United Airlines stocks plummets by 1.4 billion in one day
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The police did not use a sword to cut the guys head off, nor did they use excessive force. The cry baby passenger refused to leave. The police's choice was to remove him, or leave him on the plane for all eternity. Just let him live there until he dies of old age.
Speaking of stupid what ifs like the samurai sword scenario; a man sits down in the highway and refuses to leave, the police can either: 1. Drag him off, causing all sorts of injury, or 2. Have the highway department build a bridge over top of him.
Sure the airline will settle for an amount that is less then the cost of litigation, but if it goes to litigation, the passenger wont win much.
The scenario is only "stupid" because it's a couple notches above beating/blooding/knocking out the man for not leaving the plane. The point I was making, if you weren't able to gather, is that there is no legal justification for that kind of force. Since we are talking about stupid things, why are there only 2 options in how to handle this situation? It's either "wait until the man dies of old age" or "knock him out". As if that is the only course of action to take. lol
Even United stated it was excessive force... most people who watched the video believe it was excessive force... you're the only person on here that thinks it's not. I suppose our opinions are irrelevant, what matters is law. There IS legal justification for kicking the man off (no one is arguing that) but there IS NOT legal justification to knock him out when he wasn't a physical threat. Once again, even United has admitted this. Maybe you can argue they only admit this to save face... but either way, it's the truth.
Even United stated it was excessive force... most people who watched the video believe it was excessive force... you're the only person on here that thinks it's not. I suppose our opinions are irrelevant, what matters is law. There IS legal justification for kicking the man off (no one is arguing that) but there IS NOT legal justification to knock him out when he wasn't a physical threat. Once again, even United has admitted this. Maybe you can argue they only admit this to save face... but either way, it's the truth.
Airlines have broad discretion to remove paying passengers from planes.
"He wasn't leaving his seat, therefore he was uncooperative, therefore he
was considered disruptive and they removed him," Elliott says. "The legal
agreement between you and the airline basically says, 'We can remove you
at any time for any reason from one of our flights.' "
It happens "routinely," Elliott says. According to Department of
Transportation numbers, some 46,000 people were "involuntarily denied
boarding" by major airlines in 2015 — although Elliott notes that most of
those people were denied boarding in the first place, not dragged off a plane.
And it doesn't mean those people misbehaved. It's perfectly legal
for an airline to "overbook," or sell more tickets than it has, and
then kick some unlucky travelers off the flight.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/10/523275494/passenger-forcibly-removed-from-united-flight-prompting-outcry
"He wasn't leaving his seat, therefore he was uncooperative, therefore he
was considered disruptive and they removed him," Elliott says. "The legal
agreement between you and the airline basically says, 'We can remove you
at any time for any reason from one of our flights.' "
It happens "routinely," Elliott says. According to Department of
Transportation numbers, some 46,000 people were "involuntarily denied
boarding" by major airlines in 2015 — although Elliott notes that most of
those people were denied boarding in the first place, not dragged off a plane.
And it doesn't mean those people misbehaved. It's perfectly legal
for an airline to "overbook," or sell more tickets than it has, and
then kick some unlucky travelers off the flight.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/10/523275494/passenger-forcibly-removed-from-united-flight-prompting-outcry
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The police did not beat/bloody/knock this man. As can be seen on this video : https://youtu.be/5zgbMIiPTS4.
Don't let the fact the guy screamed like a girl and some woman says "oh my God" 50 times, color what you are actually seeing. As for how the man got a bloody lip, looks like when the police grabbed his arm, he threw is own face into a fixed object. You can't watch that video and honestly say the police hit, punched, beat, knocked the guy.
What I see wrong; why did they let him run back on the plane?
Don't let the fact the guy screamed like a girl and some woman says "oh my God" 50 times, color what you are actually seeing. As for how the man got a bloody lip, looks like when the police grabbed his arm, he threw is own face into a fixed object. You can't watch that video and honestly say the police hit, punched, beat, knocked the guy.
What I see wrong; why did they let him run back on the plane?
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So if the "security" didn't do it how did he become bloodied and with his glasses halfway down his face? Are you saying he did it to himself?? Or are you saying it magically just happened? Would YOU like to be treated in this disrespectful manor because you didn't want to give up the seat you had paid for. How embarrassing that a doctor who wished to get home to treat patients was disrespected in this way. Are you saying this is OK? And yes I watched the video and I find it shocking that this man was treated with brute force by legalised bullies.
As I suggested in an earlier post, there were other methods they could have used and their shares would have remained stable. They deserve all they get and I for one would never choose to fly with United.
As I suggested in an earlier post, there were other methods they could have used and their shares would have remained stable. They deserve all they get and I for one would never choose to fly with United.
Quite a few years ago, my husband was regularly flying across Canada, and always on Air Canada. One time, there was an overbooked flight. They asked for volunteers. They promised seat vouchers. No one volunteered. Including my husband!
They kept upping the prize for not boarding the plane. (Yes, it was done in the boarding area, before they got on the plane!) My husband had not volunteered, because he was traveling for work, and hadn't paid for the tickets anyway. Plus, he was not sure what his boss would say about not arriving on time.
But, the pot got bigger. I think there were 4 tickets necessary to be bumped. He is not sure if he volunteered in the end, but he did not get on that flight, and he got a big prize for doing it.
I don't like Air Canada in the least, but at least they handled it properly. Ask for volunteers and up the pot if no one volunteers at first. I wonder if Air Canada still does that?
Well, after this incident, I think airlines will be much more careful about when and how they bump people, whether it is for employees or overbooked.
They kept upping the prize for not boarding the plane. (Yes, it was done in the boarding area, before they got on the plane!) My husband had not volunteered, because he was traveling for work, and hadn't paid for the tickets anyway. Plus, he was not sure what his boss would say about not arriving on time.
But, the pot got bigger. I think there were 4 tickets necessary to be bumped. He is not sure if he volunteered in the end, but he did not get on that flight, and he got a big prize for doing it.
I don't like Air Canada in the least, but at least they handled it properly. Ask for volunteers and up the pot if no one volunteers at first. I wonder if Air Canada still does that?
Well, after this incident, I think airlines will be much more careful about when and how they bump people, whether it is for employees or overbooked.