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I do appreciate the snide comments and arrogance, truly. Your internet boldness is truly a testament to your character. If you don't want to participate, feel free to move along and ignore. That's the beauty of freewill. Feel free to use yours! Like I said, this is to help me prepare a class structure AND to endeavor to study the Bible more both for personal enrichment and to be able to spread the Gospel.
@Sully haha, I didn't even catch that. My handle has nothing to do with a person's ego. I played paintball for several years when I was younger and the marker that I used was called an Ego. Just a good memory and I enjoy it for online handles.
@Desertsrose Hey! That is a good question. The Lord's Church refers to the one, and only one, church that Christ built on Earth while he was physically present on Earth. It is not a denomination. Denominations are a man made classification system and not a scriptural one. We in the Lord's Church are a New Testament church. We believe that we speak when the Bible speaks and are silent where the Bible is silent. We believe baptism for the remission of sins to be an essential part of the Gospel's plan of Salvation, we believe in the unity and oneness in God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit, we believe the Lord's Supper is observed on the first, and only first, day of the week, we don't believe in instrumental music in worship. Those would be the big ones, feel free to ask for clarification on anything else I didn't cover that you would like to know!
@Sully haha, I didn't even catch that. My handle has nothing to do with a person's ego. I played paintball for several years when I was younger and the marker that I used was called an Ego. Just a good memory and I enjoy it for online handles.
@Desertsrose Hey! That is a good question. The Lord's Church refers to the one, and only one, church that Christ built on Earth while he was physically present on Earth. It is not a denomination. Denominations are a man made classification system and not a scriptural one. We in the Lord's Church are a New Testament church. We believe that we speak when the Bible speaks and are silent where the Bible is silent. We believe baptism for the remission of sins to be an essential part of the Gospel's plan of Salvation, we believe in the unity and oneness in God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit, we believe the Lord's Supper is observed on the first, and only first, day of the week, we don't believe in instrumental music in worship. Those would be the big ones, feel free to ask for clarification on anything else I didn't cover that you would like to know!
Hi Ego788,
Two things:
1. Where in the Bible does it state that the Lord's Supper should only be observed on the first day of the week. I Cor 11:25 says "...do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me..." (emphasis mine)
2. Do you believe the Old Testament to be completely tossed? Completely irrelevant? If not, then why no instruments in worship? (See Psalm 150)
Two things:
1. Where in the Bible does it state that the Lord's Supper should only be observed on the first day of the week. I Cor 11:25 says "...do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me..." (emphasis mine)
2. Do you believe the Old Testament to be completely tossed? Completely irrelevant? If not, then why no instruments in worship? (See Psalm 150)
I wonder if it has to do with the fact that she was rejected five times, and her present man was not her husband. I read that the Samaritans only accepted the first five books of scripture. In the law, only a husband can divorce, and no need for a reason.
Jesus, being a Jew, did not despise her or reject her because of her present state. He discerned her hearts cry I believe.
Sorry, didn't know you all went a different way. This is in response to Atlanta..
Jesus, being a Jew, did not despise her or reject her because of her present state. He discerned her hearts cry I believe.
Sorry, didn't know you all went a different way. This is in response to Atlanta..
I do not want to be a smartbutt,but I will.You will not be very liked if you can answer a lot of questions,and will not get a whole lot of likes unless you dumb yourself down,because you know how people are with jealousy,and envy,and some will say,It would be nice if someone could explain the hard to understand book of Revelation,but if you do understand it they do not care,because they can't stand the fact that they do not understand it.
So have a good time,and remember dumb yourself down,do not act like you know a whole lot,and make mistakes in your spelling from time to time,and act like I did not know that,for a lot of people do not like a person that is that knowledgeable of the Bible,and will consider you a show off,but that is their flesh,unless you are showing off,which I refuse to dumb myself down,and do things contrary to my best,so I can be liked.For I will stand alone,all by my lonesome,if that is the way it is.
It is like a wife that has to dumb herself down,cannot do her best,and be all she can be,because the egotistical,arrogant,husband,will get jealous,and it will hurt his itty bitty ego.
Mat 13:53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.
Mat 13:54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mat 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Mat 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
Mat 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Luk 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
A prophet is without honor in his own country,and his own house,and why is that,I'm glad you asked.
