen Iustinianus which he took later is indicative of adoption by his uncle Justin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognomen

2nd resurrection - Charlemagne crowned by the pope in 800AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne

Charlemagne reached the height of his power in 800 when he was crowned "emperor"
by Pope Leo III on Christmas Day at Old St. Peter's Basilica.

Called the "Father of Europe", Charlemagne united most of Western Europe
for the first time since the Roman Empire.

3rd resurrection - Otto the Great crowned by the pope in 962AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

Otto I (23 November 912 – 7 May 973), also known as Otto the Great, was German king
from 936 and emperor of the Holy Roman Empire from 962 until his death in 973.

Following the example of Charlemagne's coronation as "Emperor of the Romans"
in 800, Otto was crowned Emperor in 962 by Pope John XII in Rome.

4th resurrection - Charles V crowned by the pope in 1520AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

5th resurrection - Napoleon crowned by the pope in 1805
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_of_Napoleon_I


6th resurrection - Hitler/Mussolini empowered by Pope Pius XII.

When Benito Mussolini became the Italian leader before World War ii,
he called his regime the Holy Roman Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

As Benito Mussolini’s grip on Italy tightened during the 1920s,
he proclaimed the Holy Roman Empire restored.

In February 1929, Mussolini signed a pact with the Vatican, making Roman Catholicism
the only recognized religion in fascist Italy.

This agreement, known as the Lateran Treaty, delighted Pope Pius xi,
who spoke of Mussolini as “a man sent by Providence.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateran_Treaty

The agreements included a political treaty which created the state of the Vatican City
and guaranteed full and independent sovereignty to the Holy See.

Mussolini commissioned the Via della Conciliazione (Road of the Conciliation),
which would symbolically link the Vatican City to the heart of Rome.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII_and_the_Holocaust
Some post-war critics have accused Pius of either being overly cautious, or of "not doing enough,"
or even of "silence" in the face of the Holocaust.
hitler/mussolini empowered by pope pius xii - Bing images
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

7th resurrection - forming in Europe now, lead by Germany
 

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the dragon[the devil] Revelation 20:2
which gave power unto the beast[a king and a kingdom]
-Revelation 13:2, Revelation 13:4

The beast in Revelation 13

In the vision he saw “a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,
and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,
and his feet were as the feet of a bear,
and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:

and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority”
(Revelation 13:1-2). For this description will help identify the beast.

In Daniel 7, we find exactly these same symbols described.
Here again are the beasts, the seven heads, the 10 horns,
and here also is the lion, the bear and the leopard.

And here the Bible tells us what these symbols represent.
God had given Daniel understanding in dreams and visions (Daniel 1:17).
And Daniel had a dream and a vision (Daniel 7:1)

in which he saw four great beasts (verse 3).
And notice, as in Revelation, the beasts came up out of [the sea].

The first was like a “lion” (verse 4),
the second was like a “bear” (verse 5),
the third like a “leopard” (verse 6),

and the fourth was so dreadful and terrible it could not be compared
to any wild beast known to inhabit the Earth! (verse 7).

-the seven "heads"

Now there was only [one head] described on the lion, [one] for the bear,
[one] for the fourth beast —but the third beast, the leopard, had [four heads]
—thus making seven heads in all!

And out of this great and dreadful fourth beast grew 10 horns!

“These great [beasts], which are four, are [four kings], which shall arise
out of the earth,” is the interpretation of verse 17.

And the word king is synonymous with kingdom, and used only in the sense
that the king represents the kingdom over which he rules, for in verse 23 we read,

“The fourth beast shall be the fourth [kingdom] upon the earth .…” Notice also
the word kingdom is used to explain the beasts in verses 18, 22, 24 and 27.

-the “horns”

“And the ten [horns] out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise .…”

Notice the 10 horns, or 10 succeeding kingdoms or governments,
come out of a kingdom, not out of a man, or a superman. these 10 horns are 10
succeeding kingdoms growing out of the fourth kingdom, which was to rule the Earth!


