TRIBULATION LIE

[buddyt]

Samuel23
I wouldn't pay to much attention to what is being said here to do with this RAPTURE thing. It's being preached all over. If people have a problem with the Tribulation of the Antichrist they should read 2 Thessalonians verses 3 &4. Children of grade school age can read this with understanding.
Some people call Gods wrath a second Tribulation and it is really. But I know God Loves me and will protect me just as he says he will. For the most part the church is teaching they have to be removed to escape the wrath. This is just False teaching. Something Satan will use to snatch people up left and right. I have yet to see anyone comment on Ezekiel 13:20. I don't understand how a man can read what God has to say about the FLY AWAY and be Bull Headed and refuse to believe Him.

 

[valiant]

Samuel23
I wouldn't pay to much attention to what is being said here to do with this RAPTURE thing. It's being preached all over. If people have a problem with the Tribulation of the Antichrist they should read 2 Thessalonians verses 3 &4. Children of grade school age can read this with understanding.

There is no mention of any special tribulation period in 2 Thessalonians. It takes people with the mind of school age children to read it in. It is actually about the times of the Roman persecution in 1st and 2nd centuries.

Some people call Gods wrath a second Tribulation and it is really.

God's wrath is mentioned in Rom 1.18. All these things have happened long ago.,

There will of course be general tribulation at the end, even as there has already been. But it will be no worse than the past. It will certainly not be worldwide as we know it today. Much of Revelation is history (and I am not preterite).

The Tribulation is like the future millennium, a pure invention of the unlearned

 

[wolfwint]

There is no mention of any special tribulation period in 2 Thessalonians. It takes people with the mind of school age children to read it in. It is actually about the times of the Roman persecution in 1st and 2nd centuries.



God's wrath is mentioned in Rom 1.18. All these things have happened long ago.,

There will of course be general tribulation at the end, even as there has already been. But it will be no worse than the past. It will certainly not be worldwide as we know it today. Much of Revelation is history (and I am not preterite).

The Tribulation is like the future millennium, a pure invention of the unlearned

Good that you know IT so very well. But IT is without love if you hold people which have a different view for stupid( unlearned schoolchildren). As I said we will see it !

 

[dcontroversal]

Guess again...


The 'Day of the Lord' starts when He "arrives on the scene" to set up His 1000-year reign ( His Earthly Kingdom ).

The 'Day of the Lord' is both - the 1000 years - and - the first day of that 1000 years ( the most-often referred to ).


BTW - there are at least 58 places that speak of the day of the Lord.

AMEN....DAY of the LORD, CHRIST and GOD all are tied together as one day by PAUL and PETER.....all three commence at the 7th Trump of REVELATION

a. Day of the LORD commences as JESUS seizes control of all earthly kingdoms
b. Day of Christ commences as JESUS rewards the servants, prophets and saints young and old
c. Day of God commences as the wrath of GOD is announced as BEING HERE.....

0ne day, three aspects as JESUS is LORD, Christ and GOD

 

[dcontroversal]

Really?!?

Does it actually say that?

"powers of darkness"

Or, do you think that is what is "says" because you believe that:

'gates of hell' = "powers of darkness"

I always viewed this as death shall not overtake the Lord's church......and for sure, Satan has moved many a man to try and kill it out

 

[dcontroversal]

Because we go through 2000 years of Tribulation. 2000 years is greater than 7 years. The Time of Trouble like never before is also a great tribulation in that it is the worst tribulation of all. I would get to to bent out of shape on semantics of translated words. The Church is in Heaven in Rev. chapter 7. The Martyrs under the Alter are specifically told to wait until their brothers had been murdered also.....Or until the Anti-Christs reign of terror was over.




The Day of the Lord s Gods Wrath. It is not a single Day, anyone can see that. I my word search I found 31.....That was enough to discount your understanding.

One day, three aspects found initiated and commencing at the 7th trump

DAY of the LORD<---seizes earthly control of ALL kingdoms as LORD over the earth
Day of Christ<---Rewards the prophets, saints, young and old that fear God as Christ
Day of GOD<----WRATH announced as being here..as God

Jesus is LORD, CHRIST and GOD

 

[miknik5]

Is that the best you can come up with?? For crying out loud...PROVE ME WRONG!!! You are suppose to be the experts on the pre-trib and why it is true. Take my story apart...waiting.

It will be what it will be

 

[dcontroversal]

not so---See Rev 6:15-17.."15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


someone previously stated that the people who were hiding said the verse 17.....NO Notice the Colon: a separator from the other part of the paragraph....... This actually comes from Jesus Himself.."For the great day of his wrath is come"

NOT hardly....so...you now promote a contradiction....the announced WRATH (ORGE OF GOD) is made at the 7th trump as having arrived.........the 6th seal is their PERCEPTION not the STATED ARRIVAL before the THRONE in HEAVEN.....

Rule 4. A colon instead of a semicolon may be used between independent clauses when the second sentence explains, illustrates, paraphrases, or expands on the first sentence. Example: He got what he worked for: he really earned that promotion

and I am interested in seeing a colon in GREEK....how is that again.....I don't remember a colon, semi colon......

