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There is no such thing as a sin you do not know about. I mean there is, but unless you know it before you do it, sin is not acreddited to you. This is why Satan asked Eve to verbally confirm that this is the rule, and no matter the excuse, she's gonna do it- he trapped her with her own words, despite lies and temptation. Sin is KNOWING the good you ought to do and CHOOSING not to do it. If you know you should read the Bible, but choose not to know what God says in it, you sin, and even one sin not covered by Christ's blood keeps one out of heaven.
If you deliberately practice preplanned, premeditated sin, there no longer remains grace for you. Let's say you are fresh out of church, get home and continue fornicating, and then go to the store to buy cigarettes and alcohol for the week, cause you plan to get drunk, and you live in sin like this week after week, with no effort to stop sinning- then you are no longer in a safe spiritual state. You are not ridding yourself of sin, you are making provisions to sin in the future. You cannot continue to live in sin and expect Christ to cover sins you do on purpose with no desire or effort to stop.
As we try, and fail, Christ makes up the difference (grace). But Christ is not going to go up to an evil person, who gives no effort not to sin, and say they need do nothing, the He will do 100% on His part. If that were the case, the whole world would be saved. He did die to give the whole world the oppertunity to be saved, but most of them will not choose to be- for Jesus says wide is the road that leads to destruction (hell), and MOST enter through it.
We are being tested. There is something we must do on our part, and its more than simply believing God exists, just like demons do. We must die to sin and live in it no longer. If you VISIT sin in the moment of weakness, that is covered by grace (discipline on earth still applies). But if you are not just visiting, but are living there, in the same sin, on a regular basis, with no effort to change, grace does not cover that. You must die to sin, not wallow in it like a pig wallows in the mud.
If you deliberately practice preplanned, premeditated sin, there no longer remains grace for you. Let's say you are fresh out of church, get home and continue fornicating, and then go to the store to buy cigarettes and alcohol for the week, cause you plan to get drunk, and you live in sin like this week after week, with no effort to stop sinning- then you are no longer in a safe spiritual state. You are not ridding yourself of sin, you are making provisions to sin in the future. You cannot continue to live in sin and expect Christ to cover sins you do on purpose with no desire or effort to stop.
As we try, and fail, Christ makes up the difference (grace). But Christ is not going to go up to an evil person, who gives no effort not to sin, and say they need do nothing, the He will do 100% on His part. If that were the case, the whole world would be saved. He did die to give the whole world the oppertunity to be saved, but most of them will not choose to be- for Jesus says wide is the road that leads to destruction (hell), and MOST enter through it.
We are being tested. There is something we must do on our part, and its more than simply believing God exists, just like demons do. We must die to sin and live in it no longer. If you VISIT sin in the moment of weakness, that is covered by grace (discipline on earth still applies). But if you are not just visiting, but are living there, in the same sin, on a regular basis, with no effort to change, grace does not cover that. You must die to sin, not wallow in it like a pig wallows in the mud.
Sin is a reflection of a broken relationship with the Father.
There are no special circumstances, or insight, only this one link.
Through this link life flows. In the general sense the law lays out a simple
foundation, but it works because the Lord lays things on us, which in love we
need to respond to.
So for each of us this is unique, and the Lord has intentions for each of us to learn.
We never arrive, we walk, things are never certain, they are alive.
And in a walk there is always the possiblity of failure.
There are no special circumstances, or insight, only this one link.
Through this link life flows. In the general sense the law lays out a simple
foundation, but it works because the Lord lays things on us, which in love we
need to respond to.
So for each of us this is unique, and the Lord has intentions for each of us to learn.
We never arrive, we walk, things are never certain, they are alive.
And in a walk there is always the possiblity of failure.
Grace does not teach a person to practice sin.
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Titus 2:11-14
King James version(KJV)
11.)For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12.)Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13.)Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14.)Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
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Titus 2:11-14
King James version(KJV)
11.)For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12.)Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13.)Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14.)Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
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But Christians can go down into sin and live in sin for a while. If you believe in once saved, always saved, this is called backsliding. Christians can live a carnal life and wallow in the mud for a while- like the prodigal son. The difference between a son and a pig is the son will one day come to himself and say "I am miserable living in sin, I'll go back to my father and ask Him to restore me."
