"replacement theology" - what is it?
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SO you have never read lev 26, and how flesh Isreal can profit (in this lifetime) from being obedient to Gods law?
of course, that means nothing about a person getting to heaven, Never had meant that, Lev 26 is not about eternal salvation. Nor is ROmans 11 or all the other OT prophecies concerning physical Israel.
of course, that means nothing about a person getting to heaven, Never had meant that, Lev 26 is not about eternal salvation. Nor is ROmans 11 or all the other OT prophecies concerning physical Israel.
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I see what you mean by 1 and 2 (you need to explain better)
Isreal 1 (They are not all Isreal) refers to spiritual Isreal, and is mention by the pronoun "they"
Isreal 2 (who are Isreal) refers to flesh Isreal (those born as a physical descendent of Jacob)
*Your true statement is invalid, because BOTH would be true Isreal in different context*
Isreal 1 (They are not all Isreal) refers to spiritual Isreal, and is mention by the pronoun "they"
Isreal 2 (who are Isreal) refers to flesh Isreal (those born as a physical descendent of Jacob)
*Your true statement is invalid, because BOTH would be true Isreal in different context*
Correct spelling is Israel not Isreal my spell check points this out to me all the time. It is important because the el refers to God in their name.
All who are physical descendants of Jacob are Israel. Those who were proselytized would be Israel. Those considered Israel in the Spiritual sense would be those who among the physical Israel who actually believe the word of God and His promise to save them from their sins by sending the Redeemer who is Christ Jesus.
The underlying intent in this thread is to make Spiritual Israel and the true church, the body of Christ to be synonymous. In effect making the church a replacement for Israel in Gods plan. Gentiles saved in the NT era are not Spiritual Israel even though they become inheritors of the promised blessings that were first promised to Israel. God is using the Gentile NT church to make Israel jealous, provoking them because they need to be prepared for the return of their Messiah.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
All who are physical descendants of Jacob are Israel. Those who were proselytized would be Israel. Those considered Israel in the Spiritual sense would be those who among the physical Israel who actually believe the word of God and His promise to save them from their sins by sending the Redeemer who is Christ Jesus.
The underlying intent in this thread is to make Spiritual Israel and the true church, the body of Christ to be synonymous. In effect making the church a replacement for Israel in Gods plan. Gentiles saved in the NT era are not Spiritual Israel even though they become inheritors of the promised blessings that were first promised to Israel. God is using the Gentile NT church to make Israel jealous, provoking them because they need to be prepared for the return of their Messiah.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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True Isreal.
True Israel ..... In the context of the flesh, are descendents of Jacob, Who's name was changed to Israel. and were given specific promises as a nation of people
True Israel ..... In the context of the promise (in you shall all the nations of the world be blessed) refers to spiritual Israel, who are children of the promise (adopted by God) given through the seed (namely Jesus) and consist of all people who are saved, be it jew, gentile male female, slave or free..
of note. Not everyone who claims to be true Isreal (either physical or spiritual) is actually true Israel.
That is why I said you can not use the term "true" because it depends on context.
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I do not always catch the error before I post. I can not look at my screen while I type. so I just get a quick glance, and do not catch all my mistakes I try..
I disagree, and this would make no sense to me, Why would God differentiate Jewish believers with Gentile believers? when they are all 1 in Christ.
I disagree, and this would make no sense to me, Why would God differentiate Jewish believers with Gentile believers? when they are all 1 in Christ.
Here you go 'preterist' Garee..... Read this and weep for there will be a 1000 year reign, The gentiles and Jews who have believed in the Lord, 'not taken the mark of the beast', shall become earth dwellers during the Millennium. As you can see over three covenants (thousands of years), our Lord has watched, plucked, broken down, thrown down, destroyed and afflicted his people yet He commits to the future that he will watch over them, to build, to plant (sow).
anti-semitism will have no place in the millennium,,,neither will those that hold fast to it in this time period. Beware of Genesis 12:3........YOU preterist (partial or Full) are gambling with your souls. The House of God has covered all the ODDs.
Jeremiah 31:27-34...."27 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. <-(the four beast representing the living beings on earth in Rev 4
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more".
anti-semitism will have no place in the millennium,,,neither will those that hold fast to it in this time period. Beware of Genesis 12:3........YOU preterist (partial or Full) are gambling with your souls. The House of God has covered all the ODDs.
Jeremiah 31:27-34...."27 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. <-(the four beast representing the living beings on earth in Rev 4
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more".
It just hits me like fingernails on a chalk board because of the meaning contained in the name Israel. Personal peeve and I don't accuse you of doing it on purpose.
Tow covenants with different expectations. In Christ we all inherit the same position. Israel looks for and expects a kingdom on the earth while Gentiles expect a kingdom in heaven. While I believe we will all receive an inheritance of eternal life I do not believe that our ethnicity will be changed. It really won't matter but our individual personalities will not be erased. I also believe that it will not matter regarding our gender but we will retain our gender distinctiveness. Just as husband and wife are made one so will all the peoples of the nations be one in Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger