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What would you have us keep? Xmas and Ishtar?
Show me the scriptures that endorse these pagan holidays.
The question was really not :What Is the X in Xmas
- you post That It was first used only couple hundred years ago -says A lot,
Christ has been raised for what allmost 2000 years now-why recent.
Real easy to find the origans of christ-mas if someone looks.
X-mas, Christ-mas, Christ-ianity, - does this verse apply ?
For many shall come in [my name], saying,
I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
The question: Christmas or Christmas Day, or the x-mas celebration.
Where are the scriptures that endorse these pagan holidays.
(Old English: Crīstesmæsse, meaning "Christ's Mass")
Although the month and date of Jesus' birth are unknown, by the
early-to-mid fourth century the Western Christian Church had placed
Christmas on December 25,[23] a date that was later adopted in the East
Although it is not known why December 25 became a date of celebration, there are
several factors that may have influenced the choice. December 25 was the date the
Romans marked as the winter solstice,[35] the shortest, and therefore darkest day
of the year. Jesus was identified with the Sun based on an Old Testament verse.[36]
the Romans had a series of pagan festivals near the end of the year, so Christmas may have
been scheduled at this time to appropriate, or compete with, one or more of these festivals.
[39][40][41]
Christmas have a mix of pre-Christian, Christian, and secular themes and origins.
The Encyclopedia Judaica could not be more blunt:
"The celebration of birthdays is unknown in traditional Jewish ritual."
What does the bible say about it? birthdays was not a celebrated event.
The day of death is better than the day of one's birth (Ecclesiastes 7:1).
In fact, it says, the only birthday party mentioned in the Bible is for Pharaoh!
(Genesis 40:20).
After this Job opened his mouth and cursed the day of his birth.
The prophet Jeremiah wrote:14 Cursed be the day in which I was born!
Let the day not be blessed in which my mother bore me!
Jesus Christ did not mark the anniversary of His birth,
nor did He make reference to it in any such fashion.
Nor did any of the Apostles so much as even mention Christ’s
birth date or their own...
Birthdays apparently originated in magic and mythology.
They were traditionally also celebrated by followers of Mithra.
Birthdays themselves apparently were adopted by Greco-Romans
because of Mithraism(Wikipedia. Birthdays
Show me the scriptures that endorse these pagan holidays.
The question was really not :What Is the X in Xmas
- you post That It was first used only couple hundred years ago -says A lot,
Christ has been raised for what allmost 2000 years now-why recent.
Real easy to find the origans of christ-mas if someone looks.
X-mas, Christ-mas, Christ-ianity, - does this verse apply ?
For many shall come in [my name], saying,
I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
The question: Christmas or Christmas Day, or the x-mas celebration.
Where are the scriptures that endorse these pagan holidays.
(Old English: Crīstesmæsse, meaning "Christ's Mass")
Although the month and date of Jesus' birth are unknown, by the
early-to-mid fourth century the Western Christian Church had placed
Christmas on December 25,[23] a date that was later adopted in the East
Although it is not known why December 25 became a date of celebration, there are
several factors that may have influenced the choice. December 25 was the date the
Romans marked as the winter solstice,[35] the shortest, and therefore darkest day
of the year. Jesus was identified with the Sun based on an Old Testament verse.[36]
the Romans had a series of pagan festivals near the end of the year, so Christmas may have
been scheduled at this time to appropriate, or compete with, one or more of these festivals.
[39][40][41]
Christmas have a mix of pre-Christian, Christian, and secular themes and origins.
The Encyclopedia Judaica could not be more blunt:
"The celebration of birthdays is unknown in traditional Jewish ritual."
What does the bible say about it? birthdays was not a celebrated event.
The day of death is better than the day of one's birth (Ecclesiastes 7:1).
In fact, it says, the only birthday party mentioned in the Bible is for Pharaoh!
(Genesis 40:20).
After this Job opened his mouth and cursed the day of his birth.
The prophet Jeremiah wrote:14 Cursed be the day in which I was born!
Let the day not be blessed in which my mother bore me!
Jesus Christ did not mark the anniversary of His birth,
nor did He make reference to it in any such fashion.
Nor did any of the Apostles so much as even mention Christ’s
birth date or their own...
Birthdays apparently originated in magic and mythology.
They were traditionally also celebrated by followers of Mithra.
Birthdays themselves apparently were adopted by Greco-Romans
because of Mithraism(Wikipedia. Birthdays
Leviticus 23:5-21 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. {SUNDAY}
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. {SUNDAY}
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. {SUNDAY}
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD. {SUNDAY}
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: {SUNDAY}
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. {SUNDAY}
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD. {SUNDAY}
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest. {SUNDAY}
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations. {SUNDAY}
1 Corinthians 15:20 (ASV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But now hath Christ been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of them that are asleep.
Matthew 28:1-7 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled away the stone, and sat upon it.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] His appearance was as lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and for fear of him the watchers did quake, and became as dead men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye; for I know that ye seek Jesus, who hath been crucified.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He is not here; for he is risen, even as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And go quickly, and tell his disciples, He is risen from the dead; and lo, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
AND YOU THE LAW KEEPER REJECTS THE FIRSTRUITS OFFERING OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. SHAME ON YOU.
Passover is then in fact still an appointed time of Elohim and therefore YHWH Elohim people will keep it. Also the festival of unleavened bread as the pure bride of Messiah Elohim. Not to mention its Sabbath's. I for one don't judge for not keeping them however if they are not even written on your heart to remember then you can be sure you are still without the covenants or there promises. Remember, " my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. " also " they despise my teaching and move its ancient boundary stones making it difficult for others to enter in.
What on GOD's green earth do you mean by KEEP. We Celebrate HIS BIRTH because the Angels DID.
AND WE CELEBRATE the RESURRECTION, because it is the FULFILLMENT OF THE FESTIVAL OF FIRSTFRUITS, the first of many resurrections to come.
NOW I GOT NEWS FOR YOU, there has been enough PAGAN RELIGIONS throughout the history of mankind, that I guarantee that there has been a PAGAN HOLIDAY on every single one of the 365 days of the year, and that includes every single Sabbath that you think you KEEP.
It has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT DAY,
IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN YOUR HEART.
We can all tell, there is nothing but COLD HARDNESS GOING ON IN YOUR HEART.
Sunday was the 'day' in which Jesus was 'seen' to have been resurrected....this does not prove that He 'resurrected on that day. People/Christians put all their trust into what was ''seen'' they are ignorant of what really happened, when He really resurrected - which is only proven through Scripture 1Cor 15v3,4 !!! and not by any 'human say-so which christian religion erroniously rests on.
In this first chapter, Ezekiel introduces us to God.
"one like unto the Son of man"
First A description of the spectacular vehicle that God rides in. (verses 5-10).
The creatures transporting God were cherubim, and they each have four faces
—one looks like a man;the others look like animals: an ox, a lion, an eagle.
The ordinaryangels apparently resemble men. But cherubim are not ordinary
angels—“every one had four faces.”
(verse 13). This must have been most impressive—living creatures
lit up like fire, and lightning coming out of the fire! -so awesome
Ezekiel saw this great, luminous vehicle with wings and revolving wheels
moving at lightning speed. It never had to turn; it would move instantly in
any direction, it looked like torches or lightning darting around.
The God of Exekiel
“And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when
they stood, and had let down theirwings. And above the firmament that was
over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire
stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was [the likeness as the appearance]
of a man above upon it” (verses 25-26). Sitting upon this vehicle is the God of
Ezekiel—the great God of Israel whom all the world will one day come to know.
This great God of Ezekiel 1, riding atop this awesome transportation system,
looks like a man. in Genesis 1, God created us in His own likeness and image.
That man is the only creature in the world that looks like God! That many
places in the bible he talks about His eyes and ears and hands and such.
“And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within
it, from the appearance of his loins evenupward, and from the appearance of his
loins even downward, Isaw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness
round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain ,
so was the appearance of the brightnessround about. This was the appearance of
the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I
heard a voice of one that spake” (Ezekiel 1:27-28). Compare this with Revelation 1.
