What works must i do to know that my soul will carry on recieving salvation....

[jaybird88]

Yes.. Why?

Because as I said the lost will not do those things.

what of the ones that teach against those things?

As jesus said, they are condemned because they did not believe (john 3) they did not obey, because of unbelief. But they are condemned because they did not believe, not because they did not do those deeds.

No one is teaching against works, We are attacking dead works.. which will never save anyone.

Again Lord Lord.. Those people did works, mighty works it appears if they did cast out demons..

But jesus said he NEVER KNEW THEM, they were dead works..

will you give me an example of a dead work please.

 

[JIMBO43]

True, But that is not salvation, That is God rewarding his CHILDREN who are already saved in this life, they will also recieve reward in heaven.

We are nnot talking about that here though, We are talking about works for salvation correct?

38Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down,


This implies to anyone... coz not all people who read the bible believe.... athiests read the bible to look for faults...

 

[valiant]

The answer to the question is NONE. We are saved by grace, through faith, without works. To him that works NOT, but believes on Him Who justifies the ungodly, his faith is COUNTED as righteousness.

 

[jaybird88]

excellent responce brother... and this is a clear warning for those who dont perform Good works...

thanks Jimbo. Yeshua taught a great deal on works so they are obviously a key factor for those that chose to follow Him.

 

[blue_ladybug]

He believes that he needs to be saved daily, or he'll lose salvation. For whatever reason, he refuses to believe that works do NOT save us nor keep us our salvation.. He refers to being saved daily as his "daily cookie". Salvation IS not a dessert.. LOL

Did we just get our answer? or is he just fibbing?

or am I even more confused about what he believes..

 

[garee]

I think if its coz God chooses us... then you mujst believe in predestionation am i right...?

Hi thanks for the reply and opportunity to express my opinion/. Sorry for the length

I believe as many (not one more or less) that the Father has given the Son will come and those who do come he will in no wise cast out. Those whose names are written in the Lambs book of life, from the foundation of the world will come.

I cant see this coz for me it has to come from the sinner...no because the Jew where chosen does not mean we all are..

Jews are the same kind of sinners as Gentiles.

God who is no respecter of person’s (Act 10:34) puts no difference between a Jew and a Gentile purifying both hearts and gives a new spirit that will never die, by a work of His faith labor of His love, (Act 15:9)

Names to include the new name, Christian chosen by God hold a particular significance in the Bible. Those words would be an integral part aiding in the rightly dividing the word of God as a way of following the commandment… to study in order to seek His approval.

I have been looking and I believe as of today he speaks of that new name He named us in Acts, Christian, beforehand in Isaiah. The description seems to fit perfectly and came about because of the first century reformation, when the veil was rent, signaling the end of Old Testament government. The beginning of the end times, Christ had come, the shadows and types disappeared.

For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. . Isa 62:1

Christian is the promised new named God decided to name His bride the church. Before that he called those born again in respect to the inward spirit and not of the flesh outward, Jews or Israel.( Rom 2:29) a distinction must be made if we are to rightly divide His truth . He also informs us, I believe in another way all Israel is not Israel (Rom 9:6) again a division between that seen (the flesh) and that not seen, the new born again spirit .must be distinguished.

I believe the Holy Spirit has given us a prescription to help us to rightly divide His words of truth so that we might walk by the faith of Christ, that comes from hearing God and not our own thoughts coming from the imaginations of our own hearts

Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are “temporal”; but the things which are not seen are “eternal”.

But also it would still be a works to believe the voice..when your chosen if you are chosen.

I would agree believing is a work that God performs working in us.. It is the work of God that we believe Him( Joh 6:29).And those who believe not (no faith) natural man they do not make the faith of God without effect (Rom 3:3) the effect of the work of His faith that he freely gives to us as our new faith, .again is not of our own selves,. but is imputed to us by His grace

1Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

This is the end of our new faith that again comes from hearing God, as Christ in us, the living hope of His glory

He does the work of calling, drawing, in the end of the matter .it is the work of Christ in God that we can believe, Him and not that of our own selves coming from the imaginations of our own hearts as in natural man with out the Spirit of Chrsit..

