"replacement theology" - what is it?

[notuptome]

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where does it say as a nation?
the nation is the church

What of willful ignorance?

Context makes it national.

The church is not limited to a single nation but encompasses every nation, tribe and tongue.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

God only ever said He was saving a few - a remnant.
in your fav Romans passages, he makes clear exactly HOW all Israel will be saved - IN THIS WAY - by grace through faith. re-read it.

It has always been by grace through faith.

God is saving the whosoever will's. Thousands came and heard Jesus teach the scriptures. They turned back when Jesus spoke of the cross.

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 ¶ Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Ahwatukee]

The bible tells you it took place at the cross.... how can you not understand that? It's written in the bible.

It does not say that it took place at the cross. It says, "they will upon me, the one they have pierced." That does not necessarily mean at the time he was pierced, but when he returns to end the age.

Remember, when he appeared to his disciples, they thought that they were seeing a spirit and as proof that it was he himself, he showed them the nail marks in his hands and his feet. He will be returning in that same resurrected body with the nail marks of his crucifixion. That is why it is important to read the whole context, because prior to that statement, the reference is made regarding the day of the Lord, which has yet to take place.

 

[KJV1611]

It does not say that it took place at the cross. It says, "they will upon me, the one they have pierced." That does not necessarily mean at the time he was pierced, but when he returns to end the age.

Remember, when he appeared to his disciples, they thought that they were seeing a spirit and as proof that it was he himself, he showed them the nail marks in his hands and his feet. He will be returning in that same resurrected body with the nail marks of his crucifixion. That is why it is important to read the whole context, because prior to that statement, the reference is made regarding the day of the Lord, which has yet to take place.

PLEASE READ VERSES BELOW. This is the umpteenth time I've posted these verse.

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

 

[KJV1611]

I'm out for a while.

 

[kaylagrl]

The point of the OP I believe was that there is no such thing as replacement theology. It was to give people who think that fleshly Israel is God's chosen people a chance to post verses that say "the children of the flesh, these are the children of God", but those verses don't exist.

But
there is such a thing as replacement theology. And the title asked a question. Two sets of beliefs that will never meet. Every time we've had this discussion it ends in a free for all.

 

[kaylagrl]

witness the hand-waving and upcoming gnashing of teeth

There is no gnashing of teeth,this is a discussion and you were nasty in your comment to me. So don't make it look like we are all nasty people and you all are the righteous. Stick to discussion please.

 

[followjesus]

- I've been accused of it.
- it's been called satanic and heretical etc etc
- what is it?
- where does it originate?
- does God employ anything like 'replacement theology'?

sorry, I'm aware there are a million threads out there. here's one more.

if rather than accusing each other of herecy and "proving each other wrong" because we see things we dont understand, consider things prayerfully before rejecting them and lynching the person saying something ....we may actually grow in Knowledge and edify each other

 

[wanderer6059]

What happens when an unstoppable theology meets an immovable theology...

 

[garee]

It does not say that it took place at the cross. It says, "they will upon me, the one they have pierced." That does not necessarily mean at the time he was pierced, but when he returns to end the age.
They will upon me, the one they have pierced meant the Son of man the one who was pierced.

God is not a man as us. The one time demonstration of the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world is over.
I would ask that those are looking for Him to appear again was not one demonstration enough?

2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Remember, when he appeared to his disciples, they thought that they were seeing a spirit and as proof that it was he himself, he showed them the nail marks in his hands and his feet. He will be returning in that same resurrected body with the nail marks of his crucifixion. That is why it is important to read the whole context, because prior to that statement, the reference is made regarding the day of the Lord, which has yet to take place.

We walk by faith,after the unseen voice of God. Christ resisted all attempts to worship Him after the temporal flesh .As if eternal God had a beginning. Those reference with nail marks apposed the gospel .

In effect .Jesus said why walk by sight as if eternal God had form that we could behold with our eyes .It’s why Christ called him faithless(no faith) be not faithless, but believing.Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

No blessing for walking by sight

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing

 

[garee]

But
there is such a thing as replacement theology. And the title asked a question. Two sets of beliefs that will never meet. Every time we've had this discussion it ends in a free for all.