This is what He looks like and how He travels. How many people know this God?
Ezekiel fell over in shock when he saw this vision. He could do nothing but prostrate
himself before this resplendent Being. And it was then that God spoke to him.
This is the God of the Bible. This is not little Lord Jesus in a manger, or Christ
riding on a donkey. This is the God of Ezekiel and Revelation and the whole Bible!
13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed
with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were
as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;
and his voice as the sound of many waters.
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The “word of the Lord came to me.” “And he said unto me,
Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee”
God repeats that phrase son of man 87 times throughout this book.
Some translations render it you mortal man. He really hammered
Ezekiel with that point!
God works with the lowliest of the Earth (1 Corinthians 1:26-29).
(verse 4) Ezekiel was seeing God in a vision, revealed to a slave.
This world is soon about to know this God for the first time ever.
(verses like Ezekiel6:7, 10; 12:15, 20; 16:62; 34:27; 37:13-14.)
"one like unto the Son of man"
First A description of the spectacular vehicle that God rides in. (verses 5-10).
The creatures transporting God were cherubim, and they each have four faces
—one looks like a man;the others look like animals: an ox, a lion, an eagle.
The ordinaryangels apparently resemble men. But cherubim are not ordinary
angels—“every one had four faces.”
(verse 13). This must have been most impressive—living creatures
lit up like fire, and lightning coming out of the fire! -so awesome
Ezekiel saw this great, luminous vehicle with wings and revolving wheels
moving at lightning speed. It never had to turn; it would move instantly in
any direction, it looked like torches or lightning darting around.
The God of Exekiel
“And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when
they stood, and had let down theirwings. And above the firmament that was
over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire
stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was [the likeness as the appearance]
of a man above upon it” (verses 25-26). Sitting upon this vehicle is the God of
Ezekiel—the great God of Israel whom all the world will one day come to know.
This great God of Ezekiel 1, riding atop this awesome transportation system,
looks like a man. in Genesis 1, God created us in His own likeness and image.
That man is the only creature in the world that looks like God! That many
places in the bible he talks about His eyes and ears and hands and such.
“And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within
it, from the appearance of his loins evenupward, and from the appearance of his
loins even downward, Isaw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness
round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain ,
so was the appearance of the brightnessround about. This was the appearance of
the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I
heard a voice of one that spake” (Ezekiel 1:27-28). Compare this with Revelation 1.
This is what He looks like and how He travels. How many people know this God?
Ezekiel fell over in shock when he saw this vision. He could do nothing but prostrate
himself before this resplendent Being. And it was then that God spoke to him.
This is the God of the Bible. This is not little Lord Jesus in a manger, or Christ
riding on a donkey. This is the God of Ezekiel and Revelation and the whole Bible!
13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed
with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were
as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;
and his voice as the sound of many waters.
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The “word of the Lord came to me.” “And he said unto me,
Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee”
God repeats that phrase son of man 87 times throughout this book.
Some translations render it you mortal man. He really hammered
Ezekiel with that point!
God works with the lowliest of the Earth (1 Corinthians 1:26-29).
(verse 4) Ezekiel was seeing God in a vision, revealed to a slave.
This world is soon about to know this God for the first time ever.
(verses like Ezekiel6:7, 10; 12:15, 20; 16:62; 34:27; 37:13-14.)
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Do you know every year the Passover and days of unleavened convocations,
the day of the week changes year to year, running on Gods calander?
The year Christ died , the two high holy days of unleavened bread was [not] on
the first day of the week, [sunday] was a normal work day in the new testement.
You listed a couple of Gods holy convocations to be observed,
and not one says to celebrate the sunrise resurrection or easter.
Jesus keep the passover with the apostles, told us "do in rememberance of"
Christ was presented to God on the "wave shelf offering"
-do you wave Christ in the air for God to except his blood offering ?
God accepts the lambs blood- wave-sheaf offering
Leviticus 23 explains all of God’s festivals proclaimed holy convocations,
Beginning verse 9, we find instructions for the wave-sheaf offering.
The Israelites were not allowed to harvest any of the early grain crop until this day.
