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Ive just thought of a question ? if you could alter your d.n.a so you could live forever stay young in the flesh would you choose it ?

Not me...God's kingdom is spiritual....to remain in the flesh would make it impossible to be in God's kingdom.......!
 
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There is so many statements of truths in this thread i just cant see why people dont believe that bad spirits do exist with heavenly inteligence..

Theres truth after truth here over an over again.. i cant see how many much more black could be black and white could be white..
 
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Not me...God's kingdom is spiritual....to remain in the flesh would make it impossible to be in God's kingdom.......!
I know but could you imagine how many people you could help to get on the straight and narrow ?
 
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yes. i believe you have a good point. see the Book of Enoch as Lord GOD speaks highly of Enoch
We cant because some man took it out of our cannon... funny thing tho scripture clearly states let no man take away from scripture or add too it ????????
 
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Ive just thought of a question ? if you could alter your d.n.a so you could live forever stay young in the flesh would you choose it ?
Na,, I'd rather be ?
 

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We cant because some man took it out of our cannon... funny thing tho scripture clearly states let no man take away from scripture or add too it ????????
Oy, some decided to ADD it to canon when it was not originally considered such. Is it possible for you to get your facts straight?
 
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I know but could you imagine how many people you could help to get on the straight and narrow ?
it would be better to have some supernatural ability to travel across the world fast and spread the gospel. Just being one person living essentially forever won't save many people. The scriptures will come to pass & the world will be judged eventually
 
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I dunoo about this one... arnt we with the spirit now ? what difrence does it make whether where up there or down here ?
Up there is liken to a egalitarian, on earth not so much.
 
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Ive just thought of a question ? if you could alter your d.n.a so you could live forever stay young in the flesh would you choose it ?
It's said that the only sure thing here is death and taxes. That would only leave taxes. I see this life sort of as work and one day we will retire (die). I'm seriously looking forward to retirement.
 
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Oy, some decided to ADD it to canon when it was not originally considered such. Is it possible for you to get your facts straight?
what facts are they ? It was in our cannon.. That means someone who saw fit to put all the othe books in ther..
 
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It's said that the only sure thing here is death and taxes. That would only leave taxes. I see this life sort of as work and one day we will retire (die). I'm seriously looking forward to retirement.
You wouldnt need to retire if you where forever young..

The old t people lived until they where 9 hundred..

The bible now they have become like us knowing all good and bad..

Now mankind has cloned life... what next the fountain of youth.
 
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Lol ok what if you could stay forever retired hahahah
 
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I personaly think that you cant be a son of God until your reborn of the spirit...

Since the spirit had not yet been given in the old t...

then when it refers to the sons of god its not refering to mankind but angels
 

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what facts are they ? It was in our cannon.. That means someone who saw fit to put all the othe books in ther..
It was not considered canon. See how to spell that word correctly? Please follow suit, thank you. Enoch was included as part of some of the collections with Scripture, but still not considered canon. Such books are designated as Apocryphal, not inspired. Learn to differentiate. Do a little homework, even. Otherwise you are spreading false information. Here is something to help you: https://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html
 

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Unless you are Roman Catholic.

Roman Catholic and Orthodox Faith Examined and The Apocrypha

"The Jewish canon, or the Hebrew Bible, was universally received, while the Apocrypha added to the Greek version of the Septuagint were only in a general way accounted as books suitable for church reading, and thus as a middle class between canonical and strictly apocryphal (pseudonymous) writings. And justly; for those books, while they have great historical value, and fill the gap between the Old Testament and the New, all originated after the cessation of prophecy, and they cannot therefore be regarded as inspired, nor are they ever cited by Christ or the apostles" (Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, book 3, chapter 9)

21 reasons why the Apocrypha is not inspired:

  1. The Roman Catholic Church did not officially canonize the Apocrypha until the Council of Trent (1546 AD). This was in part because the Apocrypha contained material which supported certain Catholic doctrines, such as purgatory, praying for the dead, and the treasury of merit.
  2. Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament.
  3. Not one of the writers lays any claim to inspiration.
  4. These books were never acknowledged as sacred Scriptures by the Jewish Church, and therefore were never sanctioned by our Lord.
  5. They were not allowed a place among the sacred books, during the first four centuries of the Christian Church.
  6. They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves; as when, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in as many different places.
  7. The Apocrypha inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection.

