Georgia couple sentenced for terroristic threats towards children

[Sirk]

I have been called cracker.......and I did not get offended....actually said you got that right and for the record I AM A SALTINE Cracker........our society is way sensitive and easily offended.....what ever happened to "sticks and stones can break our bones, but words will never hurt us"

I was a white kid on an Indian reservation. I've been called all manner of names based on the fact I was white. I was a minority and was mistreated. In 6th grade I was chased home every day after school by 4 or 5 Indian kids..... Until the day I stopped and fought back. Then they all became my friends. And the ones who aren't dead still are.

 

[Sully]

I was a white kid on an Indian reservation. I've been called all manner of names based on the fact I was white. I was a minority and was mistreated. In 6th grade I was chased home every day after school by 4 or 5 Indian kids..... Until the day I stopped and fought back. Then they all became my friends. And the ones who aren't dead still are.

I love the melting pot that is America.

 

[dcontroversal]

I was a white kid on an Indian reservation. I've been called all manner of names based on the fact I was white. I was a minority and was mistreated. In 6th grade I was chased home every day after school by 4 or 5 Indian kids..... Until the day I stopped and fought back. Then they all became my friends. And the ones who aren't dead still are.

Awesome.....I have several black friends and hey call me the N word with an "ig"........does not offend me at all........Yeah..I smacked a few kids growing up myself......I pitched in baseball and would roll my shoulder....I flattened more than one nose and blacked both eyes with one punch HAHAH not too many people messed with me in school.....

 

[HoneyDew]

They were stupid for that act. Someone could have been killed. You just don't go pointing guns at people, it's not funny and it's not a game. Just who did they think they were? He could have gotten himself and/or his friends killed. Leave people alone who are not bothering you, period. The graveyard is full of instigators I'm sure.

Freedom of speech, fine think, say what you will but you do not have the right to harass, bully and terrorize people. How would they have liked it if someone did it to THEIR kids. Some humans really are horrible creatures.

Tough enough to do it, be tough enough to handle the consequence.

Terrorize- create and maintain a state of extreme fear and distress in (someone); fill with terror.

 

[GaryA]

Freedom of speech is one thing, insulting people is a completely different thing and should be punished.

No - insulting people is not a completely different thing. And, no punishment should ever be given because of words-only; there must additionally always be provable-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt intent and / or action...

For those of you who do not understand Freedom of Speech - especially from a letter-of-the-law versus a spirit-of-the-law comparitive perspective - let me explain...

It is your "perfect right" to yell "Fire!" in a theater; however, you are also responsible for the direct results of your actions. Therefore, there may be consequences for what you have done ( caused to bring about ); however, there should NEVER be [ direct ] consequences for what you have said.

Understand?

Words versus Actions.

Punishment for 'words' is a letter-of-the-law concept.

Punishment for 'actions' is a spirit-of-the-law concept.

Unlike the letter-of-the-law position, spirit-of-the-law includes the idea of 'intent'.

And, 'intent' involves 'action' -- i.e. - your intent to perform an action - to do something.

Freedom of Speech is about protecting you from being punished based on what you say.

However, no matter what you say - you are still responsible for the results of your actions.

If you insult someone ( "words-only" ), but no "real harm" has been done -- no law-based punishment should be inflicted.

If you say something -- and, it somehow brings irreparable damage to someone -- now it involves 'action' ( in this 'legal' context ).


The moment you allow the letter-of-the-law to punish 'words', "everybody is up-the-creek-without-a-paddle"...

Placing a 'legal' consequence on someone [ merely ] "speaking" is the epitome of irresponsible in the context of society.

And threatening kids (no matter what they are, white, black, christian, muslim etc.) with a shotgun is disgusting and should be considered terrorism and punished with life in prison.

Is it wong? Yes.

Should there be consequences? Certainly.

Should it be labeled as 'terrorism'? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! Absolutely not!

You don't realize what you are saying...

 

[Sully]

I have been called cracker.......and I did not get offended....actually said you got that right and for the record I AM A SALTINE Cracker........our society is way sensitive and easily offended.....what ever happened to "sticks and stones can break our bones, but words will never hurt us"

I was asked to "play that funky music white boy" a few times. That's when I discovered the James Gang. Joe Walsh taught me to "funk" despite my paleness.

 

[GaryA]

If we criticized our government officials they could easily claim to feel disrespected. I know I'd be cautious about what I'd say about them if I could be punished for it. It would make giving an honest opinion a potential violation of the law.

Freedom of Speech is [ also ] about being protected from punishment if we should criticize our government officials.

