What does it mean that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?

[masmpg]

All one needs do is to look to and believe in the words of God---->>>>
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I would like to share many principles from scripture which I have overlooked for a long time. You already stated that the Father is greater than the Son, and I agree with most of what you are stating. I would just like to broaden your definition.

I think this thread should have been more descriptive. There are different aspects of Jesus life which makes it hard to get to the bottom of the OP. But here goes.

1 verse states in Matthew:26:64: "Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." Those who try to say that there is ONE Father Son and Spirit, and the three are ONE being have to take into account ALL references to the Father and the Son. When Jesus refers to Himself in heaven He refers to Himself sitting on the right hand of POWER! The POWER is God, but the Son is distinct from that power in that He is sitting on the right hand of it and not it. So no matter if it is Jesus before, during or after He became flesh and dwelt among us He and the Father and the Spirit are all One only in character and thought NOT physical.

We can also look at John 17 when Jesus prayed to the Father, was He praying to Himself? Or as we read in John:17:21-23: "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." This is by far the most heart warming awesome promise ever given to man, that we may become one with the Father AND the Son. There is a definite distinction between the Father and the Son throughout this prayer.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

There is a definite distinction between the Father and the Son

And many people not knowing or understanding this distinction are being led astray away from the Son(the Word of God) and by trying to bypass the Son by not believing in and doing what the Son=Word of God says for them to do, obey, and follow. I stress this all the time because no one can come to the Father but by way of the Son=the Word of God who speaks the words of God.

An example would be like Islam who confesses to believe in the One God of Abraham, but yet they reject the words of God and testimony that God gave of and to His Son. And by denying the words of God, they also deny the Son, and in turn deny the Father by denying His words which the Son spoke.

But many who claim to be Christians are not much different because while they claim to believe in Jesus Christ (the man), they deny Him(the Word) by not believing in His words, by doing and following the things which He says for us to do. And so by rejecting and not believing in by doing, and following the words of God they also reject the Word of God, which also is to deny the Son of God.

That's why Jesus said this--->>>
Luke 6:46

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

And many people not knowing or understanding this distinction are being led astray away from the Son(the Word of God) and by trying to bypass the Son by not believing in and doing what the Son=Word of God says for them to do, obey, and follow. I stress this all the time because no one can come to the Father but by way of the Son=the Word of God who speaks the words of God.

An example would be like Islam who confesses to believe in the One God of Abraham, but yet they reject the words of God and testimony that God gave of and to His Son. And by denying the words of God, they also deny the Son, and in turn deny the Father by denying His words which the Son spoke.

But many who claim to be Christians are not much different because while they claim to believe in Jesus Christ (the man), they deny Him(the Word) by not believing in His words, by doing and following the things which He says for us to do. And so by rejecting and not believing in by doing, and following the words of God they also reject the Word of God, which also is to deny the Son of God.

That's why Jesus said this--->>>
Luke 6:46

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Positional sanctification comes by grace through Faith In the WORD of GOD and although progressive sanctification Is also by grace through faith,progressive sanctification Is talking about the body,not the Spirit.

 

[prove-all]

The Word of God was the Son of God even before the resurrection of Jesus, both God the Father and Jesus said as much before the resurrection of Jesus.

I will go with what the bible states.Romans 1:4


[declared to be the Son of God] with power, according to the spirit of holiness,
[by the resurrection] from the dead:

 

[Yahshua]

Positional sanctification comes by grace through Faith In the WORD of GOD and although progressive sanctification Is also by grace through faith,progressive sanctification Is talking about the body,not the Spirit.

Well...let's be careful not to change what scripture says.

Salvation comes by grace through faith.
Ephesians 3:9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves


"Positional Sanctification" sounds good as doctrine but it's not scripturally supported. There's "justification", there's "sanctification" and then there's "glorification".

"Justification" and "Salvation" can be interchanged, but not "justification" and "sanctification". Sanctification is described in scripture as a process not a status, so we can't place "positional" in front of it to make it another label for "Justification". Meanwhile Justification is a status or a position as determined by God's judgment.

 

[bluto]

I will go with what the bible states.Romans 1:4


[declared to be the Son of God] with power, according to the spirit of holiness,
[by the resurrection] from the dead:

Fine prove-all, you go with what the Bible says so can you please tell me what the following verse means? "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ--this Jesus whom you crucified." Acts 2:36. I'll even give you a hint, it has to do with Romans 1:4.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Well...let's be careful not to change what scripture says.

Salvation comes by grace through faith.
Ephesians 3:9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves


"Positional Sanctification" sounds good as doctrine but it's not scripturally supported. There's "justification", there's "sanctification" and then there's "glorification".