  8. The apocrypha contains offensive materials unbecoming of God's authorship.

  9. It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation.
  10. The apocryphal books themselves make reference to what we call the Silent 400 years, where there was no prophets of God to write inspired materials.
    And they laid up the stones in the mountain of the temple in a convenient place, till there should come a prophet, and give answer concerning them. (1 Maccabees 4:46)
    And there was a great tribulation in Israel, such as was not since the day, that there was no prophet seen in Israel. (1 Maccabees 9:27)
    And that the Jews, and their priests, had consented that he should be their prince, and high priest for ever, till there should arise a faithful prophet. (1 Maccabees 14:41)
  11. Josephus rejected the apocryphal books as inspired and this reflected Jewish thought at the time of Jesus

  12. The Manual of Discipline in the Dead Sea Scrolls rejected the apocrypha as inspired.
  13. The Council of Jamnia held the same view rejected the apocrypha as inspired.

  14. Although it was occasionally quoted in early church writings, it was nowhere accepted in a canon. Melito (AD 170) and Origen rejected the Apocrypha, (Eccl. Hist. VI. 25, Eusebius) as does the Muratorian Canon.
  15. Jerome vigorously resisted including the Apocrypha in his Latin Vulgate Version (400 AD), but was overruled. As a result, the standard Roman Catholic Bible throughout the medieval period contained it. Thus, it gradually came to be revered by the average clergyman. Still, many medieval Catholic scholars realized that it was not inspired.
  16. The terms "protocanonical" and "deuterocanonical" are used by Catholics to signify respectively those books of Scripture that were received by the entire Church from the beginning as inspired, and those whose inspiration came to be recognized later, after the matter had been disputed by certain Fathers and local churches.
  17. Pope Damasus (366-384) authorized Jerome to translate the Latin Vulgate. The Council of Carthage declared this translation as "the infallible and authentic Bible." Jerome was the first to describe the extra 7 Old Testament books as the "Apocrypha" (doubtful authenticity). Needless to say, Jerome's Latin Vulgate did not include the Apocrypha.
  18. Cyril (born about A.D. 315) - "Read the divine Scriptures - namely, the 22 books of the Old Testament which the 72 interpreters translated" (the Septuagint)
  19. The apocrypha wasn't included at first in the Septuagint, but was appended by the Alexandrian Jews, and was not listed in any of the catalogues of the inspired books till the 4th century
  20. Hilary (bishop of Poictiers, 350 A.D.) rejected the apocrypha (Prologue to the Psalms, Sec. 15)
  21. Epiphanius (the great opposer of heresy, 360 A.D.) rejected them all. Referring to Wisdom of Solomon & book of Jesus Sirach, he said "These indeed are useful books & profitable, but they are not placed in the number of the canonical." Reasons why the Apocrypha does NOT belong in the Bible!
 
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Scriptures explicitly state that creatures reproduce after their own kind. That should rule out any thinking along the lines of humans having the offspring of angels. The sons of God are of the line of Seth, God worshipers. The daughters of men are of the line of Cain, pagans. Idolatry is always the end result when people who believe in the One True God marry those who don't.
You need to do your research the book opf enoch was once in our bible........ never mind what wiki says :rolleyes:
 
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Unless you are Roman Catholic.

