Fear Is The Beginning Of Wisdom
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I did read that about him and that most of these "converts" didn't stay in the church a few years later.
There is a difference to having a healthy fear of God before we become His child and this "healthy fear" brings us to Christ. Once we are in Christ - to continue to preach this fear-based so called gospel is nothing but spiritual abuse.
We are to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ - not grow in being afraid of Him. Religion is just so stupid and it ends up teaching it's adherents the complete opposite of the kingdom of God.
God wills that every man be saved. Is it possible that man and mankind are two different races of humans, and that mankind was designed after man but is not man.... duh duh duh! Dare I use the term 'nephilim' There are sons of satan and sons of God that dwell on this earth together. If it weren't so it would not be written. The wheat has been growing with the chaff ever since the beginning. God is patient however and is faithful to let them grow together until the harvest. Nobody knows God's entire plan except God, but I can have faith in knowing that my Father is only good and long-suffering as He has shown me. God keeps His promises as well, another thing that has been proven to me.
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If you don't fear God then you don't know him. Our God is all seeing, all knowing, and all powerful, with that being said he is no respecter of persons.
David said " I shall fear no evil for you are with me" that is the perfect love. Even Jesus had a godly fear.
When the angels came to witness the first thing usually spoken was " fear not".
Jesus said to give reverence to his name when praying. ( Dont ever forgetting who your praying to).
The 2 in acts that did not fear God and lied to the holy spirit were taught a lesson.
What I find is a lot of believers tend to create God in their image. Lacking the respect and admiration due the lord.
He is a loving heavenly father who's compassion is beyond measure, who's love for us is greater than we can comprehend. But he is God and there is no other, who will have mercy on those he chooses, he is righteous and holy and due great respect.
David said " I shall fear no evil for you are with me" that is the perfect love. Even Jesus had a godly fear.
When the angels came to witness the first thing usually spoken was " fear not".
Jesus said to give reverence to his name when praying. ( Dont ever forgetting who your praying to).
The 2 in acts that did not fear God and lied to the holy spirit were taught a lesson.
What I find is a lot of believers tend to create God in their image. Lacking the respect and admiration due the lord.
He is a loving heavenly father who's compassion is beyond measure, who's love for us is greater than we can comprehend. But he is God and there is no other, who will have mercy on those he chooses, he is righteous and holy and due great respect.
The Greek word for fear ( eulabeia - reverence and awe ) in Hebrews 12:28 and Heb. 5:7 is different then the Greek word for "fear as in being afraid". ( phobia - fear ) It is used in reverence and awe.
This is also the same word used for Jesus' fear in Hebrews 5:7
Hebrews 12:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Here is the scripture talking about the "kind of fear that Jesus had for His Father" and we are to have the exact same kind. Both of these scriptures use a different Greek word to show which "kind of fear" we are to have.
Reverence and awe for our God just as you talked about.
Hebrews 5:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
This is why it is so important to have a definition about a word because sometimes we have been taught differently about the real meanings of some words and thus we really are not getting to know the Lord like He wants us to.
We can end up with a warped view of God towards His beloved children and then we teach others this warped view.
I think people must often forget that it will be Jesus who comes on the Day of the Lord, that it will be Him who judges the nations, and that every knee will be bent down to Him. He shares the attributes of God with God. Yes He is compassionate and merciful, and yes He has a wrath and will punish wickedness.
And I fear God, even in the last book of the Bible we are told to fear God. I dont believe that it is impossible to both fear Him and love and trust Him, and I dont believe that He ever used the word "fear" to many anything but fear.
We are told that we would be given dominion over animals, and that they would be filled with a fear of us in Genesis 9-
" 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands."
Our pets obey us because they fear us, but they also trust us and know we wont do anything against them unless they do wrong.
I have a fear of the One who can both create our world and completely destroy it. But I trust that His will is not to destroy us.
And I fear God, even in the last book of the Bible we are told to fear God. I dont believe that it is impossible to both fear Him and love and trust Him, and I dont believe that He ever used the word "fear" to many anything but fear.
We are told that we would be given dominion over animals, and that they would be filled with a fear of us in Genesis 9-
" 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands."
Our pets obey us because they fear us, but they also trust us and know we wont do anything against them unless they do wrong.
I have a fear of the One who can both create our world and completely destroy it. But I trust that His will is not to destroy us.
