Unfortunately you are mistaken. You are looking at things physically but that is not your fault Jn3:31~34. You are speaking of worldly things (cell phone chips etc.) You missed one of the 3 mysteries in Revelation, Rv 1:20. Since you claim this is the "what is now" and you know better than I. I have one easy question for you then who are the 7 messengers?
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Sir, I have been studying Revelation and end-time of events for many years and I assure you that I am not mistaken about anything. The wrath of God is going to take place literally upon this earth, just as it is written. If you don't believe that, then you are just as deceived as so many are regarding God's coming wrath.
The day of the Lord is coming which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. God is going to use these three sets of seven plagues of wrath to decimate the population of the earth and to dismantle all human government (Dan.2:31-45). I haven't missed any mysteries and you would do well to consider what I have written, for it is the truth of God's word.
Your argument is moot, as we already have people being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of the hand. The very fact that this technology even exists is a testimony to the truth and accuracy of God's word.
In saying "the 7 messengers" if you are referring to the seven messengers/angels of the seven churches, this would be referring to the overseers/pastors of those churches.
The day of the Lord is coming which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. God is going to use these three sets of seven plagues of wrath to decimate the population of the earth and to dismantle all human government (Dan.2:31-45). I haven't missed any mysteries and you would do well to consider what I have written, for it is the truth of God's word.
Your argument is moot, as we already have people being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of the hand. The very fact that this technology even exists is a testimony to the truth and accuracy of God's word.
In saying "the 7 messengers" if you are referring to the seven messengers/angels of the seven churches, this would be referring to the overseers/pastors of those churches.
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Hi sir. I read your post and I was in the same position as you. When I first become a christian I wanted to understand the two prophetic books of Daniel and Revelation. I searched for many years for church which could explain the meaning of those books and make sense. After searching for years I finally got the right ministry. I didn't accept what they taught but I tested the spirit behind the teaching and did my own research and I waited on the Holy spirit to convince me of the truth. I found this through ministry called Homebase Tv and there was evangelist called Mark Woodman which has series on YouTube called God's final call. You will find it very informative and he compares what happens in the world to the scriptures. Please check it out. God bless
A teaching is only as good as the reason for that teaching. A lot of folks have great faith in themselves, the evidence for a lot of the ideas that I read about is the person who believes it. It is like me saying, there is life on Mars, and someone asks me what evidence do you have that there is life on Mars, so I say, the evidence is my statement, I said it so it must be true. I read where folks are saying, this means this, and that means that, and when you actually read the bible it is not there, it is the person producing the evidence from themselves, not the bible. For example, what is now, represents the entire church period, there is no scriptural evidence at all to support that idea, it comes from outside the bible. Before anyone should make any kind of declaration one should have solid literal in context scripture to support that declaration...I see little of that happening. When we approach the bible relying on our feelings and opinions rather then on literal in context scripture, we are not going to find truth.
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Hello if may put in my 2 cents for what it's worth. I will say my peace and leave. It seems to me that the truth is the truth no matter who we are. How can Christ be one thing to you and another to him and still,another to me. I thought Christ was the same yesterday,today,and to marrow. If any body cares, Doing a in depth study of,the seven churches would explain a lot. Just sayin, if I may give an example. Speaking in tongues. It is supposed to be a gift. In fact most denominations have rules in place and if they are not followed according to there beliefs then it is not recognized as being from God. Now what would be the truth here. Is one denomination more correct than the other. Or could it be there are more than one speaking in tounges. You may have experienced this for your self. ( I grew up Pentecostal so it was a way of life for me. ). But every Sunday I went to church and during the service, somebody was speaking in tongues, followed by a translator. And if that protocol was not followed it was concidered demonic ( And of course in all my years I never found it to concidered demonic ) and more often than not there just happened to be someone there that spoke that language. Weird huh. They all concidered it be of the lord. But it hit me one day why would I go to a church were the Lord Jesus Christ speaks in only one language that I couldn't understand. And how would I even know if it was being translated correctly. But he only is talking to one family. Then I learned that Christ is the head of the church. If he speaks through some one there is no translator needed, he speak to an audience with people in it from a 100 country's, and they each can only speak the native tongue. Every race can understand what is being said down to there dialect. It happened in the book of Acts during Pentecost and that's the same for you, me, him, or who ever else wants listen. So I have found 2 things if there is a disagreement then we as humans have it wrong or Christ has not removed that covering of the eyes.
Well that's my 2 cents.
Peace and love be with you in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
Well that's my 2 cents.