Then, on the day following the weekly Sabbath, in a solemn ceremony of
the Levitical priesthood,The sheaf was then brought to the priest.
The priest solemnly waved it before the Eternal to be accepted for them.
This event always occurred during the Days of Unleavened Bread.
This pictures the resurrected Christ ascending to heaven to be accepted by
His Father as the very first human to be actually born of God in this fashion.
-the firstfruit of the first harvest of souls!
By comparing John 20:17 with Matthew 28:9, you will see that Christ presented
Himself before the Father on the morning after His resurrection the previous even.
(1 Corinthians 15:20, 23; Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15, 18).
yes This fulfillment of the wavesheaf offering actually occurred on Sunday,
the morrow after the Sabbath during the Days of Unleavened Bread.
This does not tell us to keep sunday as A resurection celebration.
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“feast of firstfruits,” and or “feast of weeks.”
The word Pentecost is a Greek word, used in the New Testament, but not in the Old.
It signifies “fiftieth (day). Old Testament this feast is called “feast of firstfruits,”
and “feast of weeks.” A Holy convocation apostles keep after Christ had risen.
Pentecost pictures the first part of the spiritual harvest— the calling out of the Church
the called-out ones—which, for the New Testament dispensation, began on Pentecost,
On that day the Holy Spirit came to dwell within flesh, as prophesied by Joel.
On the 50th day (Pentecost) in Old Testament times, two “wave loaves” (Lev 23:17, 20
were brought out of the habitations of the congregation as [the firstfruits unto the Lord].
Just so the New Testament Church was gathered out of this world as the firstfruits
of His salvation, in fulfillment of the meaning of the wave loaves.
And just as the wave sheaf was lifted up into the air and waved, symbolizing Christ’s
trip to heaven and return, so the wave loaves were lifted up and waved, symbolizing
that we too shall for a moment leave this solid Earth when we ascend to meet in the air
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
before we return with Him to stand on the Mount of Olives as
He begins His millennial rule on earth (Acts 1:11; Zechariah 14:3-4).
17Ye shall bring out of your habitations [two] wave loaves of two tenth deals:
they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven;
they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.
-one of the loaves here is for each of us, for a future acceptence by God.
This happenes on another Holy convocation of Gods in the future.
1 Corinthians 15:20 (ASV)
20 But now hath Christ been raised from the dead,
the firstfruits of them that are asleep.
1 Corinthians 15:23 (KJV)
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to
the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
1 Corinthians 10:30
For if I by grace be a partaker,
why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
I have accepted the blood he shed for us , that payed for my past sins,
I do this passover in rememberance of Him. Then also In honor its said
to keep a feast, then the bible says to purge out the leaven [false doctrine]
It was God the Fathers job, of Accepting or rejecting the spotless lamb back
in heaven, this event is called the wave shelf offering, you are not part of that.
wave-shelf, this would be one of those shadows of things to come, also pentacost.
The next event would be the Feast of Trumpets is [still to come], at the last trumph
“And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown,
and they [Israel] shall come which were ready to perish … and shall worship
the [Eternal] in the holy mount at Jerusalem” (Isaiah 27:13).
the day of the week changes year to year, running on Gods calander?
The year Christ died , the two high holy days of unleavened bread was [not] on
the first day of the week, [sunday] was a normal work day in the new testement.
You listed a couple of Gods holy convocations to be observed,
and not one says to celebrate the sunrise resurrection or easter.
Jesus keep the passover with the apostles, told us "do in rememberance of"
Christ was presented to God on the "wave shelf offering"
-do you wave Christ in the air for God to except his blood offering ?
God accepts the lambs blood- wave-sheaf offering
Leviticus 23 explains all of God’s festivals proclaimed holy convocations,
Beginning verse 9, we find instructions for the wave-sheaf offering.
The Israelites were not allowed to harvest any of the early grain crop until this day.
Then, on the day following the weekly Sabbath, in a solemn ceremony of
the Levitical priesthood,The sheaf was then brought to the priest.
The priest solemnly waved it before the Eternal to be accepted for them.
This event always occurred during the Days of Unleavened Bread.