But do we really want to live at the beginning of anything. Do we not want to grow, to flourish to love the Lord with all our hearts; our neighbors as ourselves. After all Jesus did say that love fulfils all the law. That doesn't mean the law is ignored, it means that by loving each other, we've done all that Jesus commanded us to do. So let's look beyond the beginning of wisdom toward its completion.
2 Timothy 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1 John 4:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. [SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
Be not afraid said Jesus...He goes before us always. Our God is a God of love and mercy; the entire Bible leads towards that. In the end we have nothing to be afraid of, in fact, he will nestle us in His arms
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2 Timothy 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
1 John 4:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. [SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
Be not afraid said Jesus...He goes before us always. Our God is a God of love and mercy; the entire Bible leads towards that. In the end we have nothing to be afraid of, in fact, he will nestle us in His arms
.
Hebrews 1: The Son is the radiance of God’s gloryi and the exact representation of his being,j sustaining all thingsk by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins,l he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.m
John 14: 9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.h How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Only an example of many other places where it says Jesus is God.
So if Jesus is God then who can say everyone was afraid of coming to Jesus or alternatively say that Jesus is not God...also Jesus is the new and last covenant...in Hebrews it stated we live under the new covenant which makes all the others obsolete...most who posted old testament verses of need to realize we are not under those covenants any longer...that doesn't make those covenants wrong for the time...it means God's covenants were a progression leading to the final covenant which is Christ/
Pro 30:11 There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.
The last generation of mankind,that will have an attitude unlike any attitude in the past,will be disobedient to parents,highly selfish,and highly arrogant,and aggressive towards each other,and will want to exalt themselves so much,that they will do it with money,not caring about the poor,and needy,which I read that there is 8 people on this planet,that has about as much money as half the planet on the lower spectrum of people who have money,and earn money,but nonetheless,it is still half the planet,which is ridiculous.
We are at the time that people want to exalt themselves highly,and nobody wants to be left out,and the attitude is basically,people only care about themselves with little regard for no one else,so you do not care about me,I do not care about you,and it gets worse.
Ever since Adam and Eve sinned the world has been headed to the beast kingdom,for that is the direction they are going,and the world is based on arrogance and self exaltation,and they will get worse as time goes on,and it is a circle that goes round and round.
They are arrogant and self exalting,they do not like each other as much,which causes them to be more arrogant and self exalting,which they do not like each other even more,because they lose caring about the feelings of others because of that arrogance and self exaltation that gets worse as time goes on.
Jesus said since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold,and evil men shall wax worse and worse,deceiving and being deceived,and the last days without natural affection,thinking highly of themselves.
Mat 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Children are to honor their father,and mother.
Eph 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
But parents also have a responsibility to act right towards their children,for if they do not conduct themselves in the right manner,could cause the children to be disobedient,and not want to listen to them,or do it grudgingly.
Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother;which is the first commandment with promise.
Children honoring their parents,and humbling themselves towards their parents,is the first commandment with promise,for if they do that they will most likely humble themselves before God,for they learn to obey authority,and to not exalt themselves in a wrongful manner.
But we live in the time of relaxed morals,and parents not acting right,and being short with their children,which will have grave consequences in the future,for they are not learning to obey authority,and humbleness,so a lot will not come to God,or believe like they should,which will make the beast kingdom inevitable.
But ever since Adam and Eve sinned the world has been going towards the beast kingdom,for they get worse,and we are now at the time of the last generation where children will not obey parents,and parents do not act right,which there is another vicious circle that keeps going round and round,especially in America where they are the most disrespectful of all,but of course the way America operates,and their prosperity it will happen.
Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.
The last generation of mankind,that will have an attitude unlike any attitude in the past,will be disobedient to parents,highly selfish,and highly arrogant,and aggressive towards each other,and will want to exalt themselves so much,that they will do it with money,not caring about the poor,and needy,which I read that there is 8 people on this planet,that has about as much money as half the planet on the lower spectrum of people who have money,and earn money,but nonetheless,it is still half the planet,which is ridiculous.
We are at the time that people want to exalt themselves highly,and nobody wants to be left out,and the attitude is basically,people only care about themselves with little regard for no one else,so you do not care about me,I do not care about you,and it gets worse.
Ever since Adam and Eve sinned the world has been headed to the beast kingdom,for that is the direction they are going,and the world is based on arrogance and self exaltation,and they will get worse as time goes on,and it is a circle that goes round and round.
They are arrogant and self exalting,they do not like each other as much,which causes them to be more arrogant and self exalting,which they do not like each other even more,because they lose caring about the feelings of others because of that arrogance and self exaltation that gets worse as time goes on.