"Justification" and "Salvation" can be interchanged, but not "justification" and "sanctification". Sanctification is described in scripture as a process not a status, so we can't place "positional" in front of it to make it another label for "Justification". Meanwhile Justification is a status or a position as determined by God's judgment.

I think you understood what I meant,but I digress.

If we are justified before GOD,are we then sanctified before GOD also?

What would you call what Apostle Paul said Inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT In
Romans 12:1-2
King James version(KJV)

1.)I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2.)And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[Grace777x70]

When we receive Christ we are washed from all sin, are sanctified ( set apart ) and we are declared righteous ( justified ) - all because we are in Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is what I believe scripture says about the gospel of the grace of our Lord Jesus has to say about "sanctification"..the word itself means = "to be set apart".

I believe there are 2 aspects to it.

We are perfectly sanctified in Christ now....very true....we as an identity the new creation in Christ will never be more holy than we are now because we are in Christ - joined as one spirit with Him in our inner man.

However there is a "sanctifying" of our behavior that is on-going that reflects our true nature in Christ...so in essence...we are becoming outwardly who we really are in our inner man which is in Christ.

God sets apart ( sanctifies ) our attitudes and actions outwardly but you are 100% set apart ( sanctified ) as a person....the real you in your inner man....the new creation in Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

( who are sanctified this is present passive.....passive is that something is being done to you ...the Spirit of the Lord in us changing us. )

Here is what Jesus told Paul on the road to Damascus....having been sanctified ( perfect passive ).

Acts 26:17 (NASB)

[SUP]18 [/SUP] to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' (perfect passive )

Perfect tense =The perfect tense in Greek is used to describe a completed past action which produced results which are still in effect all the way up to the present. This is continuously happening in the present in a completed state.

Passive means something is being done to you - you are not doing it.

It is obvious from scripture that we are to walk out the holiness that is in us.

There is a difference between us as a person being "set apart" ( sanctified in our spirit ) and "setting apart " ( sanctifying ) our behavior.

1 Peter 1:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior;

[SUP]16 [/SUP] because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I will go with what the bible states.Romans 1:4


[declared to be the Son of God] with power, according to the spirit of holiness,
[by the resurrection] from the dead:

Yes the scriptures confirm that the Son was begotten again, meaning He was alive before His death and resurrection....

Acts 13:33
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee."

Again the Word=the Son is the firstborn of all creation....Colossians 1:15-17

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

And then we see the only begotten Son is not only the beginning, but is also begotten again from the dead to be the firstborn from the dead....

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

Below we see the Son is mentioned as making the worlds=creating all things.

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

This confirms the Son (the Word) was with the Father(God) in the beginning,(John 1:1) and Jesus confirms below, before the world was....

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


John 17:24
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Yes the scriptures confirm that the Son was begotten again, meaning He was alive before His death and resurrection....

Acts 13:33
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee."

Again the Word=the Son is the firstborn of all creation....Colossians 1:15-17

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

And then we see the only begotten Son is not only the beginning, but is also begotten again from the dead to be the firstborn from the dead....

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

Below we see the Son is mentioned as making the worlds=creating all things.

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

This confirms the Son (the Word) was with the Father(God) in the beginning,(John 1:1) and Jesus confirms below, before the world was....

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


John 17:24
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Red flags everywhere in those conclusions of yours. Lets nail it down. Do you accept that Jesus is and always has been God??

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Red flags everywhere in those conclusions of yours. Lets nail it down. Do you accept that Jesus is and always has been God??

Which of all those scriptures I posted do you not understand?

Here is what we (the anointed saints) believe--->>>>
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Which of all those scriptures I posted do you not understand?

Here is what we (the anointed saints) believe--->>>>
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Is that a yes or a no??

 

[Willie-T]

This is a small excerpt from a book I am currently reading, Culture of The Few by: Brad McKoy. It talks a lot about Jesus' understanding of being a son.
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Although Jesus came as Son to restore us to the Father as sons and daughters, His sonship was important for another reason. Jesus modeled how to live and relate to the Father as a son in this world. While it is true that Jesus had the advantage of being completely sinless, Scripture also make it clear that in becoming a man, He subjected Himself to every temptation that we encounter.

The manhood of Jesus is something to be celebrated because it was central to heaven's plan for redemption and restoration. Jesus came to this earth fully God and fully human, but Paul tells us in Philippians that while He existed in the form of God, He emptied Himself to assume the likeness of men — to become like us-and set aside his divine rights to take the form of a servant. By His humility in obedience to the Father, Jesus made Himself into an example that we could follow. This ultimate act of sonship provides a clear picture of how we can move past knowing that we are God's children in our theology to actually becoming sons and daughters of God at a cellular level.