This pictures the resurrected Christ ascending to heaven to be accepted by
His Father as the very first human to be actually born of God in this fashion.
-the firstfruit of the first harvest of souls!
By comparing John 20:17 with Matthew 28:9, you will see that Christ presented
Himself before the Father on the morning after His resurrection the previous even.
(1 Corinthians 15:20, 23; Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15, 18).
yes This fulfillment of the wavesheaf offering actually occurred on Sunday,
the morrow after the Sabbath during the Days of Unleavened Bread.
This does not tell us to keep sunday as A resurection celebration.
-
“feast of firstfruits,” and or “feast of weeks.”
The word Pentecost is a Greek word, used in the New Testament, but not in the Old.
It signifies “fiftieth (day). Old Testament this feast is called “feast of firstfruits,”
and “feast of weeks.” A Holy convocation apostles keep after Christ had risen.
Pentecost pictures the first part of the spiritual harvest— the calling out of the Church
the called-out ones—which, for the New Testament dispensation, began on Pentecost,
On that day the Holy Spirit came to dwell within flesh, as prophesied by Joel.
On the 50th day (Pentecost) in Old Testament times, two “wave loaves” (Lev 23:17, 20
were brought out of the habitations of the congregation as [the firstfruits unto the Lord].
Just so the New Testament Church was gathered out of this world as the firstfruits
of His salvation, in fulfillment of the meaning of the wave loaves.
And just as the wave sheaf was lifted up into the air and waved, symbolizing Christ’s
trip to heaven and return, so the wave loaves were lifted up and waved, symbolizing
that we too shall for a moment leave this solid Earth when we ascend to meet in the air
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
before we return with Him to stand on the Mount of Olives as
He begins His millennial rule on earth (Acts 1:11; Zechariah 14:3-4).
17Ye shall bring out of your habitations [two] wave loaves of two tenth deals:
they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven;
they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.
-one of the loaves here is for each of us, for a future acceptence by God.
This happenes on another Holy convocation of Gods in the future.
1 Corinthians 15:20 (ASV)
20 But now hath Christ been raised from the dead,
the firstfruits of them that are asleep.
1 Corinthians 15:23 (KJV)
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to
the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
1 Corinthians 10:30
For if I by grace be a partaker,
why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
I have accepted the blood he shed for us , that payed for my past sins,
I do this passover in rememberance of Him. Then also In honor its said
to keep a feast, then the bible says to purge out the leaven [false doctrine]
It was God the Fathers job, of Accepting or rejecting the spotless lamb back
in heaven, this event is called the wave shelf offering, you are not part of that.
wave-shelf, this would be one of those shadows of things to come, also pentacost.
The next event would be the Feast of Trumpets is [still to come], at the last trumph
“And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown,
and they [Israel] shall come which were ready to perish … and shall worship
the [Eternal] in the holy mount at Jerusalem” (Isaiah 27:13).
The Sabbath is well known from scripture to be the seventh day which is Saturday, and Sunday is the first day.
The Bible is clear that God blessed and hallowed the Sabbath. Not Sunday.
The question that needs to be answered is weather or not God wants us to obey the law (4th commandment), or not.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo_16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
The Bible is clear that God blessed and hallowed the Sabbath. Not Sunday.
The question that needs to be answered is weather or not God wants us to obey the law (4th commandment), or not.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo_16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
The Passover only pictures the death of Christ
for the remission of sins that are past (Romans 3:25).
They (Israelits) started out on their own power
—and we must make the start ourselves.
But they did not get far until Pharaoh pursued after them (Exodus 14:5-7).
If Egypt is a type of sin, then surely Pharaoh must picture Satan;
the army of Egypt, Satan’s demons.
And, as the Israelites went out with a high hand (Numbers 33:3),
in great exultation and elation over their deliverance from bondage,
so does the newly begotten Christian start out his Christian life
The devil and sin immediately pursue after the newly begotten son of God.
as soon as the Israelites saw this great army pursuing them, they lost their
courage. Fear came over them. They began to grumble and complain.