-Identification of the Kingdoms

These same four world-ruling Gentile kingdoms are described in the second chapter of Daniel.
King Nebuchadnezzar of the Chaldean Empire, who had taken the Jews captive, had a dream,
the meaning of which God revealed to Daniel.

The king saw a great image. Its head was of gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly
and thighs of brass, its legs of iron and its feet and toes were part iron and part clay.

Finally, a stone, not in men’s hands, but supernaturally, smote the image upon his feet and toes.
It was broken in pieces and was blown away like chaff. Then the stone that smashed it became
a great mountain and filled the whole Earth.

“This,” Daniel says, beginning verse 36, “is the dream;
and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.”


“… Thou art this head of gold. And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,
and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth
all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise” (verses 38-40).


-the stone smashing the image at its toes is found in the 44th verse:

“And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never
be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces
and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.”

The Stone is Christ and His world-ruling Kingdom. The interpretation of the stone is given many
places in the Bible. “Jesus Christ of Nazareth … is the stone which was set at nought of you
builders, which is become the head of the corner” (Acts 4:10-11).


And so we see that here are four universal world-ruling Gentile kingdoms.
They begin with the Chaldean Empire, which took the Jews captive to Babylon.


-God had promised ancient Israel to be His nation if they obeyed and faithful, they would grow
into a multitude of nations—or an empire—that would dominate the entire Earth.

But, for disobedience they would have to be taken captive by Gentile nations (Leviticus 26 and
other prophecies). Ancient Israel had been tried through the generations and centuries.

They had disobeyed. Now they had been taken captive by Nebuchadnezzar, who had raised up the
world’s first empire. But as God revealed through Daniel in chapter 2, it was God who had turned
world dominion over to this succession of Gentile empires.
 

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The Number of the ‘Beast’—666—Whose Number Is It?
Here are all the scriptures speaking directly of this number:

“And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six”
(Revelation 13:17-18).

“And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten
the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the
number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God”
(Revelation 15:2).

Note From these scriptures, we have the following definite points:

1. The beast has a number and may be identified, if we have wisdom,
by this number.

2. The number is 666.

3. We are told to count this number—that is, add it up. The same Greek word
is used elsewhere only in Luke 14:28: Count the cost.

4. This number, 666, is the number of the beast. The only Bible interpretation
of this symbol, “beast,” is a kingdom or the king who rules it and, therefore,
really is the kingdom (Daniel 7:17-18, 22-24, 27).

Therefore 666 must be the number of the kingdom, or government, or empire,
as well as that of the king who founds or rules it.

5. The expression “the name of the beast, or the number of his name” makes plain
that the number 666 is the number of the name of the kingdom or empire.

6. The expression “it is the number of a man” shows we must also count this number
in the name of the king, or ruler, over the kingdom identified as the “beast.”

The Beast Is Not the Woman [a church]

In the 17th chapter of Revelation we find a beast, and a woman—a great, wealthy
but fallen woman—who was riding the beast. The Bible describes the symbol “woman”
to mean a church (see 2?Corinthians 11:2; Revelation 19:7; Ephesians 5:22-27).

The beast of Revelation 13 is not the woman who rode the beast
—the beast is the government, and the woman is a church.

The beast of Revelation 13 is the Roman Empire!

This beast had a deadly wound (Revelation 13:3). That means the beast ceased altogether
to exist or function as it had since 31 b.c. Yet its deadly wound was later healed, after which
(verse 5) it continued to exist another 1,260 years!

The Founder of Rome

The founder and first king of Rome was Romulus.
The Roman Empire was named after him.
His name, the name of a man, also is the name of the kingdom.
And every citizen in the kingdom bears the same name—a Roman.