Peace and love be with you in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
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I believe that there is only One truth, One baptism, One Lord, One faith. If there is only Holy spirit then He should guide, teach and convict everyone to the same truth. The reason for the many different denominations would be due to twisting of the word. And where pastors and bible believing Christians are not willing to accept the truth. And they will pay dear price for it. May God grant us the mercy and grace to walk uprightly in His sight.
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I would have to agree. There is only one True God. There can be only one. This is how i believe the Lord Showed me. A Very big help in my understanding was a study of the seven churches. The seven churches ( Starting with Christ ) A belief system in each there own time era. Each having a remnant that made it to the end. Rev Chpt 2-3.
Which to me explains all the different denominations . Couple that with the 1/3 deceived angel's that are living in the end time's. Which we are in now. This seems to be the system we have now.
See if you recognize the difference. Church system through denomination eyes. We have certain people through out history that claim That God has showed them the way. They stand up and preach and people by the masses give there life to Jesus. And then new people say they have seen the light, Join ministry and rinse and repeat.
Now that is all well and good God can work through any thing.
But what i have found to be more the case is. A Christian will say something to some one or someone's and out of the group it will strike a Memory of something to one of them. Why not the whole group you ask?
Didn't God say the whole world will be deceived. Except the elect. Which there is not very many of them, The 144,000 and the 7000.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That is what is known as Sowing seeds. Then its up to the Holy Spirit to make it grow. And he will give water as needed.
So the question is are all those people really being saved. Or deceived. There is a way to tell but the ultimate Judge is Christ.
Which to me explains all the different denominations . Couple that with the 1/3 deceived angel's that are living in the end time's. Which we are in now. This seems to be the system we have now.
See if you recognize the difference. Church system through denomination eyes. We have certain people through out history that claim That God has showed them the way. They stand up and preach and people by the masses give there life to Jesus. And then new people say they have seen the light, Join ministry and rinse and repeat.
Now that is all well and good God can work through any thing.
But what i have found to be more the case is. A Christian will say something to some one or someone's and out of the group it will strike a Memory of something to one of them. Why not the whole group you ask?
Didn't God say the whole world will be deceived. Except the elect. Which there is not very many of them, The 144,000 and the 7000.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That is what is known as Sowing seeds. Then its up to the Holy Spirit to make it grow. And he will give water as needed.
So the question is are all those people really being saved. Or deceived. There is a way to tell but the ultimate Judge is Christ.
Revelation 12
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Interestingly enough, for the first time in six thousand years the great sign described in Revelation 12:1-2 will appear in the sky exactly as described, on September 23rd of this year 2017.
Virgo ("the woman"), covered by the sun, will birth Jupiter ("the king"), having the 9 stars of constellation Leo, as well as mercury, mars and Venus above her head in perfect alignment ("crown of 12 stars"). The moon will also be under the feet of Virgo. Currently Jupiter is inside Virgo right now, and when Jupiter births it will have been inside the Virgo constellation for about 42 weeks, the time of gestation for a human baby.
Anyone who wants to see should download Stellarium or any astronomy software that tracks the motions of the heavenly bodies, and then cycle to the date. it's pretty fascinating.
Considering that an astronomical event herald each of the major events around Christ (his star at his birth...the 3 hour eclipse at his death). I think it's noteworthy that this sign is going to appear around the time of the feast of trumpets. Who knows what will happen but I thought it every interesting to share in this Revelation thread.
...but what will really clench it for me is if we see something else in the sky that represents the red dragon.
Genesis 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Psalm 19:1-4
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork.
2 Day unto day utter speech, and night unto night shows knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Interestingly enough, for the first time in six thousand years the great sign described in Revelation 12:1-2 will appear in the sky exactly as described, on September 23rd of this year 2017.
Virgo ("the woman"), covered by the sun, will birth Jupiter ("the king"), having the 9 stars of constellation Leo, as well as mercury, mars and Venus above her head in perfect alignment ("crown of 12 stars"). The moon will also be under the feet of Virgo. Currently Jupiter is inside Virgo right now, and when Jupiter births it will have been inside the Virgo constellation for about 42 weeks, the time of gestation for a human baby.
Anyone who wants to see should download Stellarium or any astronomy software that tracks the motions of the heavenly bodies, and then cycle to the date. it's pretty fascinating.
Considering that an astronomical event herald each of the major events around Christ (his star at his birth...the 3 hour eclipse at his death). I think it's noteworthy that this sign is going to appear around the time of the feast of trumpets. Who knows what will happen but I thought it every interesting to share in this Revelation thread.
...but what will really clench it for me is if we see something else in the sky that represents the red dragon.
Genesis 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Psalm 19:1-4
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork.