Yes it would be a work as the voice of faith in respect to the faith of Christ calling “come to me those who are weary I will give you rest

Today if we would hear his voice and not harden our hearts…. we resting in his Sabbath created for man .

Salvation is a work; we are saved by works but not of our own self (the imaginations of ones own heart). But rather by the work of Christ’s faith as a labor of his love.

Those who believe not do not make the work of the faith of God without effect (work) (Rom 3:3)

 

[JIMBO43]

He believes that he needs to be saved daily, or he'll lose salvation. For whatever reason, he refuses to believe that works do NOT save us nor keep us our salvation.. He refers to being saved daily as his "daily cookie". Salvation IS not a dessert.. LOL

philli 2:12 continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling...(dont stop now.

colosians 2:6
6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.… continue each day to live in him..

1 Peter 1:9New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls. you are recieved and not complete.. until the lady sings.. daily cookie to me and whats wrong with that being a daily cookie to me...

Since im told to ask for my daily bread...

Anyays why try to make me look insane or silly when you quote simalar something about something you like being salvation..


Why is it that is it that you and others in your group claim that its us works bunch that preach you can lose salvation... when actually its use faith alone guys who say you can lose your sallvation for denying God.. ???????????????


Idf this was true my guess is we would all be in hell coz im sure wheve all denyed him from time to time..

 

[JIMBO43]

[video=youtube;ZdYj89Mx6ik]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdYj89Mx6ik[/video]

 

[JIMBO43]

Hi thanks for the reply and opportunity to express my opinion/. Sorry for the length

I believe as many (not one more or less) that the Father has given the Son will come and those who do come he will in no wise cast out. Those whose names are written in the Lambs book of life, from the foundation of the world will come.



Jews are the same kind of sinners as Gentiles.

God who is no respecter of person’s (Act 10:34) puts no difference between a Jew and a Gentile purifying both hearts and gives a new spirit that will never die, by a work of His faith labor of His love, (Act 15:9)

Names to include the new name, Christian chosen by God hold a particular significance in the Bible. Those words would be an integral part aiding in the rightly dividing the word of God as a way of following the commandment… to study in order to seek His approval.

I have been looking and I believe as of today he speaks of that new name He named us in Acts, Christian, beforehand in Isaiah. The description seems to fit perfectly and came about because of the first century reformation, when the veil was rent, signaling the end of Old Testament government. The beginning of the end times, Christ had come, the shadows and types disappeared.

For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. . Isa 62:1

Christian is the promised new named God decided to name His bride the church. Before that he called those born again in respect to the inward spirit and not of the flesh outward, Jews or Israel.( Rom 2:29) a distinction must be made if we are to rightly divide His truth . He also informs us, I believe in another way all Israel is not Israel (Rom 9:6) again a division between that seen (the flesh) and that not seen, the new born again spirit .must be distinguished.

I believe the Holy Spirit has given us a prescription to help us to rightly divide His words of truth so that we might walk by the faith of Christ, that comes from hearing God and not our own thoughts coming from the imaginations of our own hearts

Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are “temporal”; but the things which are not seen are “eternal”.



I would agree believing is a work that God performs working in us.. It is the work of God that we believe Him( Joh 6:29).And those who believe not (no faith) natural man they do not make the faith of God without effect (Rom 3:3) the effect of the work of His faith that he freely gives to us as our new faith, .again is not of our own selves,. but is imputed to us by His grace

1Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

This is the end of our new faith that again comes from hearing God, as Christ in us, the living hope of His glory

He does the work of calling, drawing, in the end of the matter .it is the work of Christ in God that we can believe, Him and not that of our own selves coming from the imaginations of our own hearts as in natural man with out the Spirit of Chrsit..

Yes it would be a work as the voice of faith in respect to the faith of Christ calling “come to me those who are weary I will give you rest

Today if we would hear his voice and not harden our hearts…. we resting in his Sabbath created for man .

Salvation is a work; we are saved by works but not of our own self (the imaginations of ones own heart). But rather by the work of Christ’s faith as a labor of his love.

Those who believe not do not make the work of the faith of God without effect (work) (Rom 3:3)

ive allways wondered that maybe in alot of cases the holy spirit never leaves you But you leave the holy spirit..

