You Dont Need to Believe the Bible to Be a Christian

[Desertsrose]

What about some of the people in other countries who have never heard of Jesus, much less ever even seen or read a bible??

Hey blue,

For those who haven't heard of Jesus or read the bible resembles me before I became a Christian. The weird thing with me is that we so happened to have a bible in our home. I don't know why.

I did read about a certain topic because someone told me that God didn't like and even hated divorce. Not even knowing the Lord yet, I was convicted.

Romans 1 says that all will be without excuse. There's a inner witness to the fact that there's a God which would lead them to truth and there's an out witness, the witness of creation that tells us there's a God.

To me, that's the whole point. God's word can come in many different ways, but none of them should be say one way is better than other while on this side of heaven.

I love the parables because Jesus took real circumstances of life like the seed and the sower to demonstrate truth to us.

And it's still ongoing through the power of the Holy Spirit. Just like the thread I posted about strawberry jam on the boys shirt. God spoke about sin through strawberry jam.

I believe the danger of what Kayla shared with this particular article and Maxwell being the great berean that he is shows us a way that satan works.

He takes a little bit of truth to try to get Christians to think that the bible isn't that important. The author of the article is devaluing the bible.

So what if people can be born again without the bible. But they can't be saved without the message that's written in the bible.

So let's not buy into the ridiculousness of this article. God's word is God's word. It comes to us through the written word, by the Holy Spirit, by creation itself. It's written, it's verbal, it's the quiet voice within. We can agree that they're all important.

And the point is they are all God breathed. God gave life to His word, but in all of the ways that God speaks, none will have any effect on a hard-hearted heart that rejects Him when they hear or read His word.

Hebrews 4:12,13
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

 

[Zmouth]

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: John 10:27

 

[kaylagrl]

1. I agree.

2. However... that isn't what the article was about.


We have 2 different things going on.
A. What the actual article was about (believing the bible at all).
B. A separatie issue about whether you need to have read the bible to be a christian.

These are 2 completely different issues.
I'm only suggesting we discuss them as 2 separate issues... because they are.

Just popped in for a minute.Beautiful day,headed to the part with hubby and the dogs. Er walking the dogs,not hubby.

Yes,there really are two discussions to be had. Believing the Bible and what place does the Bible hold in the life of a Christian.Will be back later to discuss some of the posts.

 

[JIMBO43]

So I found this link from my brother in law who responded to these people online. They are saying that you dont need a Bible to be a Christian. If I press them they say the Bible is useful but not necessary to the life of a Christian. Heres a link to what the believe...

How Can You Call Yourselves Christian When You Don't Believe in the Bible?

What would you say in answer to this?

Well it is said that there is nothing that the holy spirit can teach you that man cant...

Even jesus confessed to being under the law of the holy spirit..

 

[Depleted]

Well if Peter and John were unlearned and ignorant then they hadn't read the Bible, yet they believed in the Bible. At the same time they were put to the trial by the rulers and elders and scribes, even the high priest Annas and his family, whose jobs imply they had read the Bible, but evidently did not believe what was written in it.

There were generations of people who learned to read with McGuffey's Primers. I learn to read with Fun with Dick and Jane. ("See Spot run. Run, Spot, run.") Earlier generations learned to read with the bible.

There was no bible when Peter and John live. There were The Scrolls, what we now call The Old Testament. That's what everyone in Judah learned. That was schooling to them. Where does everyone get they were uneducated back then? Unable to read? Those days didn't happen until another thousand years after that. Not then. And that's why it was called The Dark Ages. Darken because people were taught they weren't important enough to learn to read.

 

[Depleted]

Well but there's the obvious problem, the High Priest Annas and his family, the scribes, rulers, and elders all read the same book and were amazed at John and Peter whom were unlearned and ignorant.

How is it that they would be amazed or even try to straightly charge Peter and John not to teach in Jesus' name if they also had read the Bible?

They were unlearned -- as in, they weren't students of the scrolls. They didn't spend night and day studying every scroll and then every targum. They weren't indoctrinated into Phariseeism.

