"replacement theology" - what is it?

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eternally-gratefull

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I came out of the cult that you guys are a part of and I know it's hard to come out. You have to believe the bible for exactly what it says or you never will come out of this. The children of the flesh ARE NOT the children of God. That should be enough to convince anyone that flesh Israel is NOT God's chosen people.

So now it is not just slander against us as saying we are Zionists (not true) and that we believe physical isreal will be saved in sin or not But now we are cultists?

Wow dude, and you really think this is going to get people to see or even consider your view?


its like

Hey you listen to me, It does not matter how much I slander you or say you believe things you do not believe, and you are something you are not. Listen to me.. I was like you, I know

even though by your slander, you prove you do not even know WHO WE ARE.. let alone you ever were anything like us.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The ELECTION is beloved, the rest are enemies of the gospel. Here again your misunderstanding of who God's elect are is blinding you to the truth. The FLESH CHILDREN are ENEMIES of the gospel, the children of the PROMISE are the elect... 2 polar opposite entities.
whatever, Twist the word if you desire. I will not twist the word of God to fit my belief system.

THEY are enemy... THEY are elect...THEY are the same people. who? ISRAEL!

Take God at his word, and stop trying to make him say things he never said.

 
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eternally-gratefull

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This is what I get. Would this be correct?
Romans 9:6-18 (KJV)
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

*Not all physical Israel is true Israel.

It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

1st=* True Israel, After the Spirit, Israel whom the Father has chosen for a peculiar people; which Christ has redeemed from all their iniquities;

2nd= Flesh Israel,* After the flesh, descendants of the patriarch Jacob.
Yes, You hit the nail on the head.. slammed it out of the park. Are completely correct.
 
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So now it is not just slander against us as saying we are Zionists (not true) and that we believe physical isreal will be saved in sin or not But now we are cultists?

Wow dude, and you really think this is going to get people to see or even consider your view?


its like

Hey you listen to me, It does not matter how much I slander you or say you believe things you do not believe, and you are something you are not. Listen to me.. I was like you, I know

even though by your slander, you prove you do not even know WHO WE ARE.. let alone you ever were anything like us.
I'm just trying to tell you that it's OK to believe the bible OVER Zionist propaganda. I call that a cult when someone rejects scripture in favor of false doctrine.
 
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This is what I get. Would this be correct?
Romans 9:6-18 (KJV)
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

*Not all physical Israel is true Israel.

It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

1st=* True Israel, After the Spirit, Israel whom the Father has chosen for a peculiar people; which Christ has redeemed from all their iniquities;

2nd= Flesh Israel,* After the flesh, descendants of the patriarch Jacob.
Yes you are right. Now you are officially an antisemite lol.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'm just trying to tell you that it's OK to believe the bible OVER Zionist propaganda.
Saying God will keep his promise to Israel IF or WHEN they repent, is not propoganda, or zionism.

Zionism is saying Isreal is saved, even while rejecting their messiah.


I call that a cult when someone rejects scripture in favor of false doctrine.
Well then you belong to a cult..
 

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Will you answer this question?

Romans 9:6 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Who is Israel 1 and Israel 2? Not 10 out of context verses just one word definitions is all that's needed.


OK.... The real question is will you REALLY read the following?

The Book of Romans is the most comprehensive book in the New Testament. Romans wasn’t written to the world, but to believers. It wasn’t written to the church at Rome, but to the individuals, to the believers, who were in Rome .

Chapters 1-8 portrays a 'doctrine of faith'. In fact, chapters 1-3 are probably the most complete vision of SIN found throughout the Bible.

It speaks of three type of people here on earth throughout history. Those who have NEVER heard of the Gospel of Christ, those who are righteous and strives for a good life and those who keep the laws of God. If you will, you will find that all three are condemned because they (none of them) live up to God's standards.

Chapters 9-11: (the Chapters that are the foremost misinterpreted) . In reality, it tells us the predicament that God was in and how He solved the problem. As reported by one; "How can God love us and save us without violating His own nature? Without violating His justice? Without impugning His own holiness?"

He gave us His only SON. For these chapters tells us of Israel's Past, Present and Future.

Chapters 12-16 tells us the definition of Sanctification ( the Love of God). How we can saved from the 'Powers of Sin' today.

Chapters 17-33 overall tells us God has right to reject those who will not accept His blessings on His own terms.
Each passage has its own meaning and one should diligently search their meanings.


I digress a little but here is the answer to your question and as a Preterist, you are not going to like it. You should have read Romans verses 6-8 because these verses combined tells us 'that God has never and never will abandon Israel'.

