"replacement theology" - what is it?

[trofimus]

Pilate was a puppet of the Jews, he knew that Jesus is without a guilt. But he was afraid of the Jewish crowd.

And roman soldiers were brutes, having fun with torturing the Christ. Maybe the centurion, standing under the cross, witnessing "this man was really the son of God" was better.

Jews standing under the cross were mocking Him, saying even in His pain "let us see if God will save him".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is a difference between the killing Him from hatred, evil, aggression and envy and between that He died for our personal sins.

The first is the process of the crucifixion, the second one is the purpose of it.

You do realise, if not for our sin, and jesus willing to pay for it. No jew, or roman could have layed a hand on Christ right?

The only reason anyone was allowed to lay a hand on Christ was because he chose before the foundation of the world that that was how he would redeem mankind.

You want to keep on jew hating (then deny it) thats on you.

As for me, I will put credit where credit is due, right on my own back.

 

[KJV1611]

Ain't it funny how roman soldiers beat jesus to a pulp (most humans would have died just by this alone) . Put a crown of thorns on his head, and hammered the nails into his wrists and ankles.. Then put a blade through his side to make sure he was dead.

At the Jews behest of course, they were carrying out orders from Pilate, Pilate was carrying out orders from the Jews. By the way, do you think animal sacrifices are going to be happening in the milennium?

 

[notmyown]

Christ finished all of the work by His own self. He is not served by human hands which includes His death. He gave up the Spirit of His own volition .Attributing anything to include his death to Satan and a Satan inspired crowd is not part of the gospel.

It is why in the clearest picture of the father and Son working together in perfect submission to one another .The father put the disciples asleep. Even praying with Christ is a considered a work of God. When the demonstration was over the Father woke them up.( And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray) .This happened three time, with three being the end of the matter .

And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.Mat 26:39 -


Either Christ does all the work of salvation or he does nothing.

In the Mel Gibson ideology according to His movie. The Passion, which I believe he made a bloody mess of. There you will find his mother walking around in the garden giving Satan dirty looks to help her seem as if she had a part in the gospel .

i agree no one could have crucified Him had He not been willing to lay down His life for the sheep.

and that salvation is a Trinitarian work.

never seen the movie, and don't want to derail the thread... i just thought i'd bring a little Biblical perspective as to who was responsible for His death.

 

[trofimus]

You do realise, if not for our sin, and jesus willing to pay for it. No jew, or roman could have layed a hand on Christ right?

The only reason anyone was allowed to lay a hand on Christ was because he chose before the foundation of the world that that was how he would redeem mankind.

You want to keep on jew hating (then deny it) thats on you.

As for me, I will put credit where credit is due, right on my own back.

I do realize it was my and our sins what was the purpose He came to die. I do also realize it were Jews who made it happen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where does th bible say many killed Jesus?

lets see, what was the price of redemption?

Your scaring me dude,, I wonder if you even understand the gospel. if you can not understand the reason Jesus died.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do realize it was my and our sins what was the purpose He came to die. I do also realize it were Jews who made it happen.

lol..

See what I mean. It has to be jews..

and you want me to believe you do not have something against them?

No, God made it happen. He just used jews, and romans..

 

[trofimus]

lol..

See what I mean. It has to be jews..

and you want me to believe you do not have something against them?

No, God made it happen. He just used jews, and romans..

So because it was God's eternal plan, it is not the sin of Jews it happened?

This is a false teaching making God responsible for the evil deeds of people.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Pilate was a puppet of the Jews, he knew that Jesus is without a guilt. But he was afraid of the Jewish crowd.

And roman soldiers were brutes, having fun with torturing the Christ. Maybe the centurion, standing under the cross, witnessing "this man was really the son of God" was better.

Jews standing under the cross were mocking Him, saying even in His pain "let us see if God will save him".

To one jew, Jesus said, Look, Your mother. To another jew, He said, Look your son.

Your hatred for the jews is telling. Have you ever studied crucifiction?

Yes the jews wanted to be freed from rome. They are no better than pilot being afraid. they are all guilty! equal in guilt. as are we. Because we are the reason he ALLOWED that to happen to begin with.

 

[notmyown]

lol..

See what I mean. It has to be jews..

and you want me to believe you do not have something against them?

No, God made it happen. He just used jews, and romans..

i agree. but we have to remember what they did, they did freely. no one constrained them.

their guilt remains. God bears record of it.

 

[trofimus]

To one jew, Jesus said, Look, Your mother. To another jew, He said, Look your son.

Your hatred for the jews is telling. Have you ever studied crucifiction?

Yes the jews wanted to be freed from rome. They are no better than pilot being afraid. they are all guilty! equal in guilt. as are we. Because we are the reason he ALLOWED that to happen to begin with.

Historicity is not hatred. It simply happened and even Jew Paul is admitting it.

Yes, not every Jew was guilty of it, a minority of Israel accepted the Light. Like apostles and other Jewish Christians.