 

[maxwel]

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them,

You have sheep?

 

[Willie-T]

There were generations of people who learned to read with McGuffey's Primers. I learn to read with Fun with Dick and Jane. ("See Spot run. Run, Spot, run.") Earlier generations learned to read with the bible.

There was no bible when Peter and John live. There were The Scrolls, what we now call The Old Testament. That's what everyone in Judah learned. That was schooling to them. Where does everyone get they were uneducated back then? Unable to read? Those days didn't happen until another thousand years after that. Not then. And that's why it was called The Dark Ages. Darken because people were taught they weren't important enough to learn to read.

Like a lot of 'religious' things, many of us were taught to believe they were ignorant.

 

[maxwel]

They were unlearned -- as in, they weren't students of the scrolls. They didn't spend night and day studying every scroll and then every targum. They weren't indoctrinated into Phariseeism.

Women didn't read so much back then.


Back when women didn't read...

they didn't argue with us so much on internet forums.

 

[Depleted]

Apparently, those who are illiterate can't walk with the Spirit either!

People who are illiterate learn in other ways.
-- Ask questions from those who can read what they need to know.
-- Audio books.
-- See-do.
-- Out and out ask for help to learn to read.

It seems to me this illiterate excuse is being perpetuated by those who are quite literate, but don't feel the need to learn the Bible. (Just this sense I'm getting with all these references to "They didn't even read, yet God taught them everything" subterfuge in this thread.)

 

[Depleted]

Well I have to wonder how they could be a believer and at the same time not believe? I wouldn't require them to read the Bible though it might be helpful. At the same time there's plenty of people that have read the Bible and that don't believe it at all. I think it be better to believe in God and never have read the Bible than to have read the Bible and not to believe in God.

This isn't your first time on this site, is it?

 

[Depleted]

Read some of this guys blogs, and the reason why he doesn't like all of the Bible's content is he wants to justify sin. He plays the homosexuality that Paul is talking about, is Roman pederasty (men with boys), or UN-consensual homosexual sex, game.

He believes committed homosexual relationships, even homosexual marriage is not only right, but Christians that say otherwise are un-christian and hateful. He also vigorously defends transgenderism and other sexual deviancies.

One of his biggest pushes is evolution.

Strange that he does in fact have a grasp on the Gospel. Usually people with such warped ideas are wrong in some way about THE Gospel. So either he doesn't really believe it, or the Holy Spirit has yet to refine the dross in his heart.

So in one sense I think he's right on what is necessary to be a saved Christian, but he is wrong on just about everything else. I will let God judge whether he is truly born again or not.

One of the best ways to get in the top results on search engines is to have inbound links from other sites.

Peachy keen. Between Kayla's first post and the amount of us who "Reply with Quote" her link, we just helped another idiot rise to the top of search engines so more can find that useless site. (I did it too. Just annoys me that I helped the idiot.)

 

[FreeNChrist]

Maybe you could elaborate?

I agree with you.

 

[Willie-T]

Bupkis! The epistles were written between 40 AD - 90 AD. Jesus died in the 30's (AD style.) Most were written in the 40s-60s, so 10-30 years after AND mostly by eyewitnesses. The one written 50-60 years later was from "the kid" - John the Beloved.

You may have been taught otherwise, but this is the reality. They knew how important those letters were so actually scribed often quickly to pass it along.

The first written account of the life and ministry of Jesus, the Gospel of Mark, is generally thought to have been penned in about 65 to 70s CE, 30 or more years after Jesus was crucified by the Romans. And the rest, afterward.... some thought to be penned even as late as 110 BC. To you, these may not seem like long spans of time, but many readers here are not even 30 yet.]

 

[Depleted]

Hey blue,

For those who haven't heard of Jesus or read the bible resembles me before I became a Christian. The weird thing with me is that we so happened to have a bible in our home. I don't know why.

I did read about a certain topic because someone told me that God didn't like and even hated divorce. Not even knowing the Lord yet, I was convicted.