 

[Smoke]

The user wsblind said this in post 17:

"It looks contrived to me. Say children were involved and make everybody believe it......slam dunk case no matter what.

Call em terrorists, so the next time a cracker drives by a black party and yells something that hurts peoples sensibilities we can fry em for terrorists acts, when in actuality they were just stupid and exercising their freedom of speech.

This case is to perfect. It has everything in it that the left uses to try to portray the white majority as.

A bunch of black hating,children hating, stupid kkk trash. It seems contrived in many ways."



I put in bold the part in which yelling insults at someone is mistaken for freedom of speech. If someone called you, your wife and your kids insulting names and you would sue him, you should win, because you and your family have the right to not be insulted.

I can get what you're saying. In the spiritual perspective, I can't even argue with what you've said. We should always treat each other with love and respect. Criticize with the expectation and intent on being constructive and not malicious. It makes sense in the spiritual law but not in the civil law. Kind of like "all sin is equal" makes sense in the spiritual law but not in this world. We can't lock someone up in prison for going 5 miles per hour over the speed limit; it's not the same as capital punishment nor would it be a wise decision to legislate just because it's consistent with our Christian spiritual law.

 

[GaryA]

Than this chat is ridiculous. Because you get punished (you get banned which is a sort of punishemnt) for verbal insult or verbal offense. Without the quotation marks.

No. You would get banned because of the [ understood ] 'intent' behind what you said - but not for the 'words' that you said.

Understand the difference?

The 'offense' would not be the words themselves -- it would be "being discourteous" - or whatever you would do ( 'action' ) that "crossed the line" of the site rules.

And, in a lot of cases, it rests in - and is based on - 'intent'.

 

[GaryA]

If someone called you, your wife and your kids insulting names and you would sue him, you should win, because you and your family have the right to not be insulted.

Only in one sense do people have the "right" to not be insulted. However, we are speaking about 'legal' terms here, are we not? In the "big picture", seeking reparation / restitution / recompense for being insulted is its own wrong-doing...

( I am not speaking of 'libel', which requires more-than-words... )

 

[Magenta]

I was asked to "play that funky music white boy" a few times. That's when I discovered the James Gang. Joe Walsh taught me to "funk" despite my paleness.

Rides Again will always be among my faves

[video=youtube;byemtlXKTYU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byemtlXKTYU&index=119&list=LLTvu-xnvRSiHowl6ulOSgsw[/video]

 

[wsblind]

Freedom of speech is one thing, insulting people is a completely different thing and should be punished. And threatening kids (no matter what they are, white, black, christian, muslim etc.) with a shotgun is disgusting and should be considered terrorism and punished with life in prison.
It's good the couple got jail. They have a lot of time to really repent for what they did and understand that life is too short to hate.

I wonder who really is doing the hate. So insulting someone should be punished?

I wonder if they actually threatened the kids.

I suspect, they didn't really have a case and USED( they don't care about the kids, it's their agenda they care about) the kids to further their case and the EXAMPLE they wanted to set.

To be a white man in this society anymore is dangerous. They have all the blacks hating us when the majority of us would kick butt for them, and the judicial system SCARED SH@tless to defend us. But of course, I am a racist for calling a spade a spade.

 

[Sully]

Rides Again will always be among my faves

The funk that can't be taught, it must be brought out from within.

 

[GaryA]

I can get what you're saying. In the spiritual perspective, I can't even argue with what you've said. We should always treat each other with love and respect. Criticize with the expectation and intent on being constructive and not malicious. It makes sense in the spiritual law but not in the civil law. Kind of like "all sin is equal" makes sense in the spiritual law but not in this world. We can't lock someone up in prison for going 5 miles per hour over the speed limit; it's not the same as capital punishment nor would it be a wise decision to legislate just because it's consistent with our Christian spiritual law.

True, that...

The reason we cannot do as God does is because we are not God.

So then, we should "temper" our legislation with a spirit-of-the-law perspective - and allowing letter-of-the-law perspective to rule only in the most absolutely necessary proven cut-and-dry cases...

 

[HoneyDew]

I wonder who really is doing the hate. So insulting someone should be punished?

I wonder if they actually threatened the kids.

I suspect, they didn't really have a case and USED( they don't care about the kids, it's their agenda they care about) the kids to further their case and the EXAMPLE they wanted to set.

To be a white man in this society anymore is dangerous. They have all the blacks hating us when the majority of us would kick butt for them, and the judicial system SCARED SH@tless to defend us. But of course, I am a racist for calling a spade a spade.