I offer it was the time reformation not replacement.

 

[kaylagrl]

What happens when an unstoppable theology meets an immovable theology...

Closed threads....

 

[kaylagrl]

I offer it was the time reformation not replacement.

I

It has been known and labeled replacement theology for years. Though it has other names. Sorry folks,still having that typing issue in the forums. Its rather annoying.

 

[LaurenTM]

What does what you said here have to do with PROOVING "they shall look on him whom they pierced" did or didn't happen at the cross?

I was actually 'proving' your narrow vision...that scripture pertains to far more than the view at the cross

the proof is in the context...not in what you mistakenly think is the fulfillment of scripture which is limited by your preterist view

if you think they was only the people at the cross, which it seems you do, you are misinterpreting and constricting what it actually means

go right ahead though..

 

[LaurenTM]

I like that there was a question asked "replacement theology" what is it? Then when you answer it you get butaned by the OP who wasn't asking a question at all but is telling you their belief and that they are right.lol

well, that is how this particular op rolls...does it all the time in threads she creates

butaned....LOL!

 

[LaurenTM]

The point of the OP I believe was that there is no such thing as replacement theology. It was to give people who think that fleshly Israel is God's chosen people a chance to post verses that say "the children of the flesh, these are the children of God", but those verses don't exist.

yeah

and I have a condo in the Everglades going real cheap if you wanna buy

this op is nothing but a showcase for her beliefs

and you can quote me

 

[LaurenTM]

No it doesn't have anything to do with the Lord's return. Carefully read the verses below, they are saying that Zechariah 12:10 WAS fulfilled then. Those things were done so that the scripture would be fulfilled -"They shall look on him whom they pierced". Fulfilled... done... not future.

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

actually, both Roger and Ahwatukee provided the correct interpretation, staying with the context of both the prophecy and the time of Jesus crucifixion

your response along with the op's, is almost ridiculous if it were not for the fact you believe it is true

but again, that is preterism and just presents itself with no contextual regard often enough while stating much of the Bible is allegory or metaphor

I don't know what you people believe in, but certainly not God as the Bible presents Him

 

[valiant]

actually, both Roger and Ahwatukee provided the correct interpretation, staying with the context of both the prophecy and the time of Jesus crucifixion

you mean they give YOUR interpretation LOL

but again, that is preterism and just presents itself with no contextual regard often enough while stating much of the Bible is allegory or metaphor

like Paul? and by the way I am not a preterist,

I don't know what you people believe in, but certainly not God as the Bible presents Him

lol and who are you to say ' God as the Bible presents Him.'? You mean as YOU present Him. The Bible presents God as dealing with the elect all the way through. One body.

 

[valiant]

It does not say that it took place at the cross. It says, "they will upon me, the one they have pierced." That does not necessarily mean at the time he was pierced, but when he returns to end the age.

My Bible says 'these things took place (His cross and suffering) that the Scripture might be fulfilled'. Seems conclusive to me.

Remember, when he appeared to his disciples, they thought that they were seeing a spirit and as proof that it was he himself, he showed them the nail marks in his hands and his feet. He will be returning in that same resurrected body with the nail marks of his crucifixion. That is why it is important to read the whole context, because prior to that statement, the reference is made regarding the day of the Lord, which has yet to take place.

You see what you want to see. Which Day of the Lord? The day of the LORD refers to any day when He judges.

 

[KJV1611]

But
there is such a thing as replacement theology. And the title asked a question. Two sets of beliefs that will never meet. Every time we've had this discussion it ends in a free for all.

The two beliefs can't meet, it's impossible because nobody has replaced anybody, but your side can't seem to see that. It doesn't have to end in a free for all, just look at what the bible says and believe what it says kaylagrl.

I've posted the verses below several times in this thread and your side refuses to discuss it. Are you willing to address this?

Romans 9:6-7 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.