Romans 1 says that all will be without excuse. There's a inner witness to the fact that there's a God which would lead them to truth and there's an out witness, the witness of creation that tells us there's a God.

To me, that's the whole point. God's word can come in many different ways, but none of them should be say one way is better than other while on this side of heaven.

I love the parables because Jesus took real circumstances of life like the seed and the sower to demonstrate truth to us.

And it's still ongoing through the power of the Holy Spirit. Just like the thread I posted about strawberry jam on the boys shirt. God spoke about sin through strawberry jam.

I believe the danger of what Kayla shared with this particular article and Maxwell being the great berean that he is shows us a way that satan works.

He takes a little bit of truth to try to get Christians to think that the bible isn't that important. The author of the article is devaluing the bible.

So what if people can be born again without the bible. But they can't be saved without the message that's written in the bible.

So let's not buy into the ridiculousness of this article. God's word is God's word. It comes to us through the written word, by the Holy Spirit, by creation itself. It's written, it's verbal, it's the quiet voice within. We can agree that they're all important.

And the point is they are all God breathed. God gave life to His word, but in all of the ways that God speaks, none will have any effect on a hard-hearted heart that rejects Him when they hear or read His word.

Hebrews 4:12,13
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Would someone please rep Rose for me? I haven't spread the love around to rep her again yet.

But, Rose? Yup!

 

[Depleted]

You have sheep?

 

[Depleted]

Women didn't read so much back then.


Back when women didn't read...

they didn't argue with us so much on internet forums.

And that's when the Renaissance really came. When we learned to read and give you men whatfor. lol

 

[Zmouth]

There were generations of people who learned to read with McGuffey's Primers. I learn to read with Fun with Dick and Jane. ("See Spot run. Run, Spot, run.") Earlier generations learned to read with the bible.

There was no bible when Peter and John live. There were The Scrolls, what we now call The Old Testament. That's what everyone in Judah learned. That was schooling to them. Where does everyone get they were uneducated back then? Unable to read? Those days didn't happen until another thousand years after that. Not then. And that's why it was called The Dark Ages. Darken because people were taught they weren't important enough to learn to read.

Well, if man developed the ability to read and write the written spoken word by his own knowledge and understanding then why would he need to be taught? So did man learn to read or write the word first?

Jesus only asked the Pharisees if they had read, since they were the only Jews who knew who to read and write. Even among the Romans only the elite were taught to read and write.

But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Matthew 12:3
Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Matthew 12:5
And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
Mark 12:10
And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mark 12:26

So how did Moses learn to write if he was trained in all the wisdom of Egypt and there is no evidence they ever had the ability to communicate using the written spoken word? (I can give a kid a crayon and piece of paper and they can draw a picture and tell you the story about what it means but ask him 20 years later and see if knows what originally 'wrote'.)

And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
John 7:15

 

[Zmouth]

You have sheep?

LOL, that's a good one, but no I got peoples...
If you really want to impress me close you eyes and tell me what is written in post #102

 

[Depleted]

The first written account of the life and ministry of Jesus, the Gospel of Mark, is generally thought to have been penned in about 65 to 70s CE, 30 or more years after Jesus was crucified by the Romans. And the rest, afterward.... some thought to be penned even as late as 110 BC. To you, these may not seem like long spans of time, but many readers here are not even 30 yet.]

New Testament Timeline

Even those under 30 know of The Beatles, the landing on the moon, a space shuttle exploding, two skyscrapers tumbling down, and such. Even without writing they would know of these things as much as I know where my parents were on the "day of infamy." (Oddly enough both were at the movies during the speech and in two different states.)

Jesus brought people back from the dead. He rose from the dead. He defied Rome itself. This wasn't some pooch in east Texas finding Timmy in a well. This was the big talk, even 8 years later (when James wrote his book.) Even 24 years later, when Mark wrote his.

The amazing part is the earliest MSS we still have (and it was a copy, not the original. Also, it's a small fragment, not the whole letter) is Gospel of John from 90 AD.