Scriptures against the false pre-tribulation rapture doctrine
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Quasar92, with your writing about the 144000 i agree. But what i not found is that the 144000 are preaching the gospel. It is not written in bible. I heared it before too, that they will preach the gospel, but this is more an assumption. The only thing is written about that we find in Rev. 14,6-7; (Sorry in my post i wrote wrongly 16,6-7) and this I find also in Math.24,14 where Jesus mentioned that the gospel of the kingdom will be preached world wide. So far thank you for your writings!
I don't teach the Bible officially anymore, PlainWord, and if you are expecting me to teach you, I will have to charge you for it. The 144,000 Israelites are placed on earth by God, in Rev.7:1-8, just before the seventh seal, in the same way He will place the two witnesses in Rev.11:1-3. The results of the ministry of the 144,000 is clearly revealed in the parenthetic passage pertaining to the Great Multitude, in Rev.7:9-17. When their mission was completed, God translates them back to heaven. The Great Multitude are the same ones as the tribulation martyrs/saints of Rev.20:4 and 6! Those are the Scriptural facts for those of us who have a thorough understanding of eschatology!
Quasar02
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It's bad enough you threw away who knows how much money on Bible school and learned little about real eschatology but now you want me to throw my money after your bad money? LOL. No thanks
. I wouldn't pay a dime for what you are shoveling my brother. But I still love you even though I don't love your views.
. I wouldn't pay a dime for what you are shoveling my brother. But I still love you even though I don't love your views.Wow quasar, did you say you charge people for your teachings? Apparently you have not read Matthew 10:8-9, "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons; freely you received, freely give. Vs9, "Do not aquire gold, or silver, or copper for your money belts."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
You obviously havn't understood my post. I am not disputing the book of Revelation as being inspired Scripture. What I do dispute is the Pre Tribulation interpretation of it. The conclusion I have stated regarding the book only holds true if you believe that it was only meant for this generation of believers and that appears to be the case for those who hold the Pre tribulation belief. If such an important event is to happen dont you think God would have made it clear that it was going to happen and not wait 2000 years to let mainly North American Evangelists in on the secret. Revelation was written to comfort Christians in every generation suffering tribulation none of which were zapped off into space before they experienced it. That includes John. who was given a series of visions that were highly symbolic and were based on Old Testament passages brought to mind through the Holy spirit.
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Wow quasar, did you say you charge people for your teachings? Apparently you have not read Matthew 10:8-9, "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons; freely you received, freely give. Vs9, "Do not aquire gold, or silver, or copper for your money belts."
IN GOD THE SON
gluto
IN GOD THE SON
gluto
Come to the party, bluto! My response was to a member here who knows it all, asking me questions he knows I will refute by the Scriptures. I told him I would have to charge him for answers, with tongue in cheek!
Quasar92
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those who agree with pretrib, post-trig, no trip rapture all agree on the soon coming of the Lord. This is not an essential for salvation. But i would say there is scripture to support all positions. But to call it false ? I'm not so sure but that is up to you all
those who agree with pretrib, post-trig, no trip rapture all agree on the soon coming of the Lord. This is not an essential for salvation. But i would say there is scripture to support all positions. But to call it false ? I'm not so sure
but that is up to you all
I asked this question a thread ago,, If I believed in Jesus Christ and did not believe in the Rapture; would I be Taken along with those who did believe in the rapture.
Look to the 10 virgins, 5 of which went to look for oil because they really did not believe thus not ready. They were left behind.
Would not this be the same as if I believed in Jesus Christ but also believed that in part it was my works while here on earth that will help get me into heaven?
It's bad enough you threw away who knows how much money on Bible school and learned little about real eschatology but now you want me to throw my money after your bad money? LOL. No thanks. I wouldn't pay a dime for what you are shoveling my brother. But I still love you even though I don't love your views.
. I wouldn't pay a dime for what you are shoveling my brother. But I still love you even though I don't love your views.
Nor would I walk across the street to meet you, to do so! You're too busy trying to change what the Bible tells us!
Quasar
That the 144,000 Israelites are evangelists is no assumption. Review the Great Multitude they bring to the Lord in the parenthetic passage, in Rev.7:8-17, immediately following the introduction of the 144,000, in Rev.7:1-8. The Great Multitude are the very same as the tribulation martyrs/saints, in Rev,20:4 and 6.
Quasar92
I would agree Revelation is no stranger when it comes to the interpreting law of faith that is designed to hide the spiritual understanding in so much that without parables, Christ the anointing Holy Spirit, as our teacher guide and comforter spoke not. The whole chaste virgin bride of Christ which after the flesh of no man since she as a new creature is made up made up of Jew and Gentile, male and female represented by a number no man could count. It simply speaks of all of those elected to salvation from the beginning of time perhaps with Abel until the last soul is called on the last day .The day of the second resurrection and the end of the world as we know it, judgment day.
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Too broad.
Not going to spend two hours teaching you the obvious for nothing.
If you want,take one of our many verses,one at a time,and I will show you point by point where you guys have zero.
10 virgins
Rev 14
2nd coming WITH THE SAINTS
Church in heaven
The martyrs
The dead rising first.
The gentile bride
And on and on.
Pick one,and take a stab at it.
Not going to spend two hours teaching you the obvious for nothing.
If you want,take one of our many verses,one at a time,and I will show you point by point where you guys have zero.
10 virgins
Rev 14
2nd coming WITH THE SAINTS
Church in heaven
The martyrs
The dead rising first.
The gentile bride
And on and on.
Pick one,and take a stab at it.