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i posted this version allready,,,,i never hid not one translation...

Your looking for lies in scripture that the words that jesus spoke himself.... this is not allowed....its theexact same meaning...
[h=1]John 8:30-32King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]30 [/SUP]As he spake these words, many believed on him.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

King James Version (KJV)
 
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i posted this version allready,,,,i never hid not one translation...

Your looking for lies in scripture that the words that jesus spoke himself.... this is not allowed....its theexact same meaning...
[h=1]John 8:30-32King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]30 [/SUP]As he spake these words, many believed on him.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

King James Version (KJV)
Then you don't see it.
 
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i knew the dictionary would come out again wiith the word deciple... i just knew it ....

Dc the dictionary is not a book that saves you,,,and i cant believe your using the dictionary to do this..


Mate this totaly wrong to deny the word of Jesus,,,
 
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i knew the dictionary would come out again wiith the word deciple... i just knew it ....

Dc the dictionary is not a book that saves you,,,and i cant believe your using the dictionary to do this..


Mate this totaly wrong to deny the word of Jesus,,,
That's a really lame attempt at being presumptuous.
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(of a person or their behavior) failing to observe the limits of what is permitted or appropriate.
 
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A spiritual truth. Unless the Holy Spirit brings wisdom to the soul it
is just an opinion not a reality.

Over my time following Jesus a lot have things changed from opinions
to realities.

Now these realities only matter if you yourself experience them, until then
they are opinions.

What worried me was my unbelief about some things that God wrote but I
assumed meant one thing rather than another. It was enlightening Him quickening
my heart about sharing in Christs sufferings, and the apparent contradiction of being
healed of hurts and bearing hurts of others for their benefit.

God bless you
 

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Talmidim or diciples of the day of the 1st century assembly would literally tie their sandles the same. So if Yeshua followed the law so does his disciple. The thing that came from walking with Yeshua would be prayer habits, eating habits, understanding of the scriptures, revelation of Messiah in prophecy, etc...
So I see a letter understanding from some which is a start and yes only the Father could have revealed certain things together with practice of the Faith of Elohim and the Grace afforded them by the Rabbi Yeshua. Again thank you for your time and consideration friends. If you have any ear to hear still and seek understanding. Return to the ancient pat, the path. Again today your father's have moved the ancient markers and the testimony against the children of sin have rejected Elohim's ways, despised Messiah by this rejection, and blasphemous teachers enslave the people to them rather than being a slave to righteousness. I am preaching because it's the season to change your minds.

I plead with you to stop using YHWH's name in celebration of the pegan holiday for the true appointed feasting of the day. Growing up in the loving instruction of YHWH Elohim without seeking salvation through it just keep the Faith. Grow up by the spirit and be made one body with Yeshua Messiah of Natzereth the Son of YHWH Elohim. I say this by the Holy Spirit so you know I am not decieved. If I sin it is not I but sin housed in my flesh. I do accept the responsibility for my flesh it is mine. The wicked heart of flesh has been engraved with the instruction of YHWH through the atonement of the work of Yeshua on the cross. It judged the flesh worthy of death however one in me is greater than all that. True all Flesh is under a curse and will die because sin has corrupted it. What bulls and goats could not do was change your hearts of stone to hearts with the spring of the water of life. This message and many more in truth all testify of Messiah. The testimony of Moses was also this, that the hearts of the children of Israel where always wondering and they would not walk according to the truth to save there own lives. Don't fall to the same form as disobedience that they did in the wilderness. There disobedience was not that they kept the law but they didn't understand. To understand your hearing must be weights and balanced to all Scripture. We have many great mysteries in the wrightings of the renewed covenant. We should all make sure we first have down the basics like Sabbaths. If you are still listening the festival holy days are debated in Torah observant communities all over the world. There will always be room for peace makers in the body of Messiah.
 

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i posted this version allready,,,,i never hid not one translation...