Romans 9:6 ..for some that are Israelis are not really a part of Israel. (believers and non-believers)
Romans 9:7 ..for not all of Abraham's descendants are true descendants. (believers and non-believers)
Romans 9:9 .. for regardless of whether you are of a direct descent (Hebrew) or not, Through God's Promise you will be treated as if you were a direct descendant. Gentiles and Jewish people who believe in Jesus Christ Gospel will be in heaven together.


Now I hope that answered your question but as the Preterist (both partial and full) go, it will not.

 
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eternally-gratefull

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OK.... The real question is will you REALLY read the following?

The Book of Romans is the most comprehensive book in the New Testament. Romans wasn’t written to the world, but to believers. It wasn’t written to the church at Rome, but to the individuals, to the believers, who were in Rome .

Chapters 1-8 portrays a 'doctrine of faith'. In fact, chapters 1-3 are probably the most complete vision of SIN found throughout the Bible.

It speaks of three type of people here on earth throughout history. Those who have NEVER heard of the Gospel of Christ, those who are righteous and strives for a good life and those who keep the laws of God. If you will, you will find that all three are condemned because they (none of them) live up to God's standards.

Chapters 9-11: (the Chapters that are the foremost misinterpreted) . In reality, it tells us the predicament that God was in and how He solved the problem. As reported by one; "How can God love us and save us without violating His own nature? Without violating His justice? Without impugning His own holiness?"

He gave us His only SON. For these chapters tells us of Israel's Past, Present and Future.

Chapters 12-16 tells us the definition of Sanctification ( the Love of God). How we can saved from the 'Powers of Sin' today.

Chapters 17-33 overall tells us God has right to reject those who will not accept His blessings on His own terms.
Each passage has its own meaning and one should diligently search their meanings.


I digress a little but here is the answer to your question and as a Preterist, you are not going to like it. You should have read Romans verses 6-8 because these verses combined tells us 'that God has never and never will abandon Israel'.

Romans 9:6 ..for some that are Israelis are not really a part of Israel. (believers and non-believers)
Romans 9:7 ..for not all of Abraham's descendants are true descendants. (believers and non-believers)
Romans 9:9 .. for regardless of whether you are of a direct descent (Hebrew) or not, Through God's Promise you will be treated as if you were a direct descendant. Gentiles and Jewish people who believe in Jesus Christ Gospel will be in heaven together.


Now I hope that answered your question but as the Preterist (both partial and full) go, it will not.

so you could not answer his question?
 

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I came out of the cult that you guys are a part of and I know it's hard to come out. You have to believe the bible for exactly what it says or you never will come out of this. The children of the flesh ARE NOT the children of God. That should be enough to convince anyone that flesh Israel is NOT God's chosen people.
the Xtian Zionist/Dispensationalism Cult

 

zone

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why would someone just randomly accuse me of slander when my post wasn't directed at anyone.
guilty conscience maybe.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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why would someone just randomly accuse me of slander when my post wasn't directed at anyone.
guilty conscience maybe.
Guilty of what? You have got to be kidding me..

the fact you, as a christian, do not have a guilty conscious after attacking people like that, is what is amazing.
 
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so you could not answer his question?
If that's addressed to me I haven't even looked at it yet, I'm out doing things right now. But I can assure you it doesn't contradict the children of the flesh are not the children of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If that's addressed to me I haven't even looked at it yet, I'm out doing things right now. But I can assure you it doesn't contradict the children of the flesh are not the children of God.
do you ever read anything anyone says?

Why would I address that to you? It was not even your post. I was addressing the person who made the post. WHO DID NOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

Maybe Zone should have spoken to you when she asked about a guilty conscious? and nice jab at the end, I mean really,

 

zone

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The Heresy Of Dispensationalism

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Dispensationalism

A Return to Biblical Theology

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Pseudo Christian Cult


“What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation… If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation.”

- By John H. Gerstner Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism


What is Dispensationalism?

Dispensationalism is a form of premillennialism originating among the Plymouth Brethren in the early 1830’s. The father of dispensationalism, John Nelson Darby, educated as a lawyer and ordained Anglican priest, was one of the chief founders of the Plymouth Brethren movement, which arose in reaction against the perceived empty formalism of the Church of England. To the Brethren the true “invisible” church was to come out of the apostate “visible” Church, rejecting such forms as priesthood and sacraments.Dispensational theology centers upon the concept of God’s dealings with mankind being divided into (usually) seven distinct economies or “dispensations”, in which man is tested as to his obedience to the will of God as revealed under each dispensation.