By your reasoning, David was not saved, nor poor old Solomon or poor old Samson. These guys kind of wallowed in sin- yet they were God's men. They were punished, for sure, and miserable outside of God's will. But He is ever loving and ever forgiving. Thank God!
By your reasoning, David was not saved, nor poor old Solomon or poor old Samson. These guys kind of wallowed in sin- yet they were God's men. They were punished, for sure, and miserable outside of God's will. But He is ever loving and ever forgiving. Thank God!
This is bit of a backwards way of looking at it. But i am a bit confused by what everyones saying.
If we believe our new sins will not be forgiven, for whatever reason, weither they are delibrate, non-delibrate or out of ignorance, isn't that also not believing in the sacrafice Jesus has made for us?
If we believe our new sins will not be forgiven, for whatever reason, weither they are delibrate, non-delibrate or out of ignorance, isn't that also not believing in the sacrafice Jesus has made for us?
Those that believe in Christ's sacrifice for sins receive the forgiveness of sins - even though in truth all sin has been taken away in Christ. "Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world."
We must believe it in order to receive it. Those who receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the Lord Jesus Christ. Rom. 5:17
Does this knowledge want to make us go out and sin all we want? No, of course not. A thousand times no. It does the complete opposite.
Those that want to sin have never seen that their sins were cleansed from them as Peter says in 2 Peter 1: 2-9. It makes us run to our Lord for life and living and totally relying on His finished work for us. Seeing Him for who He truly is and what He has done for us transforms us by the Holy Spirit. 2 Cor. 3:17-18
Believing in Christ's sacrifice for the complete forgiveness of sins is the foundation truth of the gospel of the grace of Christ. We can see the true gospel being preached word for word by both Peter and Paul in Acts.
Here is Peter's word for word account of preaching the true gospel of Christ. Acts 10:34-48 - with the operative words here below.
Notice that the Holy Spirit "fell" on Cornelius and his household when "these words were spoken". vs. 44 - All of heaven responds to the work of Christ when it is believed.
Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
Here is Paul preaching a word for word account of the true gospel. Acts 13:16-41 The operative verse is ...
Acts 13:38-39 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,
[SUP]39 [/SUP] and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
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You know this reminds me of something a long time ago, i was bullied all through school for years, by at least 50 people, i was suicidal and depressed, i was really bad. They all delibrately and willful bullied me every single day, even though they knew it was wrong. Only one said sorry to me, he came to me and said "Sorry, but i have to bully you or i'll be a loser as well"
One day I prayed and asked god for vengeance, but God had other plans.
You know what, god ended up showing me them all standing infront of him, God turned to me and said, Chris, they have all done wrong to you, if you say so i will send them to hell for eternity. They all turned to me, and started crying, begging me not to send them to all to hell.
After that, i was filled with great compassion, i broke down and cried, i prayed to God, i prayed and i asked him to forgive them all, and not send them to hell. I have been able to forgive everyone for anything ever since. How much more forgivness, love and compassion does God have than I?
One day I prayed and asked god for vengeance, but God had other plans.
You know what, god ended up showing me them all standing infront of him, God turned to me and said, Chris, they have all done wrong to you, if you say so i will send them to hell for eternity. They all turned to me, and started crying, begging me not to send them to all to hell.
After that, i was filled with great compassion, i broke down and cried, i prayed to God, i prayed and i asked him to forgive them all, and not send them to hell. I have been able to forgive everyone for anything ever since. How much more forgivness, love and compassion does God have than I?
Hi Natania,
Pretty name.
. I read some comments and thought to myself, "that sounds good," and then I read what others said and thought, "that sounds good too." I realized they can't all be right so I decided to look at the scriptures. Here's what I believe it might be saying looking at the context.
Verse 19 shows the author is speaking to brothers and sisters. Verse 26 shows we. Paul is identifying wth the brothers and sisters by saying IF WE. If we what? If we continue on in a state of continuous sin. So what does that mean? Paul said we, including himself. He didn't say those who do this or that. No, he said we. We, brothers and sisters of verse 19.
We brothers and sisters lets us draw near near to God with a sincere heart vs 22. We brothers and sisters, let's us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess vs 23. And we brothers and sisters let us consider how we may spur one another on towards love and good deeds.
If we, brothers and sisters deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice is left vs 26.