There is a process that living out of our identity will lead us into. Often times it is humbling and draws us into some seemingly hidden places. Jesus experienced this at a carpenter's shop in Nazareth. Yet there is something so powerful about the hidden life of Jesus, something that speaks so strongly to what it takes to live out the culture of the few: He was born a King, the Christ, Messiah, and yet He was relatively silent for thirty years.

During that time, there were no miracles or public ministry to speak of. No sermons on the mount or clearing out of temples. How could this be? All of eternity was waiting on the arrival of the Christ, but then He arrived and seemed in no hurry at all to save the world.

It is not as if the birth of Jesus went unnoticed. There were angels, shepherds and traveling wise men. King Herod was terrified by the birth of the King of the Jews that he ordered the execution of thousands of baby boys. While it is true that the identity of the Messiah was not revealed to the masses at the nativity, the events surrounding the birth of Jesus shook the world.

I can imagine that the shepherds who were present on the hillside around Bethlehem that night must have wondered what happened to that baby in a manger. For years they had told the story of how the host of angels had appeared to them, lighting up the dark night sky. They had waited to see what would become of the Savior whose birth had been announced to them. I wonder how many years it took for them to begin to question if anything would become of the little Christ child.

Jesus just did not seem to be in a hurry to enter into His public ministry. All we really know was that He knew He was his Father's son at twelve and that He had worked as a carpenter from Nazareth. Thirty years. His Father's son. A simple carpenter.

I do not want to read between the lines too much and try to draw something out of a story that is not there. Scripture remains largely silent on the matter. I do, however, want to point out something about Jesus' public ministry that I believe He picked up long before He turned water into wine. Central to the message that Jesus preached as He traveled from town to town, and imperative to the miracles that He performed to demonstrate that message, was that He knew how to wait on the Father.

In becoming one of us, Jesus took on the limitations of our humanity. While remaining fully God, He lovingly humbled Himself to be restrained and confined to being fashioned as a man. This is such a powerful part of the ministry of Jesus. He did not rely on His understanding of the doctrine of healing to bring wholeness to those around Him. He operated out of knowing what the Father was doing and the understanding that His role was to bring the will of the Father to earth. This is what allowed Jesus to live His life tucked away in the carpenter’s shop for thirty years.

It is not that His heart was not moved with compassion when He saw the blind and the lame during those first thirty years, but that He was willing to wait until His Father said it was time for Him to move out from the carpenter's shop. When Jesus intervened on behalf of the woman caught in adultery, was that the first time He had witnessed a mob seeking to take judgment into its own hands? What must it have been like for Him to remain silent, waiting for the release from the Father to announce to the world that He had come to fulfill the law that no one else could keep?

Jesus practiced a restraint over the course of His public ministry that should cause us to reevaluate our view of ministry. For instance, everyone that came to Jesus with a physical need was healed, but there are stories recorded in Scripture where Jesus did not heal everyone present. John chapter five records the story of Jesus healing the man at the pool of Bethesda. Jesus walks into a room full of needs and sees a certain man that had been sick for thirty-eight years. John does not record Jesus speaking to anyone except him. Out of the estimated hundreds of sick people present, Jesus recognized that the Father was highlighting one certain man.

I believe that a part of the process of sonship Jesus modeled for us was His willingness to be restrained by love. By submitting Himself to do only what He saw the Father doing, Jesus passed up many good ministry opportunities. He did not claim the royal rights at age eight like King Josiah, but instead waited patiently and faithfully for His Father to say that He was ready.

By doing this, Jesus trusted that the love of the Father for Him was more than enough to satisfy every one of His needs. He also trusted that the Father's love for the world was sufficient to lead Him as He walked this earth, and that God would release Him at the time He would have the most significant impact. Because He embraced sonship, Jesus knew that whether He was feeding the five thousand or cutting logs into boards, that as long as He did what He saw the Father doing, He was bringing the Kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven.

 

[Grace777x70]

Jesus is also called the Lamb of God. Does that make Him a real literal lamb? He our Lord and God has many names.

Jesus is God - of that there is no doubt at all. Of course there are always those that deny the Godhead of which is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit - all God - one in purpose, nature and in mutual sharing of their life together as One.

 

[Demi777]

Son of God= Son of God = Jesus
Father in heaven = God = YWHW

 

[FreeNChrist]

Jesus shows us not only who and what God is really like, but also who and what man was created to be like.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Son of God= Son of God = Jesus
Father in heaven = God = YWHW

God = the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Demi777]

God = the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

God = the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit = Catholic heresy to have a excuse to Pagans about ''1 God''​

 

[FreeNChrist]

God = the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit = Catholic heresy to have a excuse to Pagans about ''1 God''​

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