When John wrote this Revelation, telling us to count the number of the beast,
he wrote in the Greek language. Consequently, we should look for this name,
and the number 666, in this language recognized in the Bible, not in the Latin.

We are all familiar with the Roman numerals, where letters are used for numbers.
All understand that I is 1, v is 5, x is 10, etc. But many do not know that the Greek
language, in which the book of Revelation was written, also uses letters for numbers.

In the Greek this name was understood in the second century a.d. to have originally
been spelled Lateinos. It signifies “Latin man” or “the name of Latium,”
from which region the Romans derived their origin and their language.

This word, too, signifies “Roman.” In the Greek, l is 30, a is 1, t is 300, e is 5,
I is 10, n is 50, o is 70, s is 200. Count these figures. They count to exactly 666!

It is indeed no coincidence that the name of the kingdom, its founder and first king,
and of each man in the kingdom, counts to exactly 666!

Certainly the beast stands identified!
 
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Very strange situation here, if Rome is still here which it is, without question or speculation (in my view). Why aren't the Romans after the "Jewish" people today?
The Catholics, who do not walk by the faith of Christ are as the unbelieving Jew.(no difference) They thought they had replaced the Jew as if God was a respecter of persons in the first place. And men born of a Jewish family did not become born again by and through the incorruptible seed of God’s word, just as the Catholic, same pattern, same spirit of error.

Different fathers as a "law of the father" (law of men) were used to make the word of God without effect through the oral tradition of men. The things of men that offend those of God. .

The unbelieving Jew(no faith) had used the flesh Abraham as if he was our Father in heaven, having the faith generated from God through His living abiding word in respect to the fathers, and not the faith of Christ. Therefore blaspheming the Holy name we are called heaven ward by and through.

The Catholic simply replaced the name Abraham as there final authority with that of Peter. This is same kind of "law of the father", same false zeal for God from the same father of lies, again just using a different name to usurp the authority of God word.

They followed the same kind of law of the fathers as a false zeal For God as did the unbelieving Jews during the first century reformation. killing the christian which thy saw as an outward threat because they walked by sight after the things of this world (flesh and blood) That reformation shown in the scriptures is the pattern for all reformations to include the one in the fifteenth century, in which God restored His order of the new government of the church, found in 1 Corinthians 11.

What made the Romans have a change of heart?
All of the Roman’s hearts were not changed according to the gospel. Some believed God to the salvation of their soul and therefore were born from above. Others remained in unbelief (no faith of Christ )
 

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very strange way this [title Caesar] is handed down.

Caesar (plural Caesars; Latin: Caesar, plural: Caesares) is a title of imperial character.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(title)

The Julii Caesares were a specific branch of the gens Julia.

It derives from the cognomen of Julius Caesar, the Roman dictator.
The change from being a familial name to a title adopted by
the Roman Emperors can be dated to about AD 68/69,

The first known bearer of the name was one Sextus Julius Caesar,
praetor in 208 BC,

The first Emperor, Caesar Augustus, bore the name as a matter of course;
born Gaius Octavius adopted by Caesar in his will, and per Roman naming conventions was renamed "Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus"
his relationship with Caesar by styling himself simply "Imperator Caesar"
(whereto the Roman Senate added the honorific Augustus, "Majestic" or "Venerable," in 27 BC),

His successor as emperor, his stepson Tiberius, also bore the name as a matter of course;
born Tiberius Claudius Nero, he was adopted by Caesar Augustus on June 26, 4 AD, as "Tiberius Julius Caesar."

The precedent was set: the Emperor designated his successor by adopting him
and giving him the name "Caesar."