"The convoy of trucks passed by the victim's residence where the victims were grilling hot dogs and hamburgers while hosting a child's birthday party featuring a bouncy castle, snow-cone machines, and a DJ," the district attorney's office posted on its official Facebook page.
The party-goers said the people in the trucks yelled racial slurs as they passed, the statement said.
The drivers parked the trucks near the house, prosecutors said. Torres was part of a smaller group that "threatened to kill the party goers while repeatedly using derogatory racial slurs against them," said the statement.
"Torres, who had retrieved a shotgun from his vehicle, pointed his shotgun at the group of African American party-goers and stated he was going to kill them while his co-defendants stated that 'the little ones can get one too,' referring to the young children at the party," the statement said.

The people were at their residence at a party for children. Why did the convoy stop? Why didn't they just keep going? Had they done that, they would be free today. On top of that brandish a deadly weapon and threaten minors and young kids at that since they had castles and such at the party.

 

[wsblind]

I never said that insulting was the same as threatening.

Also, I don't believe that insulting is the same as offending. Offending is vague, I agree. Insulting is when you say bad words to a person.

But I do believe that both (insult and threatening) should be punished, but not with the same punishment, of course.

So, you wrote a long comment almost in vain because you argue about offense and I am talking about insults.

Wsblind is in disbelief and said that maybe the couple didn't threaten the children but was merely "exercising their freedom of speech" by yelling insults at those children. Please, we are all grownup christians here and we know that insulting someone is not the same as freedom of speech.

At least that's what I understood from wsblind's comment.

I am not in disbelief. Read my posts carefully. I am saying I would not be surprised if this was a lynching of the folks involved.

What's the testimony of the kids involved? Or is it based upon what charged up adults said that were completely offended and KNOW exactly what to say to the public to get em fried.

Listen.......... I would not be surprised if this was contrived in a LOT of ways. I am NOT saying that it IS contrived.

 

[Sully]

I am not in disbelief. Read my posts carefully. I am saying I would not be surprised if this was a lynching of the folks involved.

What's the testimony of the kids involved? Or is it based upon what charged up adults said that were completely offended and KNOW exactly what to say to the public to get em fried.

Listen.......... I would not be surprised if this was contrived in a LOT of ways. I am NOT saying that it IS contrived.

Like Fake News? Let's have this thread moved to "Conspiracy". Not even being facetious, that's how the spell works.

 

[wsblind]

The user wsblind said this in post 17:

"It looks contrived to me. Say children were involved and make everybody believe it......slam dunk case no matter what.

Call em terrorists, so the next time a cracker drives by a black party and yells something that hurts peoples sensibilities we can fry em for terrorists acts, when in actuality they were just stupid and exercising their freedom of speech.

This case is to perfect. It has everything in it that the left uses to try to portray the white majority as.

A bunch of black hating,children hating, stupid kkk trash. It seems contrived in many ways."



I put in bold the part in which yelling insults at someone is mistaken for freedom of speech. If someone called you, your wife and your kids insulting names and you would sue him, you should win, because you and your family have the right to not be insulted.

Anyone has the right to insult me and my family. Threatening is different. Why would I sue a dippity do for insulting me and my family? Probably wouldn't have much more than a fake tooth,a forty and monopoly money.

The Crux..........the Government wants to shut down EVERYBODY from saying anything negative about it. So we have an all powerful, centralized Government that rules the people with an Iron fist. Take individual liberty away first by dividing the people, and they have a cake walk to RULE us.

 

[wsblind]

Freedom of Speech is [ also ] about being protected from punishment if we should criticize our government officials.

This is the ultimate Goal. Get the "stoopid sitzens" against each other, and get them to shut down freedom of speech and their liberties. They have a cake walk after we have destroyed each other and individual liberty.


All under the guise of sensibilities,feelings and emotions. Man, it is hard to watch.


But the hand writing is on the wall. We are not going to fix it. But Someone comes back to fix it.

 

[Magenta]

Anyone has the right to insult me and my family. Threatening is different. Why would I sue a dippity do for insulting me and my family? Probably wouldn't have much more than a fake tooth,a forty and monopoly money.

The Crux..........the Government wants to shut down EVERYBODY from saying anything negative about it. So we have an all powerful, centralized Government that rules the people with an Iron fist. Take individual liberty away first by dividing the people, and they have a cake walk to RULE us.

I get what you are saying. It is happening, too. Blasphemy laws and criminal charges for telling the truth about Mohammed and Islam, while Islamic jihadis continue to perpetrate the acts of violence called for in their Satanic book, while people still call it a religion of peace, though the Muslim ideal is an adulterous war mongering pedophile.