Jesus said since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold,and evil men shall wax worse and worse,deceiving and being deceived,and the last days without natural affection,thinking highly of themselves.
Mat 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Children are to honor their father,and mother.
Eph 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
But parents also have a responsibility to act right towards their children,for if they do not conduct themselves in the right manner,could cause the children to be disobedient,and not want to listen to them,or do it grudgingly.
Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother;which is the first commandment with promise.
Children honoring their parents,and humbling themselves towards their parents,is the first commandment with promise,for if they do that they will most likely humble themselves before God,for they learn to obey authority,and to not exalt themselves in a wrongful manner.
But we live in the time of relaxed morals,and parents not acting right,and being short with their children,which will have grave consequences in the future,for they are not learning to obey authority,and humbleness,so a lot will not come to God,or believe like they should,which will make the beast kingdom inevitable.
But ever since Adam and Eve sinned the world has been going towards the beast kingdom,for they get worse,and we are now at the time of the last generation where children will not obey parents,and parents do not act right,which there is another vicious circle that keeps going round and round,especially in America where they are the most disrespectful of all,but of course the way America operates,and their prosperity it will happen.
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[FONT="]Leviticus 19:32[/FONT]
[FONT="]‘You shall rise before the gray headed and honor the presence of an old man, and fear your God: I am the Lord.
only in a perfect world....lol ..I agree grace but that's what brings us into knowledge and wisdom.
Seeing God for who and what he is.
I grew up without a dad. Never experienced that relationship, At a young age asked God to be my father so I could go on a camping trip with the boy scouts...Needless to say....not applicable...lol.
But prayers received....57 yrs old now....still have a dad but have learned who he is .
Was introduced to Christ at a Christian camp age 11. From that moment on I was changed.
I'd have to say God conscious God fearing keep me in my teen yrs from being a total scumbag but a scumbag never the less.
Only when I became a husband and father myself did the lord open his word for me so I could understand relationship.
Fear of the Lord sustained me. It caused a boundary I dare not cross in a way. To know that he is all seeing and knowing kept me in check. Society said I would end up in prison. My marriage would most likely end in divorce. My kids would be a product of a broken home.
I'm 57 still married to the same one happily I might add. My kids are grown, grads, and doing good
(Save my daughter who's passed away) but that fear I believe brought me into my relationship with the lord.
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[FONT="]‘You shall rise before the gray headed and honor the presence of an old man, and fear your God: I am the Lord.
only in a perfect world....lol ..I agree grace but that's what brings us into knowledge and wisdom.
Seeing God for who and what he is.
I grew up without a dad. Never experienced that relationship, At a young age asked God to be my father so I could go on a camping trip with the boy scouts...Needless to say....not applicable...lol.
But prayers received....57 yrs old now....still have a dad but have learned who he is .
Was introduced to Christ at a Christian camp age 11. From that moment on I was changed.
I'd have to say God conscious God fearing keep me in my teen yrs from being a total scumbag but a scumbag never the less.
Only when I became a husband and father myself did the lord open his word for me so I could understand relationship.
Fear of the Lord sustained me. It caused a boundary I dare not cross in a way. To know that he is all seeing and knowing kept me in check. Society said I would end up in prison. My marriage would most likely end in divorce. My kids would be a product of a broken home.
I'm 57 still married to the same one happily I might add. My kids are grown, grads, and doing good
(Save my daughter who's passed away) but that fear I believe brought me into my relationship with the lord.
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Isaiah 3:12 (KJV)
As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of
thy paths.
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“[T]he Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth,”
“and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow” .
“The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high;
and thou shalt come down very low” (Deuteronomy 28:43).
Isaiah 3
1For, behold, the Lord, the Lord of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and
from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water,
2The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet,
and the prudent, and the ancient,
3The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor,
and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.
4And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
5And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by
his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient,
and the base against the honourable.
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and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land,
which the Lord thy God hath given thee” (verse 52).
-the siege has started, then after comes the attack, and then the scattering.
“Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers
devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers” .
“Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts”
(Ezekiel 5:3).
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Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things
to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of
thy paths.
-
“[T]he Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth,”
“and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow” .
“The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high;
and thou shalt come down very low” (Deuteronomy 28:43).
Isaiah 3
1For, behold, the Lord, the Lord of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and
from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water,
2The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet,
and the prudent, and the ancient,
3The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor,
and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.
4And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.
5And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by
his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient,
and the base against the honourable.
-
and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land,
which the Lord thy God hath given thee” (verse 52).
