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By the Church's standards, I am a 5-point Calvinist.
I have mixed feelings on the word "Calvinist." (Which, btw was my point on trying to come up with another word for Arminians. Calvinist is often used in a mocking tone, as is Arminians. I don't like to be called a Calvinist because of that, so I don't want to call non-Calvinists Arminians for the same reason. BUT Pelagan is a full-on insult to all Christians, so I really hate that word. And so I tried Wesleyans, because no one gets insulted by being called a Wesleyan. That was exactly what I've been trying to say, but I get this distinct feeling that Wesleyan ticks you off, because I don't know enough about Wesley.
So, now I'm really stuck on what to call non-reformeds that isn't insulting, because I don't like to be insulted. lol) BUT so few non-TULIPers (better word? lol) understand the words "Reformed Theology," that it's hard to call myself Reformed because so few know what the heck I'm talking about.
So, I consider myself Reformed, (and, in all honestly, I don't really consider 3-pointers or 4-pointers Reformed. They're a mixed bag), but I don't mind Calvinist just as long as there is no mocking meant by the word.
And, just so people understand, darn tooting! The mockers insult me. I'm not stupid enough not to notice. I'm begging like crazy to God to give me the strength not to go snarky! Or to defend myself. I also use the ignore feature on this site quite often, because I'm not good at letting that alone. You can seriously judge when I remember to do that and when I don't. You can tell when I don't because I'm still practicing the art of ignore. Not mastered yet. Practicing!
And, one other thing about me -- I will tell you the truth of what I see no matter who you are. When you do wrong, I'll call you on it. When you do right, I'll "like," agree, high-five, or let you know that too. I give what I want to get. This is who I am. No defense needed.
I have mixed feelings on the word "Calvinist." (Which, btw was my point on trying to come up with another word for Arminians. Calvinist is often used in a mocking tone, as is Arminians. I don't like to be called a Calvinist because of that, so I don't want to call non-Calvinists Arminians for the same reason. BUT Pelagan is a full-on insult to all Christians, so I really hate that word. And so I tried Wesleyans, because no one gets insulted by being called a Wesleyan. That was exactly what I've been trying to say, but I get this distinct feeling that Wesleyan ticks you off, because I don't know enough about Wesley.
So, now I'm really stuck on what to call non-reformeds that isn't insulting, because I don't like to be insulted. lol) BUT so few non-TULIPers (better word? lol) understand the words "Reformed Theology," that it's hard to call myself Reformed because so few know what the heck I'm talking about.So, I consider myself Reformed, (and, in all honestly, I don't really consider 3-pointers or 4-pointers Reformed. They're a mixed bag), but I don't mind Calvinist just as long as there is no mocking meant by the word.
And, just so people understand, darn tooting! The mockers insult me. I'm not stupid enough not to notice. I'm begging like crazy to God to give me the strength not to go snarky! Or to defend myself. I also use the ignore feature on this site quite often, because I'm not good at letting that alone. You can seriously judge when I remember to do that and when I don't. You can tell when I don't because I'm still practicing the art of ignore. Not mastered yet. Practicing!
And, one other thing about me -- I will tell you the truth of what I see no matter who you are. When you do wrong, I'll call you on it. When you do right, I'll "like," agree, high-five, or let you know that too. I give what I want to get. This is who I am. No defense needed.
We are all human. It's hard not to react to insults.
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My thought on Baptists is "they like to get wet once." Outside of that, they're across the board. My thought on Presbyterian is "they like Church Order." Outside of that, we're across the board.
And I wish I was the one who told you about Sproule. He seems a favorite of my friends, but I've never read him. I'm more likely to turn you onto Boice or Piper.
BTW, is the Canadian Southern Baptist out of Winnipeg? That's about the southest you can go, right? lol
And I wish I was the one who told you about Sproule. He seems a favorite of my friends, but I've never read him. I'm more likely to turn you onto Boice or Piper.
BTW, is the Canadian Southern Baptist out of Winnipeg? That's about the southest you can go, right? lol
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God can be with someone but not in them. Until a person realises there need for Christ and comes to full repentance God can be with them but not in them.
A good example is when Jesus breathed on the apostles to receive the holy spirit.
Another example is with Abraham and Sarah. When God changed there name the Hebrew expression was breath. Such is the case of Adam God breath into him the breath of life.
A good example is when Jesus breathed on the apostles to receive the holy spirit.
Another example is with Abraham and Sarah. When God changed there name the Hebrew expression was breath. Such is the case of Adam God breath into him the breath of life.
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Honestly, I don't see the difference between dictionary definition and what Christians say. It's the same thing to me. We were dead in sin, and then got regenerated by Christ.
And the saving faith is part of what God gives us at our rebirthday party. No purpose in having the party without the rebirth.
And the saving faith is part of what God gives us at our rebirthday party. No purpose in having the party without the rebirth.
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Ummm, thank you?!
I kind of stopped reading what he wrote somewhere in the first paragraph, when I realized it was a what-for, instead of a thought. So, I didn't read everything you wrote past getting you're defending me, for fear I'd figure out what he wrote, and then get all defensive anyway.
But thank you for the defense.
I kind of stopped reading what he wrote somewhere in the first paragraph, when I realized it was a what-for, instead of a thought. So, I didn't read everything you wrote past getting you're defending me, for fear I'd figure out what he wrote, and then get all defensive anyway.
But thank you for the defense.
It can't John 3:3 "“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” If you can't see the kingdom, how would know to have faith to be regenerated? You wouldn't.
John 6:63, 65 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life....65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
The flesh is no help at all, your flesh or you would be the one with faith and it would not help, why? Because the Spirit gives life, when the Father grants that you come to Jesus.