Dispensationalists see God as pursuing two distinct purposes throughout history, one related to an earthly goal and an earthly people (the Jews), the other to heavenly goals and a heavenly people (the church).Dispensationalists believe that in the Old Testament God promised the Jewish people an earthly kingdom ruled by Messiah ben David, and that when Christ came He offered this prophesied kingdom to the Jews. When the Jews of the time rejected Christ and the earthly kingdom, the promise was postponed, and the “mystery form” of the kingdom – the church – was established.

The church, according to dispensational doctrine, was unforeseen in the Old Testament and constitutes a “parenthesis” in God’s plan for Israel. In the future, the distinction between Jew and Gentile will be reestablished and will continue throughout all eternity. The “parenthesis”, or church age, will end at the rapture when Christ comes invisibly to take all believers (excepting OT saints) to heaven to celebrate the “marriage feast of the Lamb” with Christ for a period of seven years.God’s program for the Jews then resumes with the tribulation, Antichrist, bowls of wrath, 144,000 Jews preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and Armageddon.

Then, the Second (third, if you count the preTrib rapture) Coming, the instantaneous conversion of the entire nation of Israel, the resurrection of the Tribulation and Old Testament saints, and the “sheep and goats” judgment. The “goats” will be cast into hell, the “sheep” and the believing Jews will enter the millennium in natural human bodies, marrying, reproducing, and dying. The “mystery church” and the resurrected Tribulation and Old Testament saints will live in the heavenly Jerusalem suspended above the earthly city. This millennium will be a time of great peace and prosperity, with Christ ruling on David’s throne. After 1,000 yrs. Satan will be released from the chain with which he had been bound at the beginning of the millennium and many of the children born to the “sheep” and the Israelites will follow him in revolt against Christ.

The King will again destroy His enemies, followed by another resurrection of the righteous, another resurrection of the unrighteous, a final judgment, and at last the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Although premillennial thought has been recorded in the early church, dispensational theology and its pursuant eschatology are new, as even the father of the system admitted -“I think we ought to have something more of direct testimony as to the lord’s coming, and its bearing also on the state of the church: ordinarily, it would not be well to have it so clear, as it frightens people. We must pursue it steadily; it works like leaven, and its fruit is by no means seen yet; I do not mean leaven as ill, but the thoughts are new, and people’s minds work on them, and all the old habits are against their feelings – all the gain of situation, and every worldly motive; we must not be surprised at its effect being slow on the mass, the ordinary instruments of acting upon others having been trained in most opposite habits.” – LETTERS OF J.N.D., vol.1 pg.25-26

The new doctrine was widely accepted in America, due to popular prophetic meetings such as the Niagara Bible Conferences. C.I. Scofield promulgated dispensational thought in his Scofield Reference Bible. Dispensational Bible institutes by the hundreds have sprung up across the continent – notably Moody Bible Institute and Dallas Theological Seminary.Media evangelists such as Jerry Fallwell, Dave Hunt, Howard Conder, Charles Capps, Pat Robertson, Jack Van Impe, and Hal Lindsey popularize dispensational eschatology today. Most likely you have heard these doctrines taught over Christian radio programs, and yes, from your own church’s pulpit, though probably no one defined the theological system as dispensationalism nor the origination as Darby circa 1832.Dispensationalists view the teaching as a return to Biblical theology, after nearly 1,800 years of darkness.

But, since the day Darby began to preach the doctrine, Godly men have opposed.Many books have been published exposing the flaws in the intricate system. Most hack away at the branches, arguing peripheral issues. We intend to lay the axe to the root of the tree.”My brother, I am a constant reader of my Bible, and I soon found that what I was taught to believe (by Darby’s doctrine) did not always agree with what my Bible said. I came to see that I must either part company with John Darby, or my precious Bible, and I chose to cling to my Bible and part from Mr. Darby.” – George Müeller, a contemporary and one time supporter of Darby quoted by Robert Cameron in his book SCRIPTURAL TRUTH ABOUT THE LORD’S RETURN, pp.146-7

https://testallthings.com/2007/03/20/the-heresy-of-dispensationalism/
 
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LaurenTM

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Sitting here watching obama's treacherous secretary of state stab Israel in the back and curse those we are to bless, I am literally fearful the Lord's patience has worn thin for America.

Dear Holy Father, I pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and beseech thee that there are many still here in America that love Your people, and stand by them. For their sake, for my children's sake, I ask You to have mercy on us, and ask that Jan 20th get here before Your Hand strikes.

In Jesus sweet Name I pray.
well, and just my opinion mind you, I think the world is seeing just a little more of mr O's hidden agenda come out into the open

he has never been pro Israel and his hatred is showing

as for kerry?

just a water carrier