Because a nation,and a household,grow up with the same ideas,the same principles,the same religious ways,the same traditions,you get the picture,and when someone starts talking contrary to the standard procedure of what everybody goes by,they will say,are you crazy for where does this talk and beliefs come from,or who do you think you are for do you think you are better than us,more wise than us,smarter than us,for how can we not attain to these words you speak,and know them,so how do you being a person that grew up among us know things such as that,or you do not know what you are talking about,which was the case with Jesus who had a new thing going on,and they said,what,where cometh this knowledge,how do you speak such things,but it has not entered our mind.
Which that does not totally apply to what I said about dumb yourself down,but this is a web site,and everybody adheres to the Bible,and if you were to be able to answer everything about the Bible perfectly,thoroughly,plainly,and presentable,a lot of people would not like it,and also it would go against a lot of people's beliefs.
So have fun,dumb yourself down,act as if you do not know that much,and make spelling errors,and ask questions like you do not know,even if you do,and you will be liked,and talk more about food,and books,and fitness,and such,and you will be very liked,for you probably can get away with appearing as having some knowledge in those areas,but maybe not,unless you do not care if anybody likes you,and are going to do the best you can,and I say that is the wisest choice.
Like I said,sorry for being a smartbutt,but I know human nature.
So have a good time,and remember dumb yourself down,do not act like you know a whole lot,and make mistakes in your spelling from time to time,and act like I did not know that,for a lot of people do not like a person that is that knowledgeable of the Bible,and will consider you a show off,but that is their flesh,unless you are showing off,which I refuse to dumb myself down,and do things contrary to my best,so I can be liked.For I will stand alone,all by my lonesome,if that is the way it is.
It is like a wife that has to dumb herself down,cannot do her best,and be all she can be,because the egotistical,arrogant,husband,will get jealous,and it will hurt his itty bitty ego.
Mat 13:53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.
Mat 13:54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mat 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Mat 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
Mat 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Luk 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
A prophet is without honor in his own country,and his own house,and why is that,I'm glad you asked.
Because a nation,and a household,grow up with the same ideas,the same principles,the same religious ways,the same traditions,you get the picture,and when someone starts talking contrary to the standard procedure of what everybody goes by,they will say,are you crazy for where does this talk and beliefs come from,or who do you think you are for do you think you are better than us,more wise than us,smarter than us,for how can we not attain to these words you speak,and know them,so how do you being a person that grew up among us know things such as that,or you do not know what you are talking about,which was the case with Jesus who had a new thing going on,and they said,what,where cometh this knowledge,how do you speak such things,but it has not entered our mind.
Which that does not totally apply to what I said about dumb yourself down,but this is a web site,and everybody adheres to the Bible,and if you were to be able to answer everything about the Bible perfectly,thoroughly,plainly,and presentable,a lot of people would not like it,and also it would go against a lot of people's beliefs.
So have fun,dumb yourself down,act as if you do not know that much,and make spelling errors,and ask questions like you do not know,even if you do,and you will be liked,and talk more about food,and books,and fitness,and such,and you will be very liked,for you probably can get away with appearing as having some knowledge in those areas,but maybe not,unless you do not care if anybody likes you,and are going to do the best you can,and I say that is the wisest choice.
Like I said,sorry for being a smartbutt,but I know human nature.
Church of Christ... I dated a CofC girl when I got out of the Navy. They are very nice and dedicated folks. I could tell there was something wrong but it took me a long time to really put my finger on it. Their faith is in the actual ACT of water baptism, they believe that the act of water baptism causes God to forgive sins and give the Holy Spirit. Because their faith is more in the act of water baptism then in Jesus granting mercy, therefore God does not respond to their actions. Many deny the Holy Spirit, saying the Spirit is simply the written word.