Your looking for lies in scripture that the words that jesus spoke himself.... this is not allowed....its theexact same meaning...
John 8:30-32King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]30 [/SUP]As he spake these words, many believed on him.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

King James Version (KJV)
John has portrayed people as "believing" who are clearly not saved. There is a stage in the progress of belief in Jesus that "falls short of genuine or consummated belief resulting in salvation." See John 2:23-25 (where their "belief" is clearly superficial in nature); John 8:31 (where the Jews who were said to have "believed in him" turn out to be slaves to sin [v. 34], indifferent to Jesus’ word [v. 37], children of the devil [v. 44], liars [v. 55], guilty of setting out to stone the one they have professed to believe in (v. 59).

After Jesus’ teaching we read in 6:60 that "many of his disciples . . . said," ‘This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?’ These are the very so called "disciples" who Jesus says "do not believe" and Jesus knew this from the beginning (John 6:64). They also walked with Him no more. They did not continue. If we continue in His word, then we demonstrate that we are TRULY His disciples (John 8:31). Those who fail to continue in His word demonstrate that they are not truly His disciples.
 

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NOT by works of righteousness which we have DONE, but according to his mercy has he saved us.

In the grace you are, having been saved out of faith and that NOT of yourselves it is the gift of GOD, not of works lest any man should boast.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

This is the works of the FATHER that you BELIEVE on him whom he has sent.

HE that believeth on the SON is having everlasting LIFE.

We conclude a man is JUSTIFIED by faith without the deeds of the LAW

PLENTEOUS in NUMBER (MANY) will come before me saying...LORD, LORD, did we not do many wonderful WORKS in your name and Jesus will say, DEPART from me you worker of iniquity for I NEVER KNEW YOU.

ARE you so FOOLISH and who has BEWITCHED YOU....HAVE you begun in the spirit and are now made perfect by the flesh (works)

YOUR last line applies to you pal....you have believed a false gospel and are blind to the truth...FAITH ALONE SAVES void of works......and you inability to put JAMES in context proves that you are the one missing and lacking in the spirit pal.
Did you find the post below erroneous, offending or deceiving? You can consider my own words as false but would you say again that the scriptural verses don't have a bearing in this thread just like you said before? You can reject me bro but please don't reject His Word.

Mat 21:43-44 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will PRODUCE ITS FRUITS. He who falls on this stone will be cut to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”

Luke 17:7-10 “Suppose one of you had a SERVANT plowing or looking after the sheep. Would he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, ‘COME ALONG NOW SIT DOWN & EAT’? Would he not rather say, ‘Prepare my supper, GET YOURSELF READY and wait on me while I eat and drink; AFTER that you may eat and drink’? Would he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘WE ARE UNWORTHY SERVANTS; we have only done our duty.’”
A TRUE CHRISTIAN ALTHOUGH CONSIDERED AS A CHILD OF GOD IS STILL A SERVANT OF GOD AND MUST NOT EVEN THINK OTHERWISE BECAUSE GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED(gal 6:7) SOME CHRISTIANS HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THEIR WRONG NOTION OF SALVATION, BECAME SO CONFIDENT THAT THEY BELIEVED THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS NO LONGER NECESSARY AND ARE JUST “DEAD WORKS”. MAYBE THEY THINK THAT THEY ARE ALREADY “WORTHY” TO SIT ON GOD’S TABLE BECAUSE OF THEIR FAITH(VOID OF WORKS), EVEN WITHOUT GOD’S APPROVAL.

WE ARE THE FELLOW WORKERS OF GOD(1cor 3:9), THE BODY OF CHRIST(eph 5:23) WHO DO HIS WORKS HERE ON EARTH(john 14:12, 1cor ch.12). ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST OR THE VINE BUT CONDEMNS GOOD WORKS & EVEN TEACHES AS A DOCTRINE THAT FAITH PLUS (GOOD) WORKS IS A LIE FROM HELL, IS HIMSELF CONDEMNED. HE IS ARROGANT & BOASTFUL YET UNDERSTANDS NOTHING. Titus 1:16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are DETESTABLE, DISOBEDIENT and UNFIT for doing anything good.

