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Before God there was nothing, and as God continues, everything that exists is because of Him. To those of us who love Him, He is our benefactor,as we abide in the love He has for us.


Because He loves the world in which He created, and He saw that not everyone knew of Him, and therefore risked dying in the flesh, He sent his only son he directed to convey His Light to the world, that those who believe in Him will be saved. We are all sons and daughters of God,but it was to Jesus to enlighten the world.


In John 14:6, Jesus says “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” He made that distinction because there were many who let their traditions cloudy their perception of God, and God's Message became clouded and distorted. Jesus came along to set the love of God as it should be.


All blessings come from God. DEUTERONOMY 28 lists the blessings if we faithfully obey His Voice. This is part of the divine Covenant with Him, but the Covenant must be upheld. Woe to those who purposefully go astray.


We see those in the world who have been tempted by the sins therein.There are those who attend a church service, yet miss the point of going to church. Some use their audience, brought together through their faith, to level earthly criticisms at others which has no place in such a gathering. What do ratings of TV personalities have to do with God's Love and our love for each other? Yet these same people,after they've leveled their spew, will leave the gathering and do things lie continue to ignore Leviticus 19:18 and 19:34. Where is their love? It is certainly not for us who love God and each other.


Nonetheless they try to impress us by their calling out “Lord, Lord,” making sure people see them and feeling hurt if they don't. Their faith in God ended with the first neighbor they shut out, and the first poor and needy person they ignored, focusing only on themselves.


UnderGod, such people don't last, and if they lead nations, God replaces them in favor of those who may lead under God's Authority.


God is the beginning and the end, and as long as He exists there is life for us.
 
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never forget that there a vast difference between a Christian by title and a Christian by heart. A church goer is not the same as a church walker
 
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Before God?
 
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Genesis 1:1 implies that before God created the heavens and the earth there was nothing.
 
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newton3003 said:
Genesis 1:1 implies that before God created the heavens and the earth there was nothing.
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In our realm maybe because our realm did not exist there wasn't even nothingness it simply was non existent. However his realm was clearly there a realm where time is nonexistent there is no past future or present there just is.

The heavens refers to time and space what we humans call the universe and all that is in it but this is an existence that was made and born from his mouth his kingdom however had no beginning and has no end and is in a realm that man kind no matter how much technology advances no matter if we ever are able to travel to other dimensions could never hope to reach
 
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newton3003 said:
Genesis 1:1 implies that before God created the heavens and the earth there was nothing.
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That is not to say God did not even exist. Saying "before God" implies a beginning to God.
 
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Let me play "Devils advocate" and ask the following question which you will get not only from athesist but others as well. The question is, "Who created God?" How would you anwser? If you say "He's always existed" what kind of an answer/analogy would you give them to make your point that God has always existed as proof of His existence? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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As far as our faith in God is concerned, whoever created God has no relevance. If someone was building a house for you, would it really matter to you as to who created him at that point? But faith comes in when things cannot be explained.
 
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probably it just goes back to 'before-God-told/informed-us-of-ANYTHING'...
there's always a START, except when it comes to our CREATOR'...
 
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newton3003 said:
As far as our faith in God is concerned, whoever created God has no relevance. If someone was building a house for you, would it really matter to you as to who created him at that point? But faith comes in when things cannot be explained.
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Actually it has quite a bit of relevance because if in fact god was created then our entire system of faith crumbles and it's only human to ask such questions as well. I mean we know God has simply always existed not because we have facts to prove it but because we don't rely on mans ways of proving things like facts when it comes to him- you know irrisputable evidence with physical showings of that evidence and such.

There is a famous argument between believers and non believers and it begins with how a believer cannot prove God exists but non believers also cannot disprove his existence, but say we take this a bit further and consider the way God's existence is proven. Non believers are looking for evidence things they can see touch feel and know without a doubt facts that prove him, the problem with this is when they ask to prove he is real they will not receive what they seek because they are wanting proof mans way not God's. God's ways are polar opposite of ours, evidence given will only be given if you seek it with faith even if it's a desperate cry of the last of your hope.

To know the eternal you have to drop the ways of the mortal
 
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Actually it has quite a bit of relevance because if in fact god was created then our entire system of faith crumbles and it's only human to ask such questions as well. I mean we know God has simply always existed not because we have facts to prove it but because we don't rely on mans ways of proving things like facts when it comes to him- you know irrisputable evidence with physical showings of that evidence and such.

There is a famous argument between believers and non believers and it begins with how a believer cannot prove God exists but non believers also cannot disprove his existence, but say we take this a bit further and consider the way God's existence is proven. Non believers are looking for evidence things they can see touch feel and know without a doubt facts that prove him, the problem with this is when they ask to prove he is real they will not receive what they seek because they are wanting proof mans way not God's. God's ways are polar opposite of ours, evidence given will only be given if you seek it with faith even if it's a desperate cry of the last of your hope.