-the siege has started, then after comes the attack, and then the scattering.
“Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers
devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers” .
“Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts”
(Ezekiel 5:3).
-
Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things
to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
All of America needs to repent to save the country
America the Beautiful w/ lyrics Sung by: Twila Paris
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SHOUT TO THE LORD (LYRICS) - Hillsong
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I Can Only Imagine - MercyMe (Lyrics)
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Rich Mullins - Awesome God Lyrics
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Delirious - I Could Sing Of Your Love Forever
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We Will Glorify (Twila Paris)
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Casting Crowns - Who am I [+ Lyrics]
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America the Beautiful w/ lyrics Sung by: Twila Paris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w_poBkPb2N8
SHOUT TO THE LORD (LYRICS) - Hillsong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r9ZVDKZR24&feature=player_embedded
I Can Only Imagine - MercyMe (Lyrics)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iJUHM2-j6Ww
Rich Mullins - Awesome God Lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TXAd0RsHvv4
Delirious - I Could Sing Of Your Love Forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBEPFFqpycQ&feature=player_embedded
We Will Glorify (Twila Paris)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wsc9PqaGztE
Casting Crowns - Who am I [+ Lyrics]
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Actually, I'm old-school on the Internet. Most hyperlinks were underlined and blue, so we knew that was a hyperlink. I haven't been able to see many hyperlinks anymore because people do change colors in their posts so often, I stopped noticing anything different about them. Even the blue isn't all that blue anymore. (Or my eyes suck. Kind of like figuring out if that rose has a faint smell, or if it's just my smeller/nose not catching the smell like it used too. lol) So I went back to old-school where we did know a hyperlink by it's blue and underline.
Sometimes it helps to know the writer. For instance, I know you aren't a color-some-words kind of person. So, when you have blue words, I assume that's a link. (Also your links are usually underlined, but mostly just because you give the actual link, instead of using words in a sentence for the link.)
So, I'm guessing I'm not ignored again. How about losing the scoldy voice too?
Sometimes it helps to know the writer. For instance, I know you aren't a color-some-words kind of person. So, when you have blue words, I assume that's a link. (Also your links are usually underlined, but mostly just because you give the actual link, instead of using words in a sentence for the link.)
So, I'm guessing I'm not ignored again. How about losing the scoldy voice too?
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You mean... Jonathan Edwards went from being an evangelist to being a teacher?
Good, because constantly being evangelized at doesn't help in growth. Not being evangelized at doesn't bring the fear of God either.
Luke 12! There is something to fear in God. (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- God)
I want the all that is God, not merely the parts that are easy to take.
Good, because constantly being evangelized at doesn't help in growth. Not being evangelized at doesn't bring the fear of God either.
Luke 12! There is something to fear in God. (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- God)
I want the all that is God, not merely the parts that are easy to take.
the English word scapegoat signifies “one who bears blame or guilt for
But scapegoat is an English word, and is not a translation of the Hebrew word Azazel.
The word scapegoat, and the meaning attached to this English word, is not
a translation of the Hebrew word Azazel, it is not the word inspired originally.
“Azazel is understood to be the name of one of those malignant demons.”
But scapegoat is an English word, and is not a translation of the Hebrew word Azazel.
The word scapegoat, and the meaning attached to this English word, is not
a translation of the Hebrew word Azazel, it is not the word inspired originally.
“Azazel is understood to be the name of one of those malignant demons.”
One verse is so miss-quoted.
Perfect love casts out fear.
What is meant is when we walk in love and in Christ we no longer have fear of judgement.
This does not mean fear is evil. Fear is how we are cautious, and take care.
Now terror is not good, or anxiousness that leads to panic attacks, intimidating people into
submission, fear associated with cowardice. Courage is though one is afraid the right thing
is done.
Pain is a reality of life, but we are called to face our pains in Christs name, and not fear
them, but rejoice in the privilege and carrying the injury of sin and not defending ourselves.
This is very hard and difficult but part of our calling.
Perfect love casts out fear.
What is meant is when we walk in love and in Christ we no longer have fear of judgement.
This does not mean fear is evil. Fear is how we are cautious, and take care.
Now terror is not good, or anxiousness that leads to panic attacks, intimidating people into
submission, fear associated with cowardice. Courage is though one is afraid the right thing
is done.
Pain is a reality of life, but we are called to face our pains in Christs name, and not fear
them, but rejoice in the privilege and carrying the injury of sin and not defending ourselves.
This is very hard and difficult but part of our calling.