Not By Works
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now the good thing is both sides here feal they can be eternaly saved which is good,,, and secondly iron sharpens iron....
so lets face it...what ever you call my faith... whether it be works based or what ever... i know i am not dead... i was with God last week.. i know i was.....and i love his word and all of his word... it keeps me walking.... towards the end Goal and running the rat race and my own race to the end..
so lets face it...what ever you call my faith... whether it be works based or what ever... i know i am not dead... i was with God last week.. i know i was.....and i love his word and all of his word... it keeps me walking.... towards the end Goal and running the rat race and my own race to the end..
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No it says 'is baptised', it doesn't say 'you must be baptised'. It is belief that is essential.
God didn't say it to you, You just thought it.
But it doesn't. contradict any Scripture.the negative shows that it is the belief that is essential.
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But mailmandan is correct.
No it is you who is taking an option and making it essential
No it says 'is baptised', it doesn't say 'you must be baptised'. It is belief that is essential.
God didn't say it to you, You just thought it.
But it doesn't. contradict any Scripture.the negative shows that it is the belief that is essential.
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But mailmandan is correct.
No it is you who is taking an option and making it essential
Confession is a work. Is is something a person is to DO, which indeed is a Work.
It is your understanding what i am saying that is erroneous, brother. As long as a person has a sound mind, they can confess. Confessing is something that a person DOES (Works) regardless if it is out loud, or in prayer to ones self. It is something a person DOES.
Again, you are assuming things, and not understanding what i have said. i never said water baptized, that is something you have assumed that i was meaning. Please click HERE to see an article concerning which baptism i was actually talking about.
Many verses teach Faith to be Saved. These are all True.
Many verses teach Other things to be Saved. These are likewise all TRUE. Such as repenting, confessing, obeying Jesus, Loving One Another, Forgiving One Another.
You have have all the Faith in the world, but if you fail to forgive someone, then the Father in Heaven will NOT forgive you, and it doesn't matter how much FAITH a person claims to have.
Many verses teach Faith to be Saved. These are all TRUE, but that does not negate, or make void, the rest of Scriptures. If a person is picking and choosing which verses they will believe and which ones they have to interpret away, then the TRUTH does not reside in a person that does that.
lol, this is what i have been teaching from the start, which you have adamantly bucked against me.
Faith - Works = Dead. This is exactly what is bolded above by your own statement, you say this. What do you think i have been talking about all along? Many claim to have Faith. How can you tell if they have an empty profession of Faith (as you call it)? By their lack of works, EXACTLY as you say above.
How then do you disagree with
Faith + Works = Full/complete profession of Faith, which SAVES.
if Faith - Works = Empty profession of Faith then it is most logical to say
Faith + Works = FULL profession of Faith.
What do you think i have been teaching all along?
Faith Saves a person, but if they do not have works, EXACTLY like you say above, they have a empty profession of Faith, which does NOT Save a person. Therefore Faith without works is Dead. So likewise it is also True that
Faith with Works is ALIVE. As i have been teaching all along
Faith ONLY is not enough, even you yourself testifies that if a person has Faith only without any works is a empty profession of Faith. So then we are in agreement then?
Agreed, if it does not have Works with it, i agree 100%
Again, i 100% agree with this statement. Nobody can be Saved by Works ONLY and that live a sinless life 100% of the time. This statement is True, nor have i said or believe otherwise.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
It is your understanding what i am saying that is erroneous, brother. As long as a person has a sound mind, they can confess. Confessing is something that a person DOES (Works) regardless if it is out loud, or in prayer to ones self. It is something a person DOES.
Again, you are assuming things, and not understanding what i have said. i never said water baptized, that is something you have assumed that i was meaning. Please click HERE to see an article concerning which baptism i was actually talking about.
Many verses teach Faith to be Saved. These are all True.
Many verses teach Other things to be Saved. These are likewise all TRUE. Such as repenting, confessing, obeying Jesus, Loving One Another, Forgiving One Another.