Hey, I have even challenged Church of Christ bible teachers on the radio and TV, I actually had one fellow read my letter over the air. Church of Christ folks really know the bible, they are somewhat like the Catholic folks in that they believe that their organization is actually the only real church. I have met folks in this organization that I believe to be real Christians, however they did not conform to all Church of Christ beliefs. They have great bible knowledge but in most cases not the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Like no honoring nor glorifying the Holy Spirit in worship since the Holy Spirit in us is leading us to only honor the Son to glorify the Son if we expect to honor & glorify God the Father as well in worship? John 5:22-23 & John 13:31-32
I believe that is an error, there, brother. Mayhap time for the church to prove or to reprove that doctrine. Here's why;
Acts 10:[SUP]43 [/SUP]To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.[SUP]44 [/SUP]While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
That is how the Gentiles were saved by believing in Him to receive the remission of sins and thereby receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at their salvation. That was before water baptism and so it is not water baptism that brings about remission of sins.
So when we look at how the Jews were saved... since there is no other gospel, we need His wisdom to read that rightly;
Acts 2:[SUP]36 [/SUP]Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Here, we read that Peter pointed out the truth to these Jews that had crucified Jesus Christ for not believing in Him from which they were convicted and asked what they were to do after committing an act of unbelief for having crucified Him.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Repent from unbelief to believe in Him. That is how Acts 2 event lines up with Acts 10 event in not being another gospel on how we are saved. The promise of the Holy Spirit is for all those that call on God that believe in Him to be saved. That is why it was never about water baptism when the promise of the Spirit is on all those that call; not on being water baptized.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.[SUP]17 [/SUP]For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God....[SUP]21 [/SUP]For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
So water baptism is not the means on how a believer receives the remission of sins, but believing in Him does.
You may need to clarify that; is it that you believe that the titles of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is a One Person One God kind of belief or are you saying that each of the Person of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are united as the 3 divine Witnesses that makes up the Triune God?
There is no commandment to ONLY observe the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week. It is a testified in the N.T. that it has been practiced on the first day of the week, but certainly not commanded to do so on that day. The Bible is silent on that, right? So why infer it as a commandment to do only on that day?
Ephesians 5:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Harps are musical instruments referenced a lot in making melodies to the Lord; even in Heaven in Revelation at this link;
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=harp&qs_version=KJV
I have read this...
John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.[SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Does your church "reform" whenever necessary in proving everything by Him in scripture as kept in the KJV so as to keep bearing fruits as His disciples like the latter part of verse 2 says or is it like most churches that refuse to do any major change in their beliefs, and so sweep every Biblical contention under the rug so as to not make any waves?
I believe that is an error, there, brother. Mayhap time for the church to prove or to reprove that doctrine. Here's why;
Acts 10:[SUP]43 [/SUP]To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.[SUP]44 [/SUP]While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
That is how the Gentiles were saved by believing in Him to receive the remission of sins and thereby receive the promise of the Holy Spirit at their salvation. That was before water baptism and so it is not water baptism that brings about remission of sins.
So when we look at how the Jews were saved... since there is no other gospel, we need His wisdom to read that rightly;
Acts 2:[SUP]36 [/SUP]Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Here, we read that Peter pointed out the truth to these Jews that had crucified Jesus Christ for not believing in Him from which they were convicted and asked what they were to do after committing an act of unbelief for having crucified Him.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Repent from unbelief to believe in Him. That is how Acts 2 event lines up with Acts 10 event in not being another gospel on how we are saved. The promise of the Holy Spirit is for all those that call on God that believe in Him to be saved. That is why it was never about water baptism when the promise of the Spirit is on all those that call; not on being water baptized.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.[SUP]17 [/SUP]For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God....[SUP]21 [/SUP]For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
So water baptism is not the means on how a believer receives the remission of sins, but believing in Him does.
You may need to clarify that; is it that you believe that the titles of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is a One Person One God kind of belief or are you saying that each of the Person of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are united as the 3 divine Witnesses that makes up the Triune God?
There is no commandment to ONLY observe the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week. It is a testified in the N.T. that it has been practiced on the first day of the week, but certainly not commanded to do so on that day. The Bible is silent on that, right? So why infer it as a commandment to do only on that day?
Ephesians 5:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Harps are musical instruments referenced a lot in making melodies to the Lord; even in Heaven in Revelation at this link;
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=harp&qs_version=KJV
I have read this...