They saw it was impossible for them to get away from Pharaoh and his army,
because he was too powerful for them. And they were helpless.
So it is with us. notice the message of God to them through Moses:
“Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the [Eternal]for the Egyptians …
ye shall see them again no more for ever. The [Eternal] shall fight for you”
Helpless, we are told to stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord.
He shall fight for us. We cannot conquer Satan and sin, but He can.
It is the risen Christ—our High Priest—who will cleanse us—sanctify us
—deliver us—who said He would never leave us nor forsake us!
The angel that had gone before, showing the Israelites the way, now went
behind them, getting between them and their enemy, protecting them.
And then God parted the waters of the Red Sea. “[A]nd the waters were a wall
unto them on their right hand, and on their left”
In Isaiah 55:1 and John 7:37-39, the waters are a symbol of the Holy Spirit.
The living waters of God are a wall to us, on our right hand and on our left,
guiding us in the true path, making the path, protecting us in it.
the feast of Unleavened Bread, as well as the Passover, was ordained
and established forever memorial, prior to the Old Covenant.
a memorial picturing deliverance from sin, in our right hand and forehead,
as Adam sins where covered by shed blood back then, the first man
for the remission of sins that are past (Romans 3:25).
They (Israelits) started out on their own power
—and we must make the start ourselves.
But they did not get far until Pharaoh pursued after them (Exodus 14:5-7).
If Egypt is a type of sin, then surely Pharaoh must picture Satan;
the army of Egypt, Satan’s demons.
And, as the Israelites went out with a high hand (Numbers 33:3),
in great exultation and elation over their deliverance from bondage,
so does the newly begotten Christian start out his Christian life
The devil and sin immediately pursue after the newly begotten son of God.
as soon as the Israelites saw this great army pursuing them, they lost their
courage. Fear came over them. They began to grumble and complain.
They saw it was impossible for them to get away from Pharaoh and his army,
because he was too powerful for them. And they were helpless.
So it is with us. notice the message of God to them through Moses:
“Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the [Eternal]for the Egyptians …
ye shall see them again no more for ever. The [Eternal] shall fight for you”
Helpless, we are told to stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord.
He shall fight for us. We cannot conquer Satan and sin, but He can.
It is the risen Christ—our High Priest—who will cleanse us—sanctify us
—deliver us—who said He would never leave us nor forsake us!
The angel that had gone before, showing the Israelites the way, now went
behind them, getting between them and their enemy, protecting them.
And then God parted the waters of the Red Sea. “[A]nd the waters were a wall
unto them on their right hand, and on their left”
In Isaiah 55:1 and John 7:37-39, the waters are a symbol of the Holy Spirit.
The living waters of God are a wall to us, on our right hand and on our left,
guiding us in the true path, making the path, protecting us in it.
the feast of Unleavened Bread, as well as the Passover, was ordained
and established forever memorial, prior to the Old Covenant.
a memorial picturing deliverance from sin, in our right hand and forehead,
as Adam sins where covered by shed blood back then, the first man
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I see you are good at COPY/PASTE from Ritualwell's website.
Well then let me COPY/PASTE from there explaining their mission statement:
NOW, explain to me how that is NOT BEING A JUDAIZER?
Galatians 2:14 (ESV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
So which Watchtower Magazines, influenced your theology:
"The name Jehovah's witnesses was adopted in 1931 to distinguish themselves from other Bible Student groups and symbolize a break with the legacy of Russell's traditions. ... They do not observe Christmas, Easter, birthdays or other holidays and customs they consider to have pagan origins incompatible with Christianity."
So what ARE YOU? You quote Judaizer's; your theology mirror's that of Charles Russell, and you argue like one who has been brain-washed by Psuedo Christian Cult. WHAT TYPE OF CHURCH DO YOU ATTEND?
I attend a large non-denominational Community Church, that classifies itself as a Conservative Evangelical Church. We believe in the Literal Interpretation method of understanding the Scriptures, and we are premillennial, pretibulation, dispensationalists.
Please be kind enough to TELL US WHAT YOU ARE, and whether or not you BELIEVE in the DEITY of the LORD, JESUS CHRIST.