Roman Catholic and Orthodox Faith Examined and The Apocrypha

"The Jewish canon, or the Hebrew Bible, was universally received, while the Apocrypha added to the Greek version of the Septuagint were only in a general way accounted as books suitable for church reading, and thus as a middle class between canonical and strictly apocryphal (pseudonymous) writings. And justly; for those books, while they have great historical value, and fill the gap between the Old Testament and the New, all originated after the cessation of prophecy, and they cannot therefore be regarded as inspired, nor are they ever cited by Christ or the apostles" (Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, book 3, chapter 9)

21 reasons why the Apocrypha is not inspired:

  1. The Roman Catholic Church did not officially canonize the Apocrypha until the Council of Trent (1546 AD). This was in part because the Apocrypha contained material which supported certain Catholic doctrines, such as purgatory, praying for the dead, and the treasury of merit.
  2. Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament.
  3. Not one of the writers lays any claim to inspiration.
  4. These books were never acknowledged as sacred Scriptures by the Jewish Church, and therefore were never sanctioned by our Lord.
  5. They were not allowed a place among the sacred books, during the first four centuries of the Christian Church.
  6. They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves; as when, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in as many different places.
  7. The Apocrypha inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection.

  8. The apocrypha contains offensive materials unbecoming of God's authorship.

  9. It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation.
  10. The apocryphal books themselves make reference to what we call the Silent 400 years, where there was no prophets of God to write inspired materials.
    And they laid up the stones in the mountain of the temple in a convenient place, till there should come a prophet, and give answer concerning them. (1 Maccabees 4:46)
    And there was a great tribulation in Israel, such as was not since the day, that there was no prophet seen in Israel. (1 Maccabees 9:27)
    And that the Jews, and their priests, had consented that he should be their prince, and high priest for ever, till there should arise a faithful prophet. (1 Maccabees 14:41)
  11. Josephus rejected the apocryphal books as inspired and this reflected Jewish thought at the time of Jesus

  12. The Manual of Discipline in the Dead Sea Scrolls rejected the apocrypha as inspired.
  13. The Council of Jamnia held the same view rejected the apocrypha as inspired.

  14. Although it was occasionally quoted in early church writings, it was nowhere accepted in a canon. Melito (AD 170) and Origen rejected the Apocrypha, (Eccl. Hist. VI. 25, Eusebius) as does the Muratorian Canon.
  15. Jerome vigorously resisted including the Apocrypha in his Latin Vulgate Version (400 AD), but was overruled. As a result, the standard Roman Catholic Bible throughout the medieval period contained it. Thus, it gradually came to be revered by the average clergyman. Still, many medieval Catholic scholars realized that it was not inspired.
  16. The terms "protocanonical" and "deuterocanonical" are used by Catholics to signify respectively those books of Scripture that were received by the entire Church from the beginning as inspired, and those whose inspiration came to be recognized later, after the matter had been disputed by certain Fathers and local churches.
  17. Pope Damasus (366-384) authorized Jerome to translate the Latin Vulgate. The Council of Carthage declared this translation as "the infallible and authentic Bible." Jerome was the first to describe the extra 7 Old Testament books as the "Apocrypha" (doubtful authenticity). Needless to say, Jerome's Latin Vulgate did not include the Apocrypha.
  18. Cyril (born about A.D. 315) - "Read the divine Scriptures - namely, the 22 books of the Old Testament which the 72 interpreters translated" (the Septuagint)
  19. The apocrypha wasn't included at first in the Septuagint, but was appended by the Alexandrian Jews, and was not listed in any of the catalogues of the inspired books till the 4th century
  20. Hilary (bishop of Poictiers, 350 A.D.) rejected the apocrypha (Prologue to the Psalms, Sec. 15)
  21. Epiphanius (the great opposer of heresy, 360 A.D.) rejected them all. Referring to Wisdom of Solomon & book of Jesus Sirach, he said "These indeed are useful books & profitable, but they are not placed in the number of the canonical." Reasons why the Apocrypha does NOT belong in the Bible!
Canon bible what ever if its deemed to be thought fit to put in there then someone declared it God inspired.. If someone delared it unfit.. then we must also declare other books unfit which backs the book of enoch