1 Timothy 4:2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

Jude 1:16,19 These men are GRUMBLERS and FAULTFINDERS; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. THESE ARE THE MEN WHO DIVIDE YOU, who follow mere natural instinct and DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT.

***GOD PUTS A BELIEVER INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST TO DO HIS WORKS OF SALVATION,
(1 Timothy 4:16) Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, YOU WILL SAVE BOTH YOURSELF AND YOUR HEARERS.

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.

1 Corinthians 12:27-28 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it...

Ephesians 4:11-13 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for WORKS OF SERVICE so that the BODY OF CHRIST may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

SINCE IT IS THAT SAME BODY WHOM HE IS GOING TO SAVE-- (Ephesians 5:23)” For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which HE IS THE SAVIOR.”
--THE OBEDIENT & FAITHFUL SERVANTS OF GOD. (Matthew 25:21) “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’
ONCE HE’S INSIDE THE BODY(THE VINE) HE IS EXPECTED TO DO GOOD WORKS(PRODUCE FRUIT)
OTHERWISE HE WILL BE CUT OFF.
Romans 11:18,20-23 do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. Granted. But they were broken off because of UNBELIEF, and you stand by FAITH. Do not be arrogant, but BE AFRAID. For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE WILL NOT SPARE YOU either. CONSIDER therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, PROVIDED THAT YOU CONTINUE in his kindness. Otherwise, YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF.

(mat 18:8-9))If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

1 Corinthians 5:6-13 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast... I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that YOU MUST NOT ASSOCIATE with ANYONE WHO CALLS HIMSELF A BROTHER but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the CHURCH(body of Christ)? ARE YOU NOT TO JUDGE THOSE INSIDE? God will judge those outside. “EXPEL THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOU.”

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. ALWAYS GIVE YOURSELVES FULLY TO THE WORK OF THE LORD, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

1 Peter 2:16 Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as SERVANTS OF GOD.
 

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Salvation is an instantaneous work of God, which happens the moment we receive Jesus as savior. But from that point on, we enter a continual process of transformation called sanctification. The Lord's goal is to mold us into the image of Christ, but this process requires our cooperation. That's what the Bible means when it says, "work out your salvation with fear and tembling"(Phil 2:12) If we neglect this responsibility, we'll find ourselves stuggling with the same issues over and over again. But if we submit to the Holy Spirit, He'll exert His influence in every area of our lives. Old sinful habits will pass away and be replaced with new godly behavior -in touch.org
 
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i knew the dictionary would come out again wiith the word deciple... i just knew it ....

Dc the dictionary is not a book that saves you,,,and i cant believe your using the dictionary to do this..


Mate this totaly wrong to deny the word of Jesus,,,
DUDE.......I would love to use a particular word to describe your approach.....serious.....

ALL words are DEFINED by what they mean....get a life pal!
 
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Did you find the post below erroneous, offending or deceiving? You can consider my own words as false but would you say again that the scriptural verses don't have a bearing in this thread just like you said before? You can reject me bro but please don't reject His Word.

Mat 21:43-44 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will PRODUCE ITS FRUITS. He who falls on this stone will be cut to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”

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Point one......the Pharisees were self righteous spiritually blind men who believed, taught and pushed a working for salvation.....works do not save and or keep saved...end of story....

NOW FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME SAID (probably) NO ONE who believes salvation by grace thru faith has ever said, implied or taught that believers are not to bear fruit or produce works........

QUIT implying it, because when YOU imply this...it makes you out to be a false witness.....go read the 7 things God hates in Proverbs 6
 
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Salvation is an instantaneous work of God, which happens the moment we receive Jesus as savior. But from that point on, we enter a continual process of transformation called sanctification. The Lord's goal is to mold us into the image of Christ, but this process requires our cooperation. That's what the Bible means when it says, "work out your salvation with fear and tembling"(Phil 2:12) If we neglect this responsibility, we'll find ourselves stuggling with the same issues over and over again. But if we submit to the Holy Spirit, He'll exert His influence in every area of our lives. Old sinful habits will pass away and be replaced with new godly behavior -in touch.org
EXCELLENT points and truth in this post........EXACTLY......!
 