2 Day unto day utter speech, and night unto night shows knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.
***Revelation 9:13-21****The Second Woe (so terrible) is the sixth angel sounding (trumpet) and loosing 4 angels who wish to destroy one third of mankind---since they were bound they were probably prevented from doing this destruction early (prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year)--- whether a real army or a demonic army they are destroying with fire, smoke, and brimstone--- those not killed did not repent
of their demonized sins...
of their demonized sins...
Blessings 88 and all who are reading this! If I might add, just as with all scripture, especially with the book of Revelation, it is important to pay attention to every detail. That said, notice that the scripture says that they "the angels" were kept ready for that hour, day, month and year to kill a third of mankind. Not angels getting men to kill one another, but the angels. The reason that I bring this up is that, someone came up with the idea that this group of 200 million are the kings of the east. Yet there is nothing in the context that would link them as being such.
At the sounding of the 5th trumpet an angel opens the Abyss. I believe, though not stated, this is where these four angels gather this demonic army of 200 million from. The reason that trumpets 5,6 and 7 are referred to as "Woes" is because they are all demonic in nature.
What kind horses have heads like lions heads and kill by emitting fire, smoke and sulfur from their mouths? The kings of the east certainly don't have these kinds of horses. John knows what a horse looks like and that is what he calls them, with the exception of the head and tail. These are demonic beings, different from the ones released at the 5th trumpet.
Just with the fatalities from the 4th seal (a fourth) and the third of the population killed here at the 6th trumpet, with just those two they will equal approx. half of the earth's population killed. And that is not including the fatalities as a result of trumpets 1,2 and 3 nor of the bowl judgments.
At the sounding of the 5th trumpet an angel opens the Abyss. I believe, though not stated, this is where these four angels gather this demonic army of 200 million from. The reason that trumpets 5,6 and 7 are referred to as "Woes" is because they are all demonic in nature.
What kind horses have heads like lions heads and kill by emitting fire, smoke and sulfur from their mouths? The kings of the east certainly don't have these kinds of horses. John knows what a horse looks like and that is what he calls them, with the exception of the head and tail. These are demonic beings, different from the ones released at the 5th trumpet.
Just with the fatalities from the 4th seal (a fourth) and the third of the population killed here at the 6th trumpet, with just those two they will equal approx. half of the earth's population killed. And that is not including the fatalities as a result of trumpets 1,2 and 3 nor of the bowl judgments.
Not sure if you've see this Ahwatukee (or anyone else reading this), but in Geneva, Switzerland there's a facility called CERN that has the world's largest hadron collider (i.e. atom smasher) that's 17 miles long between Switzerland and France and 575 feet underground. It's under no government jurisdiction so it operates autonomously.
Their mission is to study (i.e. try to *duplicate*) the beginning of creation as well as try to *open other dimensions* of reality. You can read up on it, but the energy produced by this machine is so tremendous that even their Steven Hawking is afraid of them using this machine. The temperatures in the machine can reach 100,000 times the temp of the sun, and the gravity in the tube can reach 100,000 times the gravity of earth.
[video=youtube;TIeY7Zj27IM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIeY7Zj27IM[/video]
Now here's what I think you'll find interesting about this machine:
1. The town on which CERN is build is named "Saint-Genus-Poilly" (Poilly is latin for "Appolliacum", "believed in Roman times to have been a temple to Apollo and the people who lived there believed it was a gateway to the underworld")
2. Given as a gift to the facility is a statue of "Shiva". Shiva is the Hindu goddess of destruction; the very same ancient Apollyon (Apollo), the destroyer. The statue depicts her performing her dance of destruction.
3. It takes so much energy to get the particles inside to light-speed that it takes months for this machine to run. That's how massive this thing is...and they've planned to restart it soon this year (2017).
4. Sergio Bertolucci, former Director for Research and Scientific Computing of the facility, said this machine could open otherworldly doors to another dimension to "send something into it or pull something out of it".
Revelation 9:1-2 & 11
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key to the abyss. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit...They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
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What about Four Angels (bound to an APPOINTED TIME) who bring forth the Wrath of God on the evil world? The Church has been Raptured. The First Woe was a Demon horde that wasn't allowed to kill. But the SECOND WOE is supposed to all of the sudden be a bunch of Demons who are allowed to kill !! That doesn't really make sense.
The Second Woe would make much more sense if they were an Army of God, to bring forth Plagues and destruction on evil man-kind. Their Breast-plates are just like the High-priests of Israel in color and make-up.
The Second Woe would make much more sense if they were an Army of God, to bring forth Plagues and destruction on evil man-kind. Their Breast-plates are just like the High-priests of Israel in color and make-up.