Then Paul gives an example from the old covenant that at the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses anyone who rejected the law would die. Then Paul returns to the present covenant that how much more severely someone who has trampled Jesus underfoot and has treated the blood of the covenant (Jesus's blood) that sanctified them and who insulted the Spirit of grace. Vs 27, 28, 29
The Lord will judge His people. Its a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of a living God vs 30,31.
Then the verses following, Paul reminds them of all the suffering they've endured after receiving the light; insults, prison, confiscation of property etc. They endured because they knew they had better and lasting possessions.
So, brothers and sisters, don't throw away your confidence, it will be richly rewarded - persevere so that when you have obeyed the will of God, you'll receive what's been promised. Vs 35, 36
So to me, it's a warning to brothers and sisters in the Lord who started out well, but at some point have appostisized and returned to their old life of continuous sin, not walking in the Spirit, but living for the flesh.
It can't be unbelievers, because all unbelievers have the opportunity to be born again. These brothers and sisters have apostasized and forfeited what they once had.
19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32 Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you endured in a great conflict full of suffering. 33 Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. 34 You suffered along with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. 35 So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.
36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.
The "if we" are the Jewish people. The author of Hebrews is using a editorial "we" as a representative of the Jewish people.
The Jews called themselves "brethren" whether they were believers in Christ or not as can be seen by Peter as well as Paul in Acts.
God will judge His people that came from Abraham the same way as the Gentiles. If they ( meaning "we" ) reject His sacrifice - there remains no more sacrifice for sins - so no blood of bulls and goats will do now that they have the knowledge of the truth - Christ's sacrifice for all sins has been done - once for all time - as is talked about earlier in Hebrews.
The question is - Will they receive the truth - which is Christ Himself? - or go on relying on the temple sacrifices for sins? We gentiles have the very same question to answer - will we rely on what Christ has done for sins or will we rely on our own efforts.
editorial-we
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The Jews called themselves "brethren" whether they were believers in Christ or not as can be seen by Peter as well as Paul in Acts.
God will judge His people that came from Abraham the same way as the Gentiles. If they ( meaning "we" ) reject His sacrifice - there remains no more sacrifice for sins - so no blood of bulls and goats will do now that they have the knowledge of the truth - Christ's sacrifice for all sins has been done - once for all time - as is talked about earlier in Hebrews.
The question is - Will they receive the truth - which is Christ Himself? - or go on relying on the temple sacrifices for sins? We gentiles have the very same question to answer - will we rely on what Christ has done for sins or will we rely on our own efforts.
editorial-we
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Noun (plural editorial wes)
- The first-person plural pronoun used by an editor or other spokesperson when speaking with the authority of their publication, profession, organisation or company.
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I have heard this quote before "The most miserable people in the world are not the unsaved. The most miserable people are the Christians in habitual sin." Some call this backsliding, some call it falling from grace. A Christian can go down into degradation- we still have this old flesh we carry about, but the person WON'T be happy- and they'll care very much. Even as they committ whatever sin it is, they'll have this disconnect, "Why am I doing this?" Eventually, a Christian will remember themselves and that he is bought with a price and come back to God.
I think we all (myself included) should be very careful about who we call Christian and who we don't think is a Christian.
I think we all (myself included) should be very careful about who we call Christian and who we don't think is a Christian.
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Not to be rude, but your vision does not line up with God. God loves those bullies just as much as He loves you. I was bullied by one girl in particular for being poor. My mother told me to tell her "Jesus loves you anyway, and I do too" whenever this girl bullied me (I wore tape on my glasses and dollar store shoes- these two things were honed in on particularly). Anyway, when she started talking about my "bo-bo shoes" (the worst insult imaginable) I DID tell her "Jesus loves you anyway." I did not tell her I loved her, because I did not, at that time. Eventually she left me alone. Whenever she started talking about me, I'd just say "Jesus loves you" nobody laughed anymore at her making fun of me. It's hard to laugh when somebody starts to tell you "Jesus loves you."
Did you ask God to forgive you for wanting vengeance?
Did you ask God to forgive you for wanting vengeance?
I am sorry i shared with everyone, i won't share again. I didn't think i would get judged by so many people, if i could delete it or take my post back I would. It may not be in line with God's word as everyone keeps pointing out but it sure did teach me alot about myself, how i was wrong, and God taught me how to let go and forgive, when i needed to the most.
I can only hope my post will get buried in this topic.
I can only hope my post will get buried in this topic.