41 to 54AD Roman emperor Claudius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius

He adopted the name "Caesar" as a cognomen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognomen

During his reign the Empire began the conquest of Britain

The Julio-Claudian dynasty
refers to the first five Roman Emperors:
Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero,
[1] or the family to which they belonged; they ruled the Roman Empire from its formation,
in the second half of the 1st century (44/31/27) BC, until AD 68,

when the last of the line, Nero, committed suicide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio-Claudian_dynasty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Emperors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_in_ancient_Rome
None of the Julio-Claudians were succeeded by their sons;

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus
Augustus (Latin: Imperator Caesar Divi F. Augustus; 23 September 63 BC – 19 August 14 AD) was
the founder of the Roman Empire and its first Emperor, ruling from 27 BC until his death in 14 AD
He was born Gaius Octavius into an old and wealthy equestrian branch
of the plebeian Octavii family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_order
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebeian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavii

Following the assassination of his maternal great-uncle Julius Caesar in 44 BC,
Caesar's will named Octavius as his adopted son and heir

He was succeeded as Emperor by his adopted son
(also stepson and former son-in-law), Tiberius.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius

Tiberius (/ta?'b??ri?s/; Latin: Tiberius Caesar Divi Augusti filius Augustus;
16 November 42 BC – 16 March 37 AD) was Roman Emperor
from 14 AD to 37 AD. Born Tiberius Claudius Nero, a Claudian,

Tiberius was the son of Tiberius Claudius Nero and Livia Drusilla.
His mother divorced Nero and married Augustus in 39 BC, making him a step-son of Octavian.

Tiberius would later marry Augustus' daughter Julia the Elder (from his marriage to Scribonia)
and even later be adopted by Augustus, by which act he officially became a Julian,
bearing the name Tiberius Julius Caesar.

Caligula, Tiberius' grand-nephew and adopted grandson, succeeded Tiberius upon his death.

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula

"Caligula" (/k?'l?gj?l?/; Latin: Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus;
was the popular nickname of Gaius (31 August AD 12 – 22 January AD 41),
Roman emperor (AD 37–41).

Caligula's father Germanicus, the nephew and adopted son of Emperor Tiberius...

With the death of Tiberius in AD 37, Caligula succeeded his great uncle and adoptive
grandfather as Emperor.on the day of the assassination of the Emperor Caligula,
the Praetorian Guard declared Caligula's uncle, Claudius, the next Roman Emperor.

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius
Claudius (/'kl??di?s/; Classical Latin: ['klawd??s], Latin: Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus;
1 August 10 BC – 13 October 54 AD) was Roman emperor from 41 to 54.

the son of Drusus and Antonia Minor. He was born at Lugdunum in Gaul,
the first Roman Emperor to be born outside Italy.

declared Emperor by the Praetorian Guard after Caligula's assassination,
at which point he was the last man of his family.

During his reign the Empire began the conquest of Britain (if the earlier invasions of Britain
by Caesar and Caligula's aborted attempt are not counted).

After his death in 54 AD (at age of 63), his grand-nephew and adopted son Nero
succeeded him as Emperor

5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero
Nero (/'n??ro?/; Latin: Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus;
[1] 15 December 37 – 9 June 68)
[2] was Roman Emperor from 54 to 68, and the last in the Julio-Claudian dynasty.

Nero was adopted by his great-uncle Claudius to become his heir and successor,
and succeeded to the throne in 54 following Claudius' death.

Through Octavia, Nero was the great-nephew of Caesar Augustus
Nero annexed the Bosporan Kingdom to the Empire and began the First Roman–Jewish War.

In 64 AD, most of Rome was destroyed in the Great Fire of Rome,
which many Romans believed Nero himself had started , then blamed jews

He died on 9 June 68, the anniversary of the death of Octavia, and was buried
in the Mausoleum of the Domitii Ahenobarbi, in what is now
the Villa Borghese (Pincian Hill) area of Rome
 
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Be careful who you judge and point fingers at. God is watching you too. Amen.
 

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Vicar of Christ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ

a vicar is of "earthly representative of God or Christ"
person acting as parish priest in place of Christ.
like the pope now used in Catholicism to refer to the bishops,
more specifically to the Bishop of Rome .