You have have all the Faith in the world, but if you fail to forgive someone, then the Father in Heaven will NOT forgive you, and it doesn't matter how much FAITH a person claims to have.
Many verses teach Faith to be Saved. These are all TRUE, but that does not negate, or make void, the rest of Scriptures. If a person is picking and choosing which verses they will believe and which ones they have to interpret away, then the TRUTH does not reside in a person that does that.
lol, this is what i have been teaching from the start, which you have adamantly bucked against me.
Faith - Works = Dead. This is exactly what is bolded above by your own statement, you say this. What do you think i have been talking about all along? Many claim to have Faith. How can you tell if they have an empty profession of Faith (as you call it)? By their lack of works, EXACTLY as you say above.
How then do you disagree with
Faith + Works = Full/complete profession of Faith, which SAVES.
if Faith - Works = Empty profession of Faith then it is most logical to say
Faith + Works = FULL profession of Faith.
What do you think i have been teaching all along?
Faith Saves a person, but if they do not have works, EXACTLY like you say above, they have a empty profession of Faith, which does NOT Save a person. Therefore Faith without works is Dead. So likewise it is also True that
Faith with Works is ALIVE. As i have been teaching all along
Faith ONLY is not enough, even you yourself testifies that if a person has Faith only without any works is a empty profession of Faith. So then we are in agreement then?
Agreed, if it does not have Works with it, i agree 100%
Those who believe they are saved by works and that they live a sinless life 100% of the time are truly suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
ha i never ever argued about works untill i came here... i was an anglo saxon... warrior and ledgend of the the great king and warlord.... of the great christian army who over through the the gobshites and the jebushites.. now im bornagain gentle giant with a passion for truth..
where as you guys call me a works based salvationist earning my salvation...
Now this makes no sence to me.. cause from where im from salvation is given to those who are worthy from there unworthenenss..... meaning after reacieving God they where worthy.. from there unworthyness...?..
Now surely mercy will follow me and grace.. if i obey him daily..
where as you guys call me a works based salvationist earning my salvation...
Now this makes no sence to me.. cause from where im from salvation is given to those who are worthy from there unworthenenss..... meaning after reacieving God they where worthy.. from there unworthyness...?..
Now surely mercy will follow me and grace.. if i obey him daily..
I just recently discovered this one. So DiscipleDave claims to be a prophet who audibly talks with God and he teaches sinless perfection and salvation by works.
i teach that we are to awake to righteousness and SIN NOT, exactly what the Word of God teaches also.
i do not, nor ever have taught Salvation by works. This is something that satan tells people that i say and teach, when there is not one post that shows where i have done this, not one.
satan falsely accuses people. God does not, nor ever will.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
I don't even engage him anymore.....the day he said he speaks to God, is a prophet and will be referenced by his CC chat name on the day of judgment by JESUS so as to condemn us.......yeahhhhh riggghtttt.......!
That pretty much told me all I need to know about him...and from what I have read on here and people referencing his website he also believes in a continuing cycle of reincarnation....
That pretty much told me all I need to know about him...and from what I have read on here and people referencing his website he also believes in a continuing cycle of reincarnation....
Seriously this made me cry.
What have i said that is so evil?
i tell you what God told me to tell you. And that is the God's honest Truth, or let me Die a horrible long painful death.
i teach "Love One Another"
i teach stop obeying satan.
i teach start obeying Jesus.
For which of these things do you say what you say above, that you should run away from?
Where is your Love? If Christ were in you, would you not have compassion for me? You would not say things that would make a person cry, hurtful. But even now, tears in my eyes, i forgive you.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
What have i said that is so evil?
i tell you what God told me to tell you. And that is the God's honest Truth, or let me Die a horrible long painful death.
i teach "Love One Another"
i teach stop obeying satan.
i teach start obeying Jesus.
For which of these things do you say what you say above, that you should run away from?
Where is your Love? If Christ were in you, would you not have compassion for me? You would not say things that would make a person cry, hurtful. But even now, tears in my eyes, i forgive you.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave