good works

[p_rehbein]

In times past, we have had more than a few who did state such......not many of them still here though......

As with most things, there is two sides to that coin though.......we also had more than a few who would comment that once saved nothing else was required.......not as many of them around here either.......seems that the two extremes have faded over time. But, I would not be surprised to see either or both of them return....

As for being accused........accusations abound here on CC......such is the way of the Forums.....

In spite of much talk and fuss, I have yet to see more than a very few times that someone on this forum has stated that they believe we must work for salvation.

I have seen many people (including myself) accused of this many times!

I think most of believe that a true godly faith will/should manifest itself in works of some degree.

 

[Grace777x70]

In spite of much talk and fuss, I have yet to see more than a very few times that someone on this forum has stated that they believe we must work for salvation.

I have seen many people (including myself) accused of this many times!

I think most of believe that a true godly faith will/should manifest itself in works of some degree.

I agree that some form of life will show up in one who comes to Christ - because of His life in us. How this fruit manifests is maybe the thing that needs to be clarified and just what is this fruit too as that can vary depending on our church teachings.

The so-called "workers for" are ones that say we must have works or we are not saved - in other words - if you do or not do certain things ( these things vary depending on our church upbringing teachings ) - then you are not saved.

It's the proverbial cart before the horse syndrome. This is trying to say that the cart ( works ) creates the horse. ( salvation in Christ )

I think it is important to make that distinction or religion can pervert the gospel very quickly.

Sometimes certain words "trigger" responses too so it's good to clarify what is actually being said. Sometimes we need to articulate in a better way what we are saying too so that there is no mis-understanding and sometimes people just blatantly mis-represent what is being said.

 

[RBA238]

Faith WITHOUT WORKS is dead.
Example: Say for example The New Testament Church teaches us to be Water Baptized after you fall under Conviction as a new beleiver. Then that person has someone tell them "Baptism is Works" so he /She decides Water Baptism is not necessary for Salvation, they are deceiving themselves.
We all are to OBEY God's Word and what it commands and teaches over Vain Words of Friends, Preachers, or whoever.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Faith WITHOUT WORKS is dead.
Example: Say for example The New Testament Church teaches us to be Water Baptized after you fall under Conviction as a new beleiver. Then that person has someone tell them "Baptism is Works" so he /She decides Water Baptism is not necessary for Salvation, they are deceiving themselves.
We all are to OBEY God's Word and what it commands and teaches over Vain Words of Friends, Preachers, or whoever.

Works without faith are dead works.

And Water baptism is not necessary for salvation. You are deceiving yourself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's a great thing, but I really have no idea how He's gonna do it.

Thats what is so awesome about God and his grace.

We do not have to know how he is going to do it, Just have FAITH he will..

it is when we question, or lack faith, that we get in trouble.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Faith WITHOUT WORKS is dead.
Example: Say for example The New Testament Church teaches us to be Water Baptized after you fall under Conviction as a new beleiver. Then that person has someone tell them "Baptism is Works" so he /She decides Water Baptism is not necessary for Salvation, they are deceiving themselves.
We all are to OBEY God's Word and what it commands and teaches over Vain Words of Friends, Preachers, or whoever.

your decieved if you think WATER baptism is necessary for salvation.

Yes, we are to obey God in all things, including being baptized as disciples of Christ. But non of those works will save us, they are and result of faith in God and god doing a good work in us..

 

[RBA238]

No Sir..Wrong...Let's read for yourself what The Word of God Says;

ACTS 2 VERSE 38; (Very First Christian Service)
"Then Peter said unto them "(1) Repent (2) and be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST (3) For Remission of Sins, (4) And YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST".
Also read in Acts Chapter 8 where Apostle Phillip told the Eunich DOWN INTO THE WATER and Baptized him...Acts 10 verses 43-48...Acts 29 verses 1-7..

Mark 16 verse 16 (Jesus stated) "He That BELEIVES AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED, but he that BELEIVES NOT SHALL BE DAMNED".
There is more evidence I can show besides the few I have have shown...You can "Beleive" all you want, but unless a Person is willing to follow the exact word of God, that person is deceiving themselves to think they are "Saved".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No sir you are wrong. for that would make salvation by works, not faith. Any work added to the gospel makes it a false gospel.

Acts does not say what you think it does.

1. Peter tells EVERYONE to repent. He only tells a selct people to get baptised. Those who had received remission of sin because of their repentance and faith.
2. The baptism in Mark (if it was even in the origional text, which is questionable) is holy spirit baptism, not water.. You need to stop thinking baptism always means water, in the greek, it rarely meant water, and interpret the text to fit with scripture.

 

[dcontroversal]

No Sir..Wrong...Let's read for yourself what The Word of God Says;

ACTS 2 VERSE 38; (Very First Christian Service)
"Then Peter said unto them "(1) Repent (2) and be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST (3) For Remission of Sins, (4) And YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST".
Also read in Acts Chapter 8 where Apostle Phillip told the Eunich DOWN INTO THE WATER and Baptized him...Acts 10 verses 43-48...Acts 29 verses 1-7..

Mark 16 verse 16 (Jesus stated) "He That BELEIVES AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED, but he that BELEIVES NOT SHALL BE DAMNED".
There is more evidence I can show besides the few I have have shown...You can "Beleive" all you want, but unless a Person is willing to follow the exact word of God, that person is deceiving themselves to think they are "Saved".

The thief was not immersed
John the Baptist was not immersed
Paul said I thank God I baptized none of you and GOD did not send me to IMMERSE....

WAKE UP.....Immersion is the public profession of faith and salvation that one already possesses....it is an IDENTIFIER nothing more, nothing less.....!

 

[pottersclay]

[FONT=&quot]James 1:26[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless.

Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord,
And in His law he meditates day and night.

[FONT=&quot]John 9:4[/FONT]
I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.


[FONT=&quot]Genesis 2:2[/FONT]
And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

[FONT=&quot]John 10:32[/FONT]
Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you fromMy Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”


[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1 Thessalonians 2:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][ Their Conversion ] For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it isin truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.


[FONT=&quot]John 6:29[/FONT]
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

That Jesus guy seem to know everything
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[Chester]

Sometimes certain words "trigger" responses too so it's good to clarify what is actually being said. Sometimes we need to articulate in a better way what we are saying too so that there is no mis-understanding and sometimes people just blatantly mis-represent what is being said.

Real wisdom there!

 

[Chester]

No Sir..Wrong...Let's read for yourself what The Word of God Says;

ACTS 2 VERSE 38; (Very First Christian Service)
"Then Peter said unto them "(1) Repent (2) and be Baptized EVERYONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST (3) For Remission of Sins, (4) And YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST".
Also read in Acts Chapter 8 where Apostle Phillip told the Eunich DOWN INTO THE WATER and Baptized him...Acts 10 verses 43-48...Acts 29 verses 1-7..

Mark 16 verse 16 (Jesus stated) "He That BELEIVES AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED, but he that BELEIVES NOT SHALL BE DAMNED".
There is more evidence I can show besides the few I have have shown...You can "Beleive" all you want, but unless a Person is willing to follow the exact word of God, that person is deceiving themselves to think they are "Saved".

so, then what do you believe about the thief crucified beside Jesus who believed?

 

[RBA238]

I posted all the relevant Scriptures in Acts where the Original Only Church Jesus founded First began..."Select FEW"? We know there were 120 on the upper room on the Day of Pentecost when the 120 heard the first Salvation message, on Acts Chapter 10 Apostle Peter COMMANDED those he preached unto to be Water Baptized in Acts 10 verses 43-48...In Acts 8 when the Eunich told Apostle Phillip he "Beleived" Philip then "TOOK HIM DOWN INTO THE WATER AND BAPTIZED HIM" If Your Church does not teach this they are not following exactly what the hand picked Apostles Jesus taught, and are in error according to your Bible..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I posted all the relevant Scriptures in Acts where the Original Only Church Jesus founded First began..."Select FEW"? We know there were 120 on the upper room on the Day of Pentecost when the 120 heard the first Salvation message, on Acts Chapter 10 Apostle Peter COMMANDED those he preached unto to be Water Baptized in Acts 10 verses 43-48...In Acts 8 when the Eunich told Apostle Phillip he "Beleived" Philip then "TOOK HIM DOWN INTO THE WATER AND BAPTIZED HIM" If Your Church does not teach this they are not following exactly what the hand picked Apostles Jesus taught, and are in error according to your Bible..

Ahh, Must be the catholic in you.

I already proved your misinterpretation of acts and mark. Thats all that needs to be said,

If you want to REPLACE the work of God in HIS baptism with some man who immerses you in water, feel free.

as for me, I will TRUST my baptism of God, and know and understand THAT SAVED ME. and understand I followed that by allowing a man to immerse me in water in appreciation and acknowledgement and open testimony, of my new faith in Christ.

 

[RBA238]

I quit being a Catholic when God called me out of Mystery Babylon in 1987, so you are wrong in your Assertion of who I Am.
So your saying Water Baptism is not Necessary part of the Equation to be saved, according ro what Jesus stated in Mark 16 v 16, What Philip, Peter, and Paul taught the Converts in the Scriptures I showed you? Let me give you another one you can look over and tell us it's wrong, etc, etc.

I Peter 3 verses 20-21 KJV
"Which sometimes were DISOBEDIENT, WHEN
Once the long-suffering of God, WAITED IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, while The Ark was Preparing, wherein few, that is eight souls WERE SAVED BY WATER. The Like figure
Where unto BAPTISM DOTH NOW SAVE US....."

Now tells us Baptism is not required even after all the evidence says it is.

Even Jesus, by an Example Was Water Baptized as an Example for us. Being God and Perfect he did not need to be Water Baptized.

And What did Jesus tell Nicodemus in John 3?
Did Jesus not say you Must be Born Again of the WATER AND SPIRIT"?
Now you have been told through The Spirit of God and the written word you claim to go by.
Amen!

 

[oldethennew]

LUKE 23:43.
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
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And Jesus said unto him verily I say unto thee today, you shall be with Me in paradise...
this has to be speaking of the future, for only,
JOHN 3:13.
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man which is in heaven.

no man can super-cede our Messiah...
there are several translations, but since the Hebrew doesn't adhere to our 'punctuation' 'MARKS,
Christ is telling the other one on that day, that 'eventually he would be with our Father in paradise,
because of his humble heart...not THAT DAY...

 

[zone]

this thread is about WHAT CONSTITUTES A GOOD WORK

 

[zone]

for example:

Proverbs 17:23
The wicked accept bribes in secret to pervert the course of justice.

refusing to offer or accept a bribe is a good work

 

[dcontroversal]

The thief was not immersed
John the Baptist was not immersed
Paul said I thank God I baptized none of you and GOD did not send me to IMMERSE....

WAKE UP.....Immersion is the public profession of faith and salvation that one already possesses....it is an IDENTIFIER nothing more, nothing less.....!

Baptism is a good work HAHA a work of righteousness.......

 

[Angela53510]

Oh Zone! You missed this forum turning into "misunderstanding and abduction of every thread into grace vs works" threads.

Some of these people ONLY post if they think the can repost for the trillionth time their understanding of soteriology. You could tell them a thousand times, and they would always go back to the way we are justified, instead of moving forward into sancification.

Because, as badly as some people understand your topic, they love to quote Eph. 2:8-9 and leave out Eph. 2:10

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Eph. 2:8-10

Zone is dealing with verse 10 in this thread, not verses 8 and 9, which everyone agrees with!

"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." James 2:14-17

Caring for the poor is a MAJOR topic in the Bible and a major source of God's displeasure when we do not care for the poor. When we care for the poor that is an example of a good work!