Simon Peter Versus Simon Magus:
Who Was The Real First Pope

The whole population of Samaria gave earnest heed to Simon.
All those in Samaria, from the least to the greatest, believed him!

In fact, the people worshiped him as the “great power of God.”
They believed he was God in the flesh.

This man is known in secular history as Simon Magus.
The surname “magus” reveals that he was a member of the priestly caste of ancient Persia.

this Simon was a priest of the Babylonian mystery religion.

The sin of simony, or paying for position and influence in the church, is named for Simon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simony

This account actually reveals the beginning of the great false church described
in the book of Revelation as “the great whore” and “Mystery, Babylon the Great,
the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth”!

Simon Magus was a foundational role in the history of that church!

Satan used this man to begin building that church. It all began right here in bible.
Christ raised up His Church in a.d. 31—and Simon Magus immediately
came on the scene in a.d. 33! That is not difficult to prove.
Even Catholics will tell you today that their church began in a.d. 33!

Wherever God’s Church is, you will always find a counterfeit religion.
It has committed many violent crimes—especially against God’s true Church
(e.g. Revelation 17:1-6).



-


Primacy of Simon Peter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_Simon_Peter

Primacy of Simon Peter, also known as Petrine primacy (from the Latin Petrus for "Peter"),
is the position of preeminence that is attributed to the Apostle Peter among the Twelve Apostles.

It is to be distinguished from the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, also known as the Roman primacy,
whose link with the primacy of the Apostle Peter[ is disputed and is none biblical]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_the_Bishop_of_Rome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter
The Roman Catholic Church considers [but not true] him to be the first Pope,
ordained by Jesus in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18.

-The Pontifex Maximus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_Maximus

The Pontifex Maximus (Latin, literally: "greatest pontiff" or "greatest bridge-builder")
was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome.
This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion

The word "pontifex" later became a term used for Christian bishops,[4]
including the Bishop of Rome,

the title of "Pontifex Maximus" was applied within the Roman Catholic Church
to the Pope as its chief bishop

-

Nicolaism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism

Nicolaism (also Nicholaism, Nicolationism, or Nicolaitanism) is a Christian heresy,
first mentioned (twice) in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament, whose adherents
were called Nicolaitans, Nicolaitanes, or Nicolaites. According to Revelation 2, vv. 6 and 15,
they were known in the cities of Ephesus and Pergamum.


In this chapter, the church at Ephesus is commended for "hating the deeds of the Nicolaitans,
which I also hate" and the church in Pergamos is blamed "So hast thou also them that hold
the doctrine of the Nicolaitans".

Several of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Hippolytus,[2] Epiphanius, and Theodoret
mentioned this group, and stated that the deacon Nicolas was the author of the heresy and the sect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...istian_martyrs


The root of the word Nicolaitans comes from Greek nikao, to conquer or overcome,
and laos, which means people and which the word laity comes from.

The two words together especially means the destruction of the people and refers
to the earliest form of what we call a priestly order or clergy which later on in
church history divided people and allowed for leadership other than those led
by the spirit of the risen Lord.

A good translation of Nicolaitan would be "those who prevail over the people."
This clerical system later developed into the papal hierarchy of priests and clergy
lording over the flock.

The Council of Trent stated, "If anyone shall say that there is not in the Catholic Church
a hierarchy established by the divine ordination, consisting of bishops, presbyters
and ministers, let him be anathema."
-

the Seven Deacons
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Deacons

The Seven, often known as the Seven Deacons, were leaders elected by the Early Christian church to minister
to the people of Jerusalem. They are described in Chapter 6 of the Acts of the Apostles, and are the subject of
later traditions as well; for instance they are supposed to have been members of the Seventy Disciples who
appear in the Gospel of Luke.

Although the Seven are not called deacons in the New Testament, they are, nonetheless, often regarded
as the forerunners of the Christian order of deacons.