John 6:63, 65 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life....65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
The flesh is no help at all, your flesh or you would be the one with faith and it would not help, why? Because the Spirit gives life, when the Father grants that you come to Jesus.
Yes, baptism sums up what Baptists are about! LOL
Canadian Southern Baptists have their office near Calgary Alberta. Sort of central to the west. They do not have much of a presence in Ontario or the Maritimes (as for Quebec, Christians don't have much of a presence there, at all, including the RCC!).
I have also been in the North American Baptist convention for a while, and I am now in the Baptists of Western Canada. Which is kind of a moving to more unfundamentalist doctrines. Although, our church does believe the bible. Except not sure about the pastor anymore. In fact, very, very concerned, but not feeling God is wanting me to act on it, at this time. Our brand new pastor! Sigh!
Hmm! I was so sure it was you that told me about that book. I wonder who it was? Anyone who remembers, feel free to pm me if you don't want to post publicly. Maybe it was Notmyown?
I have about 15 books by Piper. One of his books, Desiring God was a textbook for our Worship class. So, I have read and benefited a lot by what he has written, although I don't agree with his position on women in ministry. But then, most Reformed people won't agree with my position on that!
I'm confused, I confess with what you mean about Winnipeg being southeast. It is the most easterly part of the prairies, and no farther south than I am in BC. Ontario is further south, and New Brunswick, PEI, Nova Scotia and NL are the farthest east, (NL being the most east!) and they are also south. I'm a western separatist, though, I have been since Pierre Trudeau did some nasty things to the west in the 1970's and 1980s. And now his son? Double the separatist!
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Somewhere around 9 PM on April 4, 1972 I was watching Jesus Christ Superstar in the UVA indoor stadium, (and just found out that building is no longer around), and thought, "God, I'd like to know you are as real as that guy on the stage."
That wasn't the moment I had saving faith. That was the moment after God saved me. That was his effectual calling working its way through my brain. I marveled at the rock opera. My ride home was fraught with peril.
I was living with my aunt, uncle, and cousins, my aunt was driving us home, and on the way home both of her sons decided that was the moment to tell her something. One ate a chocolate bar someone offered to him earlier, and didn't notice the word's "Ex-Lax" on it. (Ex-Lax is a laxative. You're supposed to have one small piece, not the entire bar. lol) The other one topped it off with, "I was expelled from school today." (Not suspended. Expelled.) So, thinking about what happened at the show was the last thing on my mind the rest of the night. I was more afraid my aunt was going to drive into a ditch while she was screaming at her sons in the back seat.
Next morning, I was so utterly excited. God was as real as the guy on the stage. Realer, since the guy on the stage was just an actor. Had to go to school anyway, so told my best friend on the bus. Ends up she already had that experience a week earlier, so she knew about a before-school Bible study. We went. The teacher/missionary/evangelist taught me what to do next. (Repent of everything I ever did wrong -- and I was already Catholic, so I could go down the list in proper order. lol And then pray the sinner's prayer.)
By the time I did all that I had been regenerated for about 10 hours! God found me. I didn't find him. He was never lost.
Absolutely nothing about salvation is initiated by us. The best we can do is go along with God during sanctification. Even if we don't, and then there is Jonah.
If God saves us, we are the seeds in good deep soil. He is the soil, the water, the wind protector, the one who stops stuff from falling on top of us so hard it breaks us, and the growerer in this relationship. All we do is "Yay, God! Glory to you! Brilliant! Whoa! Will you look at that? You go, God." After all, it's where the plant is planted, not what the plant does to become "plant."
That wasn't the moment I had saving faith. That was the moment after God saved me. That was his effectual calling working its way through my brain. I marveled at the rock opera. My ride home was fraught with peril.
I was living with my aunt, uncle, and cousins, my aunt was driving us home, and on the way home both of her sons decided that was the moment to tell her something. One ate a chocolate bar someone offered to him earlier, and didn't notice the word's "Ex-Lax" on it. (Ex-Lax is a laxative. You're supposed to have one small piece, not the entire bar. lol) The other one topped it off with, "I was expelled from school today." (Not suspended. Expelled.) So, thinking about what happened at the show was the last thing on my mind the rest of the night. I was more afraid my aunt was going to drive into a ditch while she was screaming at her sons in the back seat.
Next morning, I was so utterly excited. God was as real as the guy on the stage. Realer, since the guy on the stage was just an actor. Had to go to school anyway, so told my best friend on the bus. Ends up she already had that experience a week earlier, so she knew about a before-school Bible study. We went. The teacher/missionary/evangelist taught me what to do next. (Repent of everything I ever did wrong -- and I was already Catholic, so I could go down the list in proper order. lol And then pray the sinner's prayer.)
By the time I did all that I had been regenerated for about 10 hours! God found me. I didn't find him. He was never lost.
Absolutely nothing about salvation is initiated by us. The best we can do is go along with God during sanctification. Even if we don't, and then there is Jonah.
If God saves us, we are the seeds in good deep soil. He is the soil, the water, the wind protector, the one who stops stuff from falling on top of us so hard it breaks us, and the growerer in this relationship. All we do is "Yay, God! Glory to you! Brilliant! Whoa! Will you look at that? You go, God." After all, it's where the plant is planted, not what the plant does to become "plant."
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I don't agree but it seems to be the reformed position. Could you provide some Bible verses I could study and pray about?
I am pretty sure the Baptist church I attended years ago was Free will Baptist. Not sure if i have ever attended a Reformed church.
I wonder if anyone I know in real life hold to TULIP?
I am pretty sure the Baptist church I attended years ago was Free will Baptist. Not sure if i have ever attended a Reformed church.
I wonder if anyone I know in real life hold to TULIP?