The President elect

[jennymae]

Trusting Our Intelligence Agencies: Volume #1


1. FBI LAST WEEK:
The Associated Press just won a LAWSUIT against the FBI, because the FBI was BREAKING THE LAW by REFUSING to release records (about their own wrongdoing) in a FOIA request.

LINK: News from The Associated Press

A. The FBI hired hackers to break into iPhones.
B. The FBI lied publicly, and said hacking into an iPhone was impossible.
C. The truth was exposed, but the FBI REFUSED to turn over information in a LEGAL FOIA REQUEST.
D. The ASSOCIATED PRESS had to SUE the FBI, to get the documents about the hacking.

So the FBI was hiring hackers, breaking into things, lying about it, and then ignored their LEGAL REQUIREMENT to release documents about their crimes in a FOIA request... and finally had to be SUED.

Nice.

Gee, I can't see any reason not to trust them.


2. FBI 4 Months Ago:
The FBI tries to HIDE information about the Hillary investigation from Congress, so Congress has to issue FBI a SUBPOENA on national television.

A. Congress had the right and responsibility to see all investigation records from the FBI case.
B. The FBI just REFUSED to turn the investigation records over to Congress.
C. Congress had to issue a SUBPOENA to the FBI, and FORCE THEM to turn over records about Hillary.

So, the FBI is investigating Hillary, refuses to turn the information over to Congress (obviously hiding it for some reason), and the Congress has to issue a subpoena to FBI to legally force them to turn over their information.

Nice.

Gee, I can't see any reason not to trust them.


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Conclusions:

A. I think that every time people want to cry about how much we should trust our SPOTLESS, PURE, INNOCENT intelligence agencies... I'll just post a few more incidents like these.

B. These incidents of corruption in intelligence agencies are virtually endless... this is not a winning game for the liberals.

Both you and I know there is no such thing as spotless, pure and innocent intelligence services. Neither are there spotless, pure and innocent politicians. This isn't a contest beetween the PE and the intelligence services. It is about a PE that untill now, allegedly and publicy, has given people the impression that a significant part of American defense, both strategically and tactically, is not to be trusted.

Neither is this about AP issuing subpoenas based on the Freedom of Information Act to get information. This is about security. If the FBI and AP are bickering over what is to be made public, that is another question which has absolutely nothing to do with this question. This is what the media does, that is, so to speak, their raison d'être. This is, however, nothing near what the PE is supposed to be doing.

I'll repeat it: A PE cannot create an environment where his statements are discrediting the FBI, the CIA and the NSA. He is supposed to work with them. He is not supposed to work against them. Working against them will inevitably make people ask questions. Can he answer them? We'll see.

 

[Willie-T]

Both you and I know there is no such thing as spotless, pure and innocent intelligence services. Neither are there spotless, pure and innocent politicians. This isn't a contest beetween the PE and the intelligence services. It is about a PE that untill now, allegedly and publicy, has given people the impression that a significant part of American defense, both strategically and tactically, is not to be trusted.

Neither is this about AP issuing subpoenas based on the Freedom of Information Act to get information. This is about security. If the FBI and AP are bickering over what is to be made public, that is another question which has absolutely nothing to do with this question. This is what the media does, that is, so to speak, their raison d'être. This is, however, nothing near what the PE is supposed to be doing.

I'll repeat it: A PE cannot create an environment where his statements are discrediting the FBI, the CIA and the NSA. He is supposed to work with them. He is not supposed to work against them. Working against them will inevitably make people ask questions. Can he answer them? We'll see.

Some "Washington DC Operating Rules" you found somewhere?

 

[jennymae]

Some "Washington DC Operating Rules" you found somewhere?

Why don't you elaborate?

 

[Willie-T]

Why don't you elaborate?

I mean this idea that there are certain and specific ways a president has to act is exactly one of the reasons I voted to get Trump in there to root up all that stagnant political rhetoric.

Obama mocked Trump by claiming the "Washington rules" had to be followed when he said "What's he going to do, just pick up the phone and call the CEO's of these companies to get those jobs back?" That's EXACTLY what Trump did.

Too much of government has become a bastion of Sacred Cows.

 

[jennymae]

I mean this idea that there are certain and specific ways a president has to act is exactly one of the reasons I voted to get Trump in there to root up all that stagnant political rhetoric.

Obama mocked Trump by claiming the "Washington rules" had to be followed when he said "What's he going to do, just pick up the phone and call the CEO's of these companies to get those jobs back?" That's EXACTLY what Trump did.

Too much of government has become a bastion of Sacred Cows.

I agree with that, and it's not my opinion that he has to follow DC rules. My point is that organizations that are part of the defense must not be compromised and their methods not be made public. According to Fox News he actually does work with them now.

 

[Willie-T]

I agree with that, and it's not my opinion that he has to follow DC rules. My point is that organizations that are part of the defense must not be compromised and their methods not be made public. According to Fox News he actually does work with them now.

What is your suggestion if he soon finds out they have been blowing smoke up America's skirt?