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prove-all is an Armstrongite..he follows the teachings of Herbert Armstrong, which includes the belief that he will become a member of the God family, just like God the Father and Jesus Christ. I used to be one of them. He and john832 are associated with these beliefs. prove-all remarked that he feared I had "lost my salvation" due to rejecting Armstrongism in the past. It's pretty funny actually.
I will continue to warn individuals on the forum that individuals who believe these sorts of things are participating.
I will continue to warn individuals on the forum that individuals who believe these sorts of things are participating.
this is another slanders lie, I posted a couple bible verses,
just like everything else , you twist what others have said and believe.
I am not your judge, you seem to judge others at a drop of a hat.
You attack a person, and can not even follow what Paul says.
Also it is not my fault you do not believe you will become A Son of God.
just like everything else , you twist what others have said and believe.
I am not your judge, you seem to judge others at a drop of a hat.
You attack a person, and can not even follow what Paul says.
Also it is not my fault you do not believe you will become A Son of God.
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In essence, you said that you feared I had lost my saltiness. By this you meant that you feared I had lost my salvation, correct?
I have been looking for that post so I can link to it. I haven't found it yet but I likely will. So be careful if you deny what you said because I will likely find it.
By the way, other Sabbathkeepers have said similar things. A SDA in the chat room talked to me twice one-on-one making a similar claim. It is plain that many of them think keeping the Sabbath is a requirement of salvation.
I have been looking for that post so I can link to it. I haven't found it yet but I likely will. So be careful if you deny what you said because I will likely find it.
By the way, other Sabbathkeepers have said similar things. A SDA in the chat room talked to me twice one-on-one making a similar claim. It is plain that many of them think keeping the Sabbath is a requirement of salvation.
Let the Bible be your judge.
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Jeremiah 1:7
But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.
Jeremiah 1:9
Then the LORD put forth His hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.
Seventh Day Adventists believe the Bible is not verbally inspired of God, but He only inspired the thoughts of the writers (known as thought inspiration).
Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Seventh Day Adventists believe the writings of Ellen G. White are the word of god and that she is a prophet. Her writings are revered and elevated to be equal to the Bible much in the same fashion as Mormons add the book of Mormon, and many others add the apocrypha. They then try to excuse this by saying that the Bible is the final authority.
In conclusion, I would think that these factors should be rectified first before worrying about what day the Sabbath is.
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Jeremiah 1:7
But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.
Jeremiah 1:9
Then the LORD put forth His hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.
Seventh Day Adventists believe the Bible is not verbally inspired of God, but He only inspired the thoughts of the writers (known as thought inspiration).
Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Seventh Day Adventists believe the writings of Ellen G. White are the word of god and that she is a prophet. Her writings are revered and elevated to be equal to the Bible much in the same fashion as Mormons add the book of Mormon, and many others add the apocrypha. They then try to excuse this by saying that the Bible is the final authority.
In conclusion, I would think that these factors should be rectified first before worrying about what day the Sabbath is.
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you rebuttal was to drag my name in the mud, post #22
not one bible verse to back up what was said in post .
I had asked again-
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ot-movement-messianic-jews-4.html#post3037903
ok lets start by reading post 19 again- tell me Pauls error in my post
and why you reject his writings and not believe then?
no straight answer or comment from you before about this post still.
-and again no reply on subject matter by post #61,
just more slander on peoples characters by you.
now you post slander on this thread, and no bible verses to backup again.
Do you believe Paul, and what he said, that I posted here or on #19 ?
or is this your time to ignore me again on this subject matter.
you rebuttal was to drag my name in the mud, post #22
not one bible verse to back up what was said in post .
I had asked again-
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ot-movement-messianic-jews-4.html#post3037903
ok lets start by reading post 19 again- tell me Pauls error in my post
and why you reject his writings and not believe then?
no straight answer or comment from you before about this post still.
-and again no reply on subject matter by post #61,
just more slander on peoples characters by you.
now you post slander on this thread, and no bible verses to backup again.
Do you believe Paul, and what he said, that I posted here or on #19 ?
or is this your time to ignore me again on this subject matter.