To know the eternal you have to drop the ways of the mortal
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***Proverbs3:5-Trust in the LORD with all your heart,and do not lean on your own understanding.
 
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How does that address the question I asked? Your answer is what is know as circular reasoning? In other words, you quoting the Bible to prove the Bible. How do you answer the question of "How do you know God exists" if someone should ask you? I'm going to give you a hint based on what newton said. Think hard about what he said? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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who cares about 'newton'?

one should ONLY CARE about what Jesus/Yeshua/Holy Spirit, says and DOES, in their lives...
 
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who cares about 'newton'?

one should ONLY CARE about what Jesus/Yeshua/Holy Spirit, says and DOES, in their lives...
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What the heck is kind of answer are you giving? I don't know newoton anymore that I know you so what gives you the right to "diss" newton? He gave a completely "cogent" answser in that it does not matter the revelance of the question. If you were to sue somebody (as an example) and you did not get satisfaction in a lower court so it finall went to a higher court such as the Supreme court, who has the last word on the matter?

It's the Supreme court because you cannot take it any father than them. The same thing applies to God Almighty. It is of no consequense because the highest court just ruled and you have no other option because the Supreme Court is you last option. In other words, it does not matter where God whether or not God existed, it only matters that your responsible to Him and that is the end of the road. You have to answer to Him, period.

Secondly, despite your answer about who cares about newton, newton is right whether or not you like him or not. This is an issue of logic and right and and wrong, not of personalities. In short, get over yourself instead of being a child. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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newton3003 said:
As far as our faith in God is concerned, whoever created God has no relevance.
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Of course it does. Are you really saying that God is a created Being? That God is not self existent? That He is not the prime mover? You are saying He is not the prime cause, but that something else preceded Him, and brought Him into existence? Surely you have some grasp of the fact that this is a Christian forum, and that Christians believe God to be eternal, having neither beginning nor end?
 
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newton3003 said:
Before God there was nothing, and as God continues, everything that exists is because of Him. To those of us who love Him, He is our benefactor,as we abide in the love He has for us.
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I do not think you mean before God there was nothing,but God was alone at one time when nothing was created,for if before God there was nothing would mean God would have to come from nothing.

God said there was no God formed before Him,and no God shall be formed after Him,which God does not have a beginning.

This boggles some people's minds that how can there be a being that never had a beginning,but if that is not the case then Gods would be creating Gods and that would back up for all eternity without a beginning,which it makes more sense that there is only one God that has no beginning,especially since the heaven and the heaven and heavens cannot contain God,and God is in all,and through all,which means God's Spirit is endless in all directions,and fills all space.

So if this God is omnipresent and created,and the God that created Him is less than that,how did He create a God so vast,and if that God that created God was omnipresent,how did he find room to create this God since the God that created fills all space.

If this God is omnipresent and was created,it would appear that the God that created Him would also have to be omnipresent,but how could that God create an omnipresent God when he is an omnipresent God,for there would be no room.

There is only one God,no beginning,which is the only thing that makes sense,for it makes less sense that Gods are creating Gods that back up for all eternity with no beginning.

If Gods do create Gods they must know they are about to perish,and create a being to take their place,but there cannot be two omnipresent Gods at the same time that both fill all space.

I believe that God has no beginning,and possibly physical matter always exists,for how could God bring it out of nothing,and it sure did not come for His Spirit,for His Spirit fills all space,and is of a different substance,and God forms that physical matter in to what He wants.

Do evolutionists ever think that maybe the big bang theory produced a God like being with intelligence,which I do not ponder that,but do they wonder.How can they say they know for a fact that there is not a God that could come from the big bang theory,or any God,and that is because the main thing they are fighting against is an intelligent mind behind creation.

They would not care if there was a being that was vast,apart from people,as long as that being has no intelligence,and a vegetable that does not even know it exists,and cannot function,because they want to take out the intelligence factor of a higher being.
 
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Of course it does. Are you really saying that God is a created Being? That God is not self existent? That He is not the prime mover? You are saying He is not the prime cause, but that something else preceded Him, and brought Him into existence? Surely you have some grasp of the fact that this is a Christian forum, and that Christians believe God to be eternal, having neither beginning nor end?
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***Ultimately, to paraphrase Jesus, I answer to God, not to men. God ultimately judges my life, not men.
 
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Before God created there was no matter, no space, no time. In other words, before God created these things none of them existed. Isaiah 43:10 I(God)am He, before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. That word "formed" is the same word that says, God formed man from the dust of the ground. God is saying here that there were no other gods before Him, He is the Original. I am thinking of what Billy Graham said one time, where did God come from and how did He get all this power. Another good one is where did Satan come from and why was he not afraid to call God a liar??
 
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newton3003 said:
***Ultimately, to paraphrase Jesus, I answer to God, not to men. God ultimately judges my life, not men.
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Refusing to answer straightforward questions, hmmm, you are hiding something.

This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people
loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

 
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