 

[KJV1611]

lets see, what was the price of redemption?

Your scaring me dude,, I wonder if you even understand the gospel. if you can not understand the reason Jesus died.

I never questioned the reason Jesus died, I asked where does the bible say we all killed Christ. The responsible parties, the one's whom God used their hate to bring about the sacrifice of the Lamb... you know, the murderers, the ones who called for his murder.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So because it was God's eternal plan, it is not the sin of Jews it happened?

This is a false teaching making God responsible for the evil deeds of people.

what??

wow man,, You will do anything to get out of admitting you are wrong wont you..

Like I said, Blame shift.

Jesus CHOSE to lay down his life. As he said, Father, if there ANY WAY POSSIBLE let THIS CUP (the death of crucifiction) Pass from me, Nevertheless, Not MY WILL, but YOUR WILL be done.

Your and my sin killed jesus If it were not for us in sin, the jews would bever have been able to do anything. He allowed himself to be arrested, He refused to defend himself. as scripture says, he could have called out and a legion of angels would have rescued him.

Stop blaming a nation of people. when it is ALL of us who are to blame.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I never questioned the reason Jesus died, I asked where does the bible say we all killed Christ. The responsible parties, the one's whom God used their hate to bring about the sacrifice of the Lamb... you know, the murderers, the ones who called for his murder.

Behold the LAMB of God who comes to take the sin of the world.

What does a lamb do for sin? He is slaughtered. WHo kills him, The high priest. Who had Jesus killed? The high priest. Why did the innocent have to die? because we have sinned, It is the price of redemption.

do you ever study scripture outside of your preconceived ideas?

As long as people continue to study and make the bible fit THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM, they will never see the picture and meaning of the word.

 

[trofimus]

what??

wow man,, You will do anything to get out of admitting you are wrong wont you..


Like I said, Blame shift.

Jesus CHOSE to lay down his life. As he said, Father, if there ANY WAY POSSIBLE let THIS CUP (the death of crucifiction) Pass from me, Nevertheless, Not MY WILL, but YOUR WILL be done.

Your and my sin killed jesus If it were not for us in sin, the jews would bever have been able to do anything. He allowed himself to be arrested, He refused to defend himself. as scripture says, he could have called out and a legion of angels would have rescued him.

Stop blaming a nation of people. when it is ALL of us who are to blame.

I am sorry, but it seems to me you dont understand very basic and common concept of using the evil of somebody to do something good.

Like the king of Assyria beating Israel for their sins. And then God punished the king of Assyria, because he liked what he was doing and was doing in from the hatred and evil heart.

Like Judas, predestined to betray but still responsible for his betrayal.

And in the same manner, Jews, evil-hearted and full of aggression killed the Lord Jesus. And even though it was the plan of God, they are responsible for it.

 

[KJV1611]

what??

wow man,, You will do anything to get out of admitting you are wrong wont you..

Like I said, Blame shift.

Jesus CHOSE to lay down his life. As he said, Father, if there ANY WAY POSSIBLE let THIS CUP (the death of crucifiction) Pass from me, Nevertheless, Not MY WILL, but YOUR WILL be done.

Your and my sin killed jesus If it were not for us in sin, the jews would bever have been able to do anything. He allowed himself to be arrested, He refused to defend himself. as scripture says, he could have called out and a legion of angels would have rescued him.

Stop blaming a nation of people. when it is ALL of us who are to blame.

So Judas was not responible for the death of Christ? Should we not blame Judas?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is a difference between a lamb and Christ

A lamb can't get away, Jesus could have called for the heavenly host and walked away unscathed (and left us dead forever) But Jesus CHOSE to give up his life.

Technically NO ONE KILLED CHRIST. He layed down his OWN LIFE.

But technically in another sense, We all killed Christ, because he DIED because of OUR SIN.

He who knew no sin became sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of christ in him.

The jew and roman was used by God to perform his purpose. But we all are to blame.

 

[KJV1611]

Behold the LAMB of God who comes to take the sin of the world.

What does a lamb do for sin? He is slaughtered. WHo kills him, The high priest. Who had Jesus killed? The high priest. Why did the innocent have to die? because we have sinned, It is the price of redemption.

do you ever study scripture outside of your preconceived ideas?

As long as people continue to study and make the bible fit THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM, they will never see the picture and meaning of the word.

Does that mean you don't know of any verses that say we killed Christ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So Judas was not responible for the death of Christ? Should we not blame Judas?

I am just as much to blame for christs death as judas.. So are you. Why blame judas.

Did Jesus know judas was going to turn jesus in? Jesus could have went and hid. He even scolded peter for tryign to protect him.

You give men to much power my friend. Thats scary.

 

[garee]

Ain't it funny how roman soldiers beat jesus to a pulp (most humans would have died just by this alone) . Put a crown of thorns on his head, and hammered the nails into his wrists and ankles.. Then put a blade through his side to make sure he was dead.

I would think that in any way shape or form His death is not attributed to men.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.