The Seven Deacons were:
Saint Stephen (Proto-martyr)
Saint Philip the Evangelist
Prochorus
Nicanor
Timon
Parmenas

Nicholas
 
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Vicar of Christ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ

a vicar is of "earthly representative of God or Christ"
person acting as parish priest in place of Christ.
like the pope now used in Catholicism to refer to the bishops,
more specifically to the Bishop of Rome .

Simon Peter Versus Simon Magus:
Who Was The Real First Pope

The whole population of Samaria gave earnest heed to Simon.
All those in Samaria, from the least to the greatest, believed him!

In fact, the people worshiped him as the “great power of God.”
They believed he was God in the flesh.

This man is known in secular history as Simon Magus.
The surname “magus” reveals that he was a member of the priestly caste of ancient Persia.

this Simon was a priest of the Babylonian mystery religion.

The sin of simony, or paying for position and influence in the church, is named for Simon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simony

This account actually reveals the beginning of the great false church described
in the book of Revelation as “the great whore” and “Mystery, Babylon the Great,
the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth”!

Simon Magus was a foundational role in the history of that church!

Satan used this man to begin building that church. It all began right here in bible.
Christ raised up His Church in a.d. 31—and Simon Magus immediately
came on the scene in a.d. 33! That is not difficult to prove.
Even Catholics will tell you today that their church began in a.d. 33!

Wherever God’s Church is, you will always find a counterfeit religion.
It has committed many violent crimes—especially against God’s true Church
(e.g. Revelation 17:1-6).



-


Primacy of Simon Peter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_Simon_Peter

Primacy of Simon Peter, also known as Petrine primacy (from the Latin Petrus for "Peter"),
is the position of preeminence that is attributed to the Apostle Peter among the Twelve Apostles.

It is to be distinguished from the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, also known as the Roman primacy,
whose link with the primacy of the Apostle Peter[ is disputed and is none biblical]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_the_Bishop_of_Rome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter
The Roman Catholic Church considers [but not true] him to be the first Pope,
ordained by Jesus in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18.

-The Pontifex Maximus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_Maximus

The Pontifex Maximus (Latin, literally: "greatest pontiff" or "greatest bridge-builder")
was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome.
This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion

The word "pontifex" later became a term used for Christian bishops,[4]
including the Bishop of Rome,

the title of "Pontifex Maximus" was applied within the Roman Catholic Church
to the Pope as its chief bishop

-

Nicolaism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism

Nicolaism (also Nicholaism, Nicolationism, or Nicolaitanism) is a Christian heresy,
first mentioned (twice) in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament, whose adherents
were called Nicolaitans, Nicolaitanes, or Nicolaites. According to Revelation 2, vv. 6 and 15,
they were known in the cities of Ephesus and Pergamum.


In this chapter, the church at Ephesus is commended for "hating the deeds of the Nicolaitans,
which I also hate" and the church in Pergamos is blamed "So hast thou also them that hold
the doctrine of the Nicolaitans".

Several of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Hippolytus,[2] Epiphanius, and Theodoret
mentioned this group, and stated that the deacon Nicolas was the author of the heresy and the sect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...istian_martyrs


The root of the word Nicolaitans comes from Greek nikao, to conquer or overcome,
and laos, which means people and which the word laity comes from.

The two words together especially means the destruction of the people and refers
to the earliest form of what we call a priestly order or clergy which later on in
church history divided people and allowed for leadership other than those led
by the spirit of the risen Lord.

A good translation of Nicolaitan would be "those who prevail over the people."
This clerical system later developed into the papal hierarchy of priests and clergy
lording over the flock.

The Council of Trent stated, "If anyone shall say that there is not in the Catholic Church
a hierarchy established by the divine ordination, consisting of bishops, presbyters
and ministers, let him be anathema."
-

the Seven Deacons
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Deacons

The Seven, often known as the Seven Deacons, were leaders elected by the Early Christian church to minister
to the people of Jerusalem. They are described in Chapter 6 of the Acts of the Apostles, and are the subject of
later traditions as well; for instance they are supposed to have been members of the Seventy Disciples who
appear in the Gospel of Luke.