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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave


A perfect example of FAITH + WORKS = SAVED.
Ok, then the burden of proof is on you. What "works" precisely are needed to supplement faith alone in Jesus Christ alone to accomplish salvation?
LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

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LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

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DiscipleDave
Is loving one another a chore or does it progressively become natural to those born again?
 

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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

The Problem with this generation isn't that verse, the problem with this generation, is that is the ONLY very they believe and all verses that specifically say believing to be Saved.

You are constantly condemning "this generation" and exalting yourself as sinless, 100% of the time in the "present tense" (1 John 1:8).
What i have said above neither condemns nor exalts myself in any way. i forgive you for the false accusation against me.

The Bible clearly states that we are saved through believing in Him (John 3:18; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 4:5 etc..).
That is a True Statement. The Bible also, which you seem to ignore, teaches that if you believe in Him, you DO what He says. There are many verses which plainly teach what it takes to be SAVED, yet it seems you pick and choose which of those many verses you want to believe in, all the while disregarding all the other verses.

You believe and quote several verses which teach that believing in Him you are Saved, but it is not likely you will ever quote this verse to anyone, because you don't believe it.

Heb_5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


This verse teaches if you OBEY HIM, then you are SAVED. But you see, this verse you refuse to accept, because you choose to believe only the verses which teach believing is enough. So then you pick and choose which verses to believe and hold on to, and which verses you will not believe.

Yet you say believing is not enough. Please describe what YOU believe it means to "believe in Him" in order to become saved.
What i believe is dung, and irrelevant. i am nobody at all, filthy rags i am for sure. Nor do i understand to this day why God chose me to teach His Truths to this generation. i am not worthy, nor do i feel that. i don't have to describe, Scriptures plainly does that. You say believing is enough. Scriptures teach those who OBEY Him have Eternal Life, therefore, according to plain and clear Scriptures, believing is NOT enough. Faith ONLY is dead, brother. Are you now going to say it is me that teaches that also, when again, it is what Scriptures teach, not me?

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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave


LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

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DiscipleDave


Is loving one another a chore or does it progressively become natural to those born again?
Amen....to a works-based salvationists mind-set love is something we need to do to have salvation but the truth is we love because God abides in us and we love now because He loved us first.

Works-based believers always get the gospel backwards and attempt to "dictate" the fruit of the Spirit when in reality it is a fruit of His life being manifested in us.

1 John 4:15-19 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

[SUP]16 [/SUP] We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.
 
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DiscipleDave

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The above verse says whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be Saved, that is TRUE, but this verse does not negate, make void, all the other verses which specifically teach what it takes to be SAVED.
We call upon the Lord in faith when we become saved. It's not an addition requirement to accomplish after we have been saved through faith. Through flawed hermeneutics, you are teaching with salvation by works below.
Tell me, when is a person actually Saved, the moment they believe, or the moment they call (DOING) upon His name?
i person sits in a pew in Church, he hears the message of Jesus, and he then BELIEVES. Is he Saved then at the believing in Jesus or does He HAVE TO DO something after He believes? Doesn't He have to call upon the name of Jesus? Doesn't he have to confess his sins? Doesn't he have to pray and repent of his past sins? All these things are what a person DOES AFTER they believe, all these things are Works AFTER they believe in their hearts. And now you say to me there is nothing required AFTER one believes. You do not understand the TRUTH in this matter. You think believing is enough, and in that logic, that person who merely believes sitting in his pew at Church is SAVED and doesn't have to DO anything at all, no works, not getting up, no calling on the name of the Lord, no confessing.
Believing is NOT enough. i don't say that. Scriptures teaches that.

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