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A person can be articulate and extremely will organized with complete knowledge about a subject...and still be wrong because a choice was made to believe a particular position. If we REALLY look at the evidence it does not say that angels and humans produced giants. Because the reality of giants being alive at that time, and also angels and humans giving birth to men of great ability at that time, are both described close to each other, does not give anyone the right to bridge the literal gap that separates the two, and pretend that they are one and the same. Angels and humans producing giants makes a good story so everyone is happy to overlook the fact that the bible does not say that Angels and humans gave birth to giants. The bible says that there were giants in those days...STOP...and then the bible says that angels and humans gave birth to men of renown. TWO DISTINCT AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE. There were the giants and there were the men produced by angels and humans. For more evidence that the giants did not have angel fathers, we go to after the flood and the exact same name is used and it referred to men around 10 feet tall and it lists their giant fathers(not angel fathers). Also, a normal human woman could not bring to term a man that would be 10 foot tall, she would die and so would the baby. So lets study where the giants came from because there is no biblical evidence or common sense that would tell us that the giants had angel fathers.
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I agree it is not inspired as per the experts determinatin, however it does seem that Enoch prophesied what Jude quotes regarding the angels with the exception of the book of Enoch stating millions while Jude states thousands
who knows, that could be a copy error or even a translation error
I take it you believe the sons of God are those who are not from the line of Cain but from the line of Seth
A careful examination will show that is not so but I don't think it's worth loosing peace over
It does better explain just how bad the days of Noah really were though and also explains the visits to earth by beings from the sky in the light of angel visitation rather than beings from another solar system
I don't think any of that detracts from the gospel in any way
This was my original question...where did the giants come from. I see no evidence in the bible or from common sense that the giants had angel fathers. So my question is, did the giants originate from a branch of Adam and later on a branch from Noah, and if so...WHY? We all can see for our selves that a 7 foot basketball player is quite a bit different but still not all that different. I know a 5'8" man that had a 7 foot grandson. We actually have somewhat of a description of the giants in the bible and they seem to be 10 foot or more and of massive build, that is way past anything we have today. What a football player one of those guys would make. If the giants came through the human race what caused their giant size, and if not through the race of Adam then from where?
I have always heard that Goliath was 9'6", where did you get 6'9"? According to the bible Goliath was 6 cubits and a span, I think a cubit was from the finger tips of an average man to the elbow, that was about 18". I have measured myself and from my finger tips to my elbow is right at 18" and I am not very tall. I think there was some Asian woman who was over 8 feet. Folks like that are unique things in nature and have normal parents and are usually weak and do not live long. The giants in the OT were an actual race of people. That one giant had a bed 13X6'. Either he liked a lot of room or else he was vey big.
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Where do YOU think they came from? You said women could not possibly bring them to term. So where did they come from?
I say angels messed around with human genetics to "create"(like the most High). And the bible seems to point to this.
The whole idea that believers mating with unbelievers to create giants is more far fetched than the angel idea.
I say angels messed around with human genetics to "create"(like the most High). And the bible seems to point to this.
The whole idea that believers mating with unbelievers to create giants is more far fetched than the angel idea.
How tall was your regular Israelite? 5 feet tall would give a different cubit measurement than someone six feet tall. Plus, there is variation found in some ancient texts on the matter of Goliath’s height. A Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, records Goliath’s height as four cubits and one span. Current measurements translate this to about six feet, six inches. There are other sources that corroborate the shorter measurement, including one Hebrew text among the Dead Sea Scrolls and the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus. The NET Bible goes with the shorter height, saying that Goliath was “close to seven feet tall” (1 Samuel 17:4). https://www.gotquestions.org/how-tall-was-Goliath.html
Are you just trying to convince yourself that they weren't hybrids? In 2 Sam 21 it talks about the sons of the giant. This means that they were able to reproduce. They had six fingers and six toes on each hand. I'm guessing they weren't all human if at all. Giant in this passage is translated from rapha not nephelim. Maybe nephelim refers to the dinosaurs. I wouldn't get too hung up on it. Maybe the angels were just playing with DNA. You don't have to believe that they had coitus.
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He made a plan with his authorities, which are his powers, and they committed together adultery with Sophia, and bitter fate was begotten through them, which is the last of the changeable bonds. And it is of a sort that is interchangeable. And it is harder and stronger than she with whom the gods united, and the angels and the demons and all the generations until this day. For from that fate came forth every sin and injustice and blasphemy, and the chain of forgetfulness and ignorance and every severe command, and serious sins and great fears. And thus the whole creation was made blind, in order that they may not know God, who is above all of them. And because of the chain of forgetfulness, their sins were hidden. For they are bound with measures and times and moments, since it (fate) is lord over everything. "And he (the chief archon) repented for everything which had come into being through him. This time he planned to bring a flood upon the work of man. But the greatness of the light of the foreknowledge informed Noah, and he proclaimed (it) to all the offspring which are the sons of men. But those who were strangers to him did not listen to him. It is not as Moses said, 'They hid themselves in an ark' (Gn 7: 7), but they hid themselves in a place, not only Noah, but also many other people from the immovable race. They went into a place and hid themselves in a luminous cloud. And he (Noah) recognized his authority, and she who belongs to the light was with him, having shone on them because he (the chief archon) had brought darkness upon the whole earth.