Although the Seven are not called deacons in the New Testament, they are, nonetheless, often regarded
as the forerunners of the Christian order of deacons.


The Seven Deacons were:
Saint Stephen (Proto-martyr)
Saint Philip the Evangelist
Prochorus
Nicanor
Timon
Parmenas

Nicholas
Its much simpler than you think, posting all this to a people who is already lied to concerning scriptures, will only make things worse. Simply put, the Romans who rule today know who the synagogue of Satan is REV 2:9, they are an impostor of Satanic people, posing as Israel as the Bible states. So in this kingdom of Satan, the Romans are persecuting the real Jews, whom no one knows are the Jews because they were scattered and lost their identity through cruel bondage. But then there is a SATANIC group of false Jews, whom the world believe to be Jews yet are not. That is why Satan does not attack them, for they are his own. Satan always tried to be like God and mock God, so he has a Satanic demonic group of people calling themselves Jews, so that he can aspire to be like God while at the same time mocking Him. Read the scriptures more closely, lest you give Satan more room to utterly deceive.
 

tanakh

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Very strange situation here, if Rome is still here which it is, without question or speculation (in my view). Why aren't the Romans after the "Jewish" people today? The reason why I say Rome is without question still here and in supreme rule is because of basic knowledge. Just Google "Treaty of ROME", "ROMAN Catholic Church", "Club of ROME" these powers have supreme rule over the earth, their riches is beyond any other. Why are not these extremely powerful Romans after the "Jewish" people? The Romans were extreme enemies to Israel, so what happened? I believe I know for sure what actually is going on, but I would like to hear you guys views. I believe the Romans today as they did before, would be persecuting and hating the Jews as they did in times past. What made the Romans have a change of heart?
I think you are making too much of Rome. You should ask yourself why is the European Headquarters in Brussels and not Rome and how come the UN building is in New York and not Rome if rome is still as powerful as you think?
 
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kaylagrl

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Its much simpler than you think, posting all this to a people who is already lied to concerning scriptures, will only make things worse. Simply put, the Romans who rule today know who the synagogue of Satan is REV 2:9, they are an impostor of Satanic people, posing as Israel as the Bible states. So in this kingdom of Satan, the Romans are persecuting the real Jews, whom no one knows are the Jews because they were scattered and lost their identity through cruel bondage. But then there is a SATANIC group of false Jews, whom the world believe to be Jews yet are not. That is why Satan does not attack them, for they are his own. Satan always tried to be like God and mock God, so he has a Satanic demonic group of people calling themselves Jews, so that he can aspire to be like God while at the same time mocking Him. Read the scriptures more closely, lest you give Satan more room to utterly deceive.

So the Jews in Israel are satanic imposers?
 

tanakh

Senior Member
Dec 1, 2015
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#20
Its much simpler than you think, posting all this to a people who is already lied to concerning scriptures, will only make things worse. Simply put, the Romans who rule today know who the synagogue of Satan is REV 2:9, they are an impostor of Satanic people, posing as Israel as the Bible states. So in this kingdom of Satan, the Romans are persecuting the real Jews, whom no one knows are the Jews because they were scattered and lost their identity through cruel bondage. But then there is a SATANIC group of false Jews, whom the world believe to be Jews yet are not. That is why Satan does not attack them, for they are his own. Satan always tried to be like God and mock God, so he has a Satanic demonic group of people calling themselves Jews, so that he can aspire to be like God while at the same time mocking Him. Read the scriptures more closely, lest you give Satan more room to utterly deceive.
If Satan is not attacking Israel how come there have been three wars against them and countless numbers of terrorist attacks in between? Who is behind them all if it isn't Satan?