 

[JIMBO43]

soo ill refrase the op question a little here and ask again what works must i do to obtain salvation....


Is it theese works ?...................

John 6:28
28Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?”
29Jesus replied, “This is the work of God: to believe in the One He has sent.”…


So obviously to believes is the works we must do to inherit his kingdom...

 

[valiant]

soo ill refrase the op question a little here and ask again what works must i do to obtain salvation....


Is it theese works ?...................

John 6:28
28Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?”
29Jesus replied, “This is the work of God: to believe in the One He has sent.”…


So obviously to believes is the works we must do to inherit his kingdom...

They thought of 'works' which they did themselves and tried to turn them into works of God. He thought of BELIEF which is the work of God wrought them.

It was His work, not theirs.

 

[JIMBO43]

They thought of 'works' which they did themselves and tried to turn them into works of God. He thought of BELIEF which is the work of God wrought them.

It was His work, not theirs.

naa dont see it seeing as jesus asked them to believe in him...this an instruction to me...

 

[JIMBO43]

while works may be EVIDENCE of, they are not the of

we cannot work to be saved, we cannot work to stay saved and whatcha gonna build to fly up to heaven?

can you bring yourself up to heaven?

if you answered no, then understand you cannot save or stay saved with your works either

it seems to me to be a far more impossible thing to think I shall live after death on this earth, then it is to think God sustains me while I am alive on this earth and His Spirit directs me as the 'works' which, if not of God, are just the flesh doing its thing anyway

I honestly cannot understand why some people think they have ANYTHING to do with their salvation since Jesus said it was finished

they get it all mixed up with the law, obedience, love and whatever and it never makes any sense

the simple understanding is still the right one

ive never said that doing Good works will actually obtain you salvation in a sence.... what i have said is good works is a sure sign your soul is recieving salvation...


Onceagain i do not preach you can lose your salvation... never ever...... apart from herting one of his little ones.......

 

[JIMBO43]

I guess the question always comes down to, what does free will mean in the creation of humanity. We know just hearing Gods word doesn't 100% make people have faith.

So we must ask ourselves is the free will choice to surrender to God a work or Gods controlling the choice in some way, or the surrender is a action apon acknowledgment of how utterly hopeless we are without Christ, is that a good work or another name?

If its number two then we will be heading down the unconditional election path.

i think it is a choice coz... otherwise we would not stand up for our faith..

 

[seed_time_harvest]

will you give me an example of a dead work please.

If you feed the hungry but you are not saved,you did a good work,but that good work will not earn rewards If you are not saved.
Although Its a good work,Its dead towards salvation.

 

[JIMBO43]

The Bible states that we have been saved (aorist) once for all from the guilt and penalty of sin when we initially respond to His gracious working. We are thus now saved (perfect tense) and thus our final salvation is guaranteed,. God does not half save us.

We are as a result being saved (present tense) from the power and pollution of sin as a process.

We can thus look forward to the certainty of our final deliverance from ALL sin as a consequence.

In other words God Almighty pulls us out of the 'water' of sin, proceeds thereafter to cleanse us, and then presents us perfect before Him. He never lets us fall back into the water.

Our 'hope' of salvation is a CERTAIN hope, guaranteed to us when we were first 'saved'..




No it is a confident certainty. It does not CONTRIBUTE to our salvation

your final salvation is guarenteed only if ye keep the faith until the end..

 

[JIMBO43]

Just like to keep his statutes... and commandments.. If you can.... i hear a brother say no such thing as if...and of course keeping the work is a works on your part.. hmm hmmm

 

[Roughsoul1991]

But He has to give life before a man believes. And it is only once they have received His life that they will fully respond Those who have the Son have life. Those who do not have the Son do not have life. The former are the ones given to Him by His Father. The remainder are still dead.

Read the next verse and you will find out how people are given to him by the father.

 

[valiant]

thanks Jimbo. Yeshua taught a great deal on works so they are obviously a key factor for those that chose to follow Him.

They are a key factor for all, but not in order to obtain salvation which is a gift. They result from having been saved.

 

[JIMBO43]

Read the next verse and you will find out how people are given to him by the father.

so one must say that faith comes from hearing...