John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.[SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Does your church "reform" whenever necessary in proving everything by Him in scripture as kept in the KJV so as to keep bearing fruits as His disciples like the latter part of verse 2 says or is it like most churches that refuse to do any major change in their beliefs, and so sweep every Biblical contention under the rug so as to not make any waves?
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The Quakers seem to be the same, there was a Quaker at my place of work, they didn't
have sermons either, she told me they all sat in silence and people would speak out
as they received words from God to say.
They basically took a meditative principle and a few bible verses and turned it into a
denomination and way of doing church.
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In the Old Testament, the worship team was at the front of the battle!
Denominations who don't have music are missing out on something absolutely
vital. I wonder if they will give their harp back in heaven.
Revelation 5:8 NKJV
[8] Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the
twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden
bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Revelation 15:2 NKJV
[2] And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those
who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark
and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God.
To the OP, I'm not being sarcastic, it's just that if you want to lead a bible
study, you have to study the bible and believe the word of God, rather than believe man
made rules.
One of the signs of a mature Christian is that they can put aside man made religion.
As a child I was told many things in Sunday school. As an adult I realised that
while it came with good intentions, a lot of it was wrong. Search out the answers for
yourself, rather than just believing what others tell you is right.
Denominations who don't have music are missing out on something absolutely
vital. I wonder if they will give their harp back in heaven.
Revelation 5:8 NKJV
[8] Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the
twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden
bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Revelation 15:2 NKJV
[2] And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those
who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark
and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God.
To the OP, I'm not being sarcastic, it's just that if you want to lead a bible
study, you have to study the bible and believe the word of God, rather than believe man
made rules.
One of the signs of a mature Christian is that they can put aside man made religion.
As a child I was told many things in Sunday school. As an adult I realised that
while it came with good intentions, a lot of it was wrong. Search out the answers for
yourself, rather than just believing what others tell you is right.
it's a matter of speaking where the Bible is silent.
or to put another way, speaking contrary to what the Bible says when it speaks...
this reality being in opposition to what Ego has stated.
see, the COC has spoken a command not to use musical instruments, where no such command exists anywhere in scripture: speaking where the scripture is silent.
the COC line is that it is sinful to use musical instruments since there is not a direct command to use a physical instrument in the new testament gospels or epistles ((notwithstanding the NT command to speak to one another in psalms, an obvious reference to the book of Psalms, which includes dozens of direct commands to praise God with instrumental music)).
COC as an whole is divided on the issue however: some COC are not against music, and some are.
such an idea is not confined to recent centuries. historically, for many centuries the RCC did not use instruments in their congregational worship, in some ways to distinguish itself both from Jewish temple ceremony ((which according to scripture, certainly did involve instruments)) and from pagan worship practices. it's not clear to me that there was ever a ban among earlier believers on musical instruments - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
some COC thinkers go so far as to claim that David was introducing heresy and worship of pagan gods and of the sun, moon and planets when he introduced music in worship ((though we see in Exodus the Hebrews praising, dancing and singing with timbrels, i.e., David is not the first appearance of musical instruments in worship)) - and claim based on their injunction against instrumentation that the Psalms themselves are in large part heretical. see, in order to hold completely to their opposition to music, they must reject ever instance in scripture where music is approved. but most COC, as far as i know, either don't think about it that deeply, or are satisfied in believing that in the new testament era, what is approved by God for worship is different than what was approved by God before, and different from what will be approved by God in the future ((because in Revelation also we see the use of musical instruments to praise God)).
they believe we're in a short period of time in which by being included in Christ, God has taken away certain freedom to worship Him. there is specific mention of musical instruments in worship in the OT, and of the same in Revelation referring to the future, but since there's no specific mention in the record of the ministry of Christ on earth or in the epistles written over the first few decades after the cross, the COC adds a law to the scripture that bans its practice.
a law found nowhere in scripture.
a "law" that must be temporary, since in the new heavens and on the new earth, we will praise Him with instruments ((Revelation 4:8, 14:2, 15:2)).
or to put another way, speaking contrary to what the Bible says when it speaks...
this reality being in opposition to what Ego has stated.
see, the COC has spoken a command not to use musical instruments, where no such command exists anywhere in scripture: speaking where the scripture is silent.
the COC line is that it is sinful to use musical instruments since there is not a direct command to use a physical instrument in the new testament gospels or epistles ((notwithstanding the NT command to speak to one another in psalms, an obvious reference to the book of Psalms, which includes dozens of direct commands to praise God with instrumental music)).