"And he made a plan with his powers. He sent his angels to the daughters of men, that they might take some of them for themselves and raise offspring for their enjoyment. And at first they did not succeed. When they had no success, they gathered together again and they made a plan together. They created a counterfeit spirit, who resembles the Spirit who had descended, so as to pollute the souls through it. And the angels changed themselves in their likeness into the likeness of their mates (the daughters of men), filling them with the spirit of darkness, which they had mixed for them, and with evil...
"And he made a plan with his powers. He sent his angels to the daughters of men, that they might take some of them for themselves and raise offspring for their enjoyment. And at first they did not succeed. When they had no success, they gathered together again and they made a plan together. They created a counterfeit spirit, who resembles the Spirit who had descended, so as to pollute the souls through it. And the angels changed themselves in their likeness into the likeness of their mates (the daughters of men), filling them with the spirit of darkness, which they had mixed for them, and with evil...
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"He made a plan with his authorities, which are his powers, and they committed together adultery with Sophia, and bitter fate was begotten through them, which is the last of the changeable bonds. And it is of a sort that is interchangeable. And it is harder and stronger than she with whom the gods united, and the angels and the demons and all the generations until this day. For from that fate came forth every sin and injustice and blasphemy, and the chain of forgetfulness and ignorance and every severe command, and serious sins and great fears. And thus the whole creation was made blind, in order that they may not know God, who is above all of them. And because of the chain of forgetfulness, their sins were hidden. For they are bound with measures and times and moments, since it (fate) is lord over everything.
"And he (the chief archon) repented for everything which had come into being through him. This time he planned to bring a flood upon the work of man. But the greatness of the light of the foreknowledge informed Noah, and he proclaimed (it) to all the offspring which are the sons of men. But those who were strangers to him did not listen to him. It is not as Moses said, 'They hid themselves in an ark' (Gn 7: 7), but they hid themselves in a place, not only Noah, but also many other people from the immovable race. They went into a place and hid themselves in a luminous cloud. And he (Noah) recognized his authority, and she who belongs to the light was with him, having shone on them because he (the chief archon) had brought darkness upon the whole earth.
"And he made a plan with his powers. He sent his angels to the daughters of men, that they might take some of them for themselves and raise offspring for their enjoyment. And at first they did not succeed. When they had no success, they gathered together again and they made a plan together. They created a counterfeit spirit, who resembles the Spirit who had descended, so as to pollute the souls through it. And the angels changed themselves in their likeness into the likeness of their mates (the daughters of men), filling them with the spirit of darkness, which they had mixed for them, and with evil. They brought gold and silver and a gift and copper and iron and metal and all kinds of things. And they steered the people who had followed them into great troubles, by leading them astray with many deceptions. They (the people) became old without having enjoyment. They died, not having found truth and without knowing the God of truth. And thus the whole creation became enslaved forever, from the foundation of the world until now. And they took women and begot children out of the darkness according to the likeness of their spirit. And they closed their hearts, and they hardened themselves through the hardness of the counterfeit spirit until now....this information is from 'John'
"And he (the chief archon) repented for everything which had come into being through him. This time he planned to bring a flood upon the work of man. But the greatness of the light of the foreknowledge informed Noah, and he proclaimed (it) to all the offspring which are the sons of men. But those who were strangers to him did not listen to him. It is not as Moses said, 'They hid themselves in an ark' (Gn 7: 7), but they hid themselves in a place, not only Noah, but also many other people from the immovable race. They went into a place and hid themselves in a luminous cloud. And he (Noah) recognized his authority, and she who belongs to the light was with him, having shone on them because he (the chief archon) had brought darkness upon the whole earth.
"And he made a plan with his powers. He sent his angels to the daughters of men, that they might take some of them for themselves and raise offspring for their enjoyment. And at first they did not succeed. When they had no success, they gathered together again and they made a plan together. They created a counterfeit spirit, who resembles the Spirit who had descended, so as to pollute the souls through it. And the angels changed themselves in their likeness into the likeness of their mates (the daughters of men), filling them with the spirit of darkness, which they had mixed for them, and with evil. They brought gold and silver and a gift and copper and iron and metal and all kinds of things. And they steered the people who had followed them into great troubles, by leading them astray with many deceptions. They (the people) became old without having enjoyment. They died, not having found truth and without knowing the God of truth. And thus the whole creation became enslaved forever, from the foundation of the world until now. And they took women and begot children out of the darkness according to the likeness of their spirit. And they closed their hearts, and they hardened themselves through the hardness of the counterfeit spirit until now....this information is from 'John'