 

[Willie-T]

I agree with that, and it's not my opinion that he has to follow DC rules. My point is that organizations that are part of the defense must not be compromised and their methods not be made public. According to Fox News he actually does work with them now.

And I think you already know that one of Trump's biggest complaints is that we have been telegraphing our moves to our enemies. Haven't you learned yet that
Trump is famous for letting people think one thing while he intends the complete opposite?

 

[jennymae]

What is your suggestion if he soon finds out they have been blowing smoke up America's skirt?

You can't unleash the services, yet you can't put the services on a tight leash.

 

[jennymae]

And I think you already know that one of Trump's biggest complaints is that we have been telegraphing our moves to our enemies. Haven't you learned yet that
Trump is famous for letting people think one thing while he intends the complete opposite?

I have yet a lot to learn about Trump. Maybe I will agree whenever I'm getting wiser. For now I have to judge from the information I have.

 

[Willie-T]

I have yet a lot to learn about Trump. Maybe I will agree whenever I'm getting wiser. For now I have to judge from the information I have.

Simply look at the election. Everyone, and I mean, everyone, KNEW what he was going to do, and how badly he was going to lose.

And EVERYONE WAS WRONG. Dead wrong on everything.

And they are STILL falling for the same old thing to this very day with all their predictions that keep turning up bogus.

 

[Willie-T]

You can't unleash the services, yet you can't put the services on a tight leash.

No, but you can ferret out the problem people, and replace them with the good people that may be working under them.

Are you familar with the "Peter Principle?" Google it. It was devised by Laurence J. Peter, I believe.

 

[plainguy]

This hasn't got to do with harboring hateful relationships with other countries. I'm just being curious as to why he for so long are publicly not trusting the intelligence services while he is steadily being flattered by Putin?

I think Putin's public flattery of Trump is a display of respect for Trump's honesty. Outside of Democratic circles, very few, if any have much respect for Obama or the Clinton's. Maybe many in the U.S. just aren't aware of this ? Travel abroad. In many countries, Putin is held in higher regard than the American liberals are ... by a longshot. I'm not suggesting that Putin is trustworthy. But I am suggesting that he is trusted to a greater degree than the U.S. Democrats are or ever will be now. The Russians or Chinese have done nothing amiss that the U.S. and Britain haven't been doing themselves for years now. Everybody knows it so why pretend anymore ? Maybe Putin feels that at least now, he can cut-the-cr@p and maybe make some positive progress ? All intelligence services lie. It's the nature of their business.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Simply look at the election. Everyone, and I mean, everyone, KNEW what he was going to do, and how badly he was going to lose.

And EVERYONE WAS WRONG. Dead wrong on everything.

And they are STILL falling for the same old thing to this very day with all their predictions that keep turning up bogus.

AH HA HA HA, I think you really believe that everyone thinks that way.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

AH HA HA HA, I think you really believe that everyone thinks that way.

IDK maybe he Is very lucky,I think he had help.We don't wrestle against flesh and blood.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I tried to delete the duplicate but It wouldn't delete,well within ten minutes.

 

[tanakh]

The general is over and done with and I'm truly sad to see that one of the candidates actually won. Well, can't do nothing about that now.

So, gullible Trump voters, is y'all's candidate delivering? Heard a vicious rumor claiming that the man's already is hailing dictators worldwide and is not fixing to get no American jobs back. Buyers remorse next, Trump supporters?

Thanks for bringing Wall Street into the White House, Trump folks, looks like the SCOTUS might could be the only thing he can get straight;p.

Verily I see much wailing and gnashing of teeth among Trumps flock before the first four years are over. I fear it will not just be confined to the US either.

 

[88]

If Hillary had won---we wouldn't have any teeth to gnash...just saying...

 

[Willie-T]

I tried to delete the duplicate but It wouldn't delete,well within ten minutes.

Might be because the time limit is only five minutes.

 

[maxwel]

Both you and I know there is no such thing as spotless, pure and innocent intelligence services. Neither are there spotless, pure and innocent politicians. This isn't a contest beetween the PE and the intelligence services. It is about a PE that untill now, allegedly and publicy, has given people the impression that a significant part of American defense, both strategically and tactically, is not to be trusted.

Neither is this about AP issuing subpoenas based on the Freedom of Information Act to get information. This is about security. If the FBI and AP are bickering over what is to be made public, that is another question which has absolutely nothing to do with this question. This is what the media does, that is, so to speak, their raison d'être. This is, however, nothing near what the PE is supposed to be doing.

I'll repeat it: A PE cannot create an environment where his statements are discrediting the FBI, the CIA and the NSA. He is supposed to work with them. He is not supposed to work against them. Working against them will inevitably make people ask questions. Can he answer them? We'll see.

If by "significant part of American defense" we are referring to intelligence agencies...

it is empirically provable they should not be easily trusted.




When I have time, I'll just start listing more and more known, documented, proven instances of all their corruption.

It's virtually endless.

 

[RickyZ]

Sorry. I guess you misunderstood. I didn't mean three posts; I applaud that. What I meant was flooding one single post with at least three screen's worth of scrolling down to find the bottom.

And that was all God's words. Evidently He has a lot to say about seeking and hording wealth.