COC as an whole is divided on the issue however: some COC are not against music, and some are.
such an idea is not confined to recent centuries. historically, for many centuries the RCC did not use instruments in their congregational worship, in some ways to distinguish itself both from Jewish temple ceremony ((which according to scripture, certainly did involve instruments)) and from pagan worship practices. it's not clear to me that there was ever a ban among earlier believers on musical instruments - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
some COC thinkers go so far as to claim that David was introducing heresy and worship of pagan gods and of the sun, moon and planets when he introduced music in worship ((though we see in Exodus the Hebrews praising, dancing and singing with timbrels, i.e., David is not the first appearance of musical instruments in worship)) - and claim based on their injunction against instrumentation that the Psalms themselves are in large part heretical. see, in order to hold completely to their opposition to music, they must reject ever instance in scripture where music is approved. but most COC, as far as i know, either don't think about it that deeply, or are satisfied in believing that in the new testament era, what is approved by God for worship is different than what was approved by God before, and different from what will be approved by God in the future ((because in Revelation also we see the use of musical instruments to praise God)).
they believe we're in a short period of time in which by being included in Christ, God has taken away certain freedom to worship Him. there is specific mention of musical instruments in worship in the OT, and of the same in Revelation referring to the future, but since there's no specific mention in the record of the ministry of Christ on earth or in the epistles written over the first few decades after the cross, the COC adds a law to the scripture that bans its practice.
a law found nowhere in scripture.
a "law" that must be temporary, since in the new heavens and on the new earth, we will praise Him with instruments ((Revelation 4:8, 14:2, 15:2)).
This is true of some CoC congregations......maybe even many? However, I learned many years ago from a good friend who was CoC, that there are as many different CoC's as there are Baptists churches/congregations/differing views/teachings.
He would always laugh at posts like this and say:
"You mean SIGN OUT FRONT CHURCH OF CHRIST right?"
just saying
He would always laugh at posts like this and say:
"You mean SIGN OUT FRONT CHURCH OF CHRIST right?"
just saying
I am a member of the Church or Christ and this rings true, for the most part.
We are taught that we are saved by baptism, but if you continue to listen you will realize that we do not really believe it. It's hard to say it clearly and adequately, but the teaching leans towards baptism-grace-works. Hear, believe, repent, confess, and be baptized - you are likely to hear this after attending for a short time, occasionally followed by "and live a Christian life. I don't really have a problem with "Hear, Believe, Repent, Confess, and Be Baptized", but I am not comfortable with our "understanding" of baptism. I remember the "what ifs.." from my younger years. We would ask questions like "What if you died while you were on your way to be baptized?", as if God is not able to save because someone died while they were on their way to be baptized.
But, being a member of the CofC, I do not believe everything that I hear at the church building. So I try not to assume someone's beliefs because of the group they worship with (even though it tends to be a good indication).
We are taught that we are saved by baptism, but if you continue to listen you will realize that we do not really believe it. It's hard to say it clearly and adequately, but the teaching leans towards baptism-grace-works. Hear, believe, repent, confess, and be baptized - you are likely to hear this after attending for a short time, occasionally followed by "and live a Christian life. I don't really have a problem with "Hear, Believe, Repent, Confess, and Be Baptized", but I am not comfortable with our "understanding" of baptism. I remember the "what ifs.." from my younger years. We would ask questions like "What if you died while you were on your way to be baptized?", as if God is not able to save because someone died while they were on their way to be baptized.
But, being a member of the CofC, I do not believe everything that I hear at the church building. So I try not to assume someone's beliefs because of the group they worship with (even though it tends to be a good indication
).I just read posthuman's comment on post #36, and I am sure that he will remember that this is another belief that I don't not hold. The CofC that I attend has been bringing this up a lot lately. It really gets under my skin. I have no desire to try to get instrumental music in our services. I just get tired of the condemning tone with which it is addressed. Posthuman is correct that there is no direct command, and I would even go as far as to say a better argument could be made (biblically) for musical instruments than there is to be made against.