Hello Rondonmon,
What is so difficult about accepting that the 5th trumpet as being strictly torment with no fatalities vs. the 6th trumpet where a third of the earth's population being killed? Can't God use one plague for torment and one for death?
That the four angels [are bound] in the area of the Euphrates demonstrates that these are not holy angels, but of the fallen variety. Therefore, since these angels are fallen, it would not be plausible that these four evil angels would be leading an army of God's holy angels. In the same way that in the 5th trumpet God uses those demonic beings in the Abyss to carry out his wrath, so He is doing the same here at the 6th trumpet. The bottom line is that, the four angels are fallen, which would infer that their army is also fallen.
As for the colors on their breastplates, they represent the three methods of their power to kill, and has nothing to do with the High-priests of Israel:
Fiery Red = Fire
Dark Blue = Smoke
Yellow = Sulfur
What is so difficult about accepting that the 5th trumpet as being strictly torment with no fatalities vs. the 6th trumpet where a third of the earth's population being killed? Can't God use one plague for torment and one for death?
That the four angels [are bound] in the area of the Euphrates demonstrates that these are not holy angels, but of the fallen variety. Therefore, since these angels are fallen, it would not be plausible that these four evil angels would be leading an army of God's holy angels. In the same way that in the 5th trumpet God uses those demonic beings in the Abyss to carry out his wrath, so He is doing the same here at the 6th trumpet. The bottom line is that, the four angels are fallen, which would infer that their army is also fallen.
As for the colors on their breastplates, they represent the three methods of their power to kill, and has nothing to do with the High-priests of Israel:
Fiery Red = Fire
Dark Blue = Smoke
Yellow = Sulfur
Greetings Joshua,
Yes, I have heard of this hadron collider before, but never applied it to the opening of the Abyss. Thank you for sharing this. Though it is an interesting theory, it is important to pay attention to the details given in scripture. That said, John says that he sees an angel that has fallen from heaven to the earth and he has a key with which to open the shaft of the Abyss. We must also remember that this is just one event of three sets of seven plagues of wrath which Jesus is initiating and therefore these events are not something that is caused by mankind.
Also, as mentioned above, the angel has a key to unlock the Abyss, whether it is a spiritual key or a material key, that is irrelevant. For whatever the substance of the key, it is required to unlock the Abyss. If we to apply this hadron collider as being what opens the dimension for those demonic beings to come out of the Abyss, then we would also have to consider the following:
"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time."
As can be seen from the scripture above, at the end of the tribulation period, when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, another angel has been given the key to the Abyss to lock it back up, which will have remained open from 5th seal until the Lord's return. If we were to apply the hadron collider theory, we would have to ignore the information regarding the angel who unlocks the Abyss, as well as this angel who throws Satan into the Abyss and locks it back up. We would also have to have an answer as to how human beings could use a hadron collider to put Satan into the Abyss. Keep in mind also that, at the time that the Lord returns to end the age, the earth will be in complete ruin and the majority of the population will have been decimated. My point being that, this hadron collider would no longer be in operation and there would most likely be no one to operate it.
In keeping with scripture, I personally believe that the seven sets of plagues of wrath, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will be performed by God through his angels, opposed to crediting mankind as being the initiator of God's wrath.
Yes, I have heard of this hadron collider before, but never applied it to the opening of the Abyss. Thank you for sharing this. Though it is an interesting theory, it is important to pay attention to the details given in scripture. That said, John says that he sees an angel that has fallen from heaven to the earth and he has a key with which to open the shaft of the Abyss. We must also remember that this is just one event of three sets of seven plagues of wrath which Jesus is initiating and therefore these events are not something that is caused by mankind.
Also, as mentioned above, the angel has a key to unlock the Abyss, whether it is a spiritual key or a material key, that is irrelevant. For whatever the substance of the key, it is required to unlock the Abyss. If we to apply this hadron collider as being what opens the dimension for those demonic beings to come out of the Abyss, then we would also have to consider the following:
"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time."
As can be seen from the scripture above, at the end of the tribulation period, when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, another angel has been given the key to the Abyss to lock it back up, which will have remained open from 5th seal until the Lord's return. If we were to apply the hadron collider theory, we would have to ignore the information regarding the angel who unlocks the Abyss, as well as this angel who throws Satan into the Abyss and locks it back up. We would also have to have an answer as to how human beings could use a hadron collider to put Satan into the Abyss. Keep in mind also that, at the time that the Lord returns to end the age, the earth will be in complete ruin and the majority of the population will have been decimated. My point being that, this hadron collider would no longer be in operation and there would most likely be no one to operate it.
In keeping with scripture, I personally believe that the seven sets of plagues of wrath, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will be performed by God through his angels, opposed to crediting mankind as being the initiator of God's wrath.