 

[Ahwatukee]

Really?!?

Does it actually say that?

"powers of darkness"

Or, do you think that is what is "says" because you believe that:

'gates of hell' = "powers of darkness"

The phrase "the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it" refers to the powers of darkness not overcoming the church, whom all true believers wrestle against, as in the following:

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." Eph. 6:12

 

[miknik5]

There is no mention of any special tribulation period in 2 Thessalonians. It takes people with the mind of school age children to read it in. It is actually about the times of the Roman persecution in 1st and 2nd centuries.



God's wrath is mentioned in Rom 1.18. All these things have happened long ago.,

There will of course be general tribulation at the end, even as there has already been. But it will be no worse than the past. It will certainly not be worldwide as we know it today. Much of Revelation is history (and I am not preterite).

The Tribulation is like the future millennium, a pure invention of the unlearned

It will be worse


HE said a day like no other and that and never will be again
HE says for the elect HE will shorten the days and had HE not shorten the days, no flesh would be saved


when what is spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2 actually occurs, it will be a day like no other because the ONE who holds all things by HIS everyday natural graces upon HIS "clay jars" will be taken out of the way

And when HE is taken out of the way, evil will have full reign

 

[dcontroversal]

It will be what it will be

I used to think like that....you know...for every 1 prophecy concerning his first coming there are 8 (eight) that deal with his second coming.....every word is inspired and profitable.....Jesus seen fit to give us the 8 for 1 prophetic truths, as it is something we are to learn, study and be aware of.....just saying and not hammering friend

 

[Ahwatukee]

NOT hardly....so...you now promote a contradiction....the announced WRATH (ORGE OF GOD) is made at the 7th trump as having arrived.........the 6th seal is their PERCEPTION not the STATED ARRIVAL before the THRONE in HEAVEN.....

Rule 4. A colon instead of a semicolon may be used between independent clauses when the second sentence explains, illustrates, paraphrases, or expands on the first sentence. Example: He got what he worked for: he really earned that promotion

and I am interested in seeing a colon in GREEK....how is that again.....I don't remember a colon, semi colon......

"Is Come" or "has come" makes no difference and that because those two words are translated from "erchomai" which is in the aorist tense.

 

[dcontroversal]

What must happen and where does it say it in the Bible.

2nd Thessalonians 2:1-7......................for one-->the PAROUSIA of CHRIST that is to say our gathering together unto him<---SHALL NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL......!

 

[dcontroversal]

"Is Come" or "has come" makes no difference and that because those two words are translated from "erchomai" which is in the aorist tense.

To you maybe not....makes perfect sense in context and with a post tribulation ingathering......and regardless...I will take the announcement in heaven over men and their opinion<---those hiding or attempting to hide

 

[miknik5]

I used to think like that....you know...for every 1 prophecy concerning his first coming there are 8 (eight) that deal with his second coming.....every word is inspired and profitable.....Jesus seen fit to give us the 8 for 1 prophetic truths, as it is something we are to learn, study and be aware of.....just saying and not hammering friend

May I ask you, where do you place the building of the temple?
Before or during the seven year tribulation?

 

[valiant]

It will be worse


HE said a day like no other and that and never will be again
HE says for the elect HE will shorten the days and had HE not shorten the days, no flesh would be saved

Yes, He was speaking about the great tribulation on the Jews which commenced c 70 ad and has continued to the present time. It has been a time like no other, and will never be so again. For the sake of the elect among the Jews it has been shortened or no flesh would be saved. It is quite obvious really when you read Jesus' correctly without the modern inventions.

 

[dcontroversal]

Why can you not see that God's wrath start at Rev 6: 15-17. Where is the time for the Bema seat, The wedding supper,,, if Post rapture... Up and Down.....I guess as someone else said,,, Guess we will just have a sack lunch.

.nothing you say will change my mind


Ah,,,,,, If this is the case, then you and I have nothing concerning the Bible to argue about.....


Tomorrow Saturday here will be a rainy day. Good day to read a good book.

7th trump and we will be eternal and in an eternal state one day is as a thousand years....if the wrath is say...45 days that would mean 45,000 years (comparable timing) could pass...plenty of time and like time will matter and the whole argument you present...no offence, but......it is a weak argument for imminent return......wow

 

[valiant]

May I ask you, where do you place the building of the temple?
Before or during the seven year tribulation?

LOL any temple rebuilt will be displeasing to God. It is not mentioned in Scripture.

 

[miknik5]

Yes, He was speaking about the great tribulation on the Jews which commenced c 70 ad and has continued to the present time. It has been a time like no other, and will never be so again. For the sake of the elect among the Jews it has been shortened or no flesh would be saved. It is quite obvious really when you read Jesus' correctly without the modern inventions.

Do you see a physical temple yet?

 

[miknik5]

LOL any temple rebuilt will be displeasing to God. It is not mentioned in Scripture.

It will be built during troublous times

just as prophecied in Daniel
and just as mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2

and during sone part of that time, the man in linen will be delayed "21" days and only Michael, the prince of Daniel's people will help HIM