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I hear, see and also know they exist and who they are at work, my neighborhood, and at a Church when I get desperate enough to search for a true one, only to learn that they are in leadership there as well. The nephilim are those who are joined to secret societies such as the Illuminati, Freemasons, and Rosicrucian, etc. It does take a trained eye however to recognize them. I have only been able for about 9 months. I flushed them out by writing online about the evils of these secret societies who have spread all the false doctrines in the Church. Many of the non believing blogs are by wolves in the Church who are agents of disinformation. But you are right, who will believe?
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[h=1]Genesis 6:4Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h] [SUP]4 [/SUP]The N’filim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; these were the ancient heroes, men of renown.
[h=1]Bereshis 6:4Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)[/h] [SUP]4 [/SUP]HaNefilim were on ha’aretz in those yamim; and also after that, when the bnei HaElohim came in unto the banot HaAdam, and they bore children to them, the same became gibborim which were of old, men of renown.
There are many versions of the bible that use the word Nephilm...But be very careful my friend...The bible does not use the word 'gravity' either. If you're not careful....
[h=1]Bereshis 6:4Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)[/h] [SUP]4 [/SUP]HaNefilim were on ha’aretz in those yamim; and also after that, when the bnei HaElohim came in unto the banot HaAdam, and they bore children to them, the same became gibborim which were of old, men of renown.
There are many versions of the bible that use the word Nephilm...But be very careful my friend...The bible does not use the word 'gravity' either. If you're not careful....
Wrong on two points you assume the sons of God are fallen angels and the nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward, what days? when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Who are those children? These were the mighty men of old, men of renown. not the nephilim, they were already on the earth, when the sons of God made children with their wives.
If you can't exegete Genesis 6:4 you'll never know who the sons of God are, you'll always have an opinion but you'll never know the truth. Because you need to contextually exegete Genesis 4:11-5:32 to see who the daughters are being born to, which in turn will tell you who the sons of God are in Genesis 6:2, 4, in the context of Genesis 4:11-6:1, 3, 5-7. If you can't follow the context of these Scripture and understand who the sons of God are, you'll struggle with all of the Bibles contextual meanings, immediate and overall.
If you can't exegete Genesis 6:4 you'll never know who the sons of God are, you'll always have an opinion but you'll never know the truth. Because you need to contextually exegete Genesis 4:11-5:32 to see who the daughters are being born to, which in turn will tell you who the sons of God are in Genesis 6:2, 4, in the context of Genesis 4:11-6:1, 3, 5-7. If you can't follow the context of these Scripture and understand who the sons of God are, you'll struggle with all of the Bibles contextual meanings, immediate and overall.
Wrong on two points you assume the sons of God are fallen angels and the nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward, what days? when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Who are those children? These were the mighty men of old, men of renown. not the nephilim, they were already on the earth, when the sons of God made children with their wives.
Now I just know that you are not writing your own bible, but you too need one that does not have Winnie the Pooh on it. Try a real bible. Any good version Then read Genesis 6:4
[h=1]Genesis 6:4 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]4 [/SUP]The N’filim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; these were the ancient heroes, men of renown.
If you can't exegete Genesis 6:4 you'll never know who the sons of God are, you'll always have an opinion but you'll never know the truth. Because you need to contextually exegete Genesis 4:11-5:32 to see who the daughters are being born to, which in turn will tell you who the sons of God are in Genesis 6:2, 4, in the context of Genesis 4:11-6:1, 3, 5-7. If you can't follow the context of these Scripture and understand who the sons of God are, you'll struggle with all of the Bibles contextual meanings, immediate and overall.
My bible is written in English, and Hebres, I speak English, and am somewhat ...with Hebrew....I see where is says that the nephilim are also called the mighty men of old.
Now, If I could interpret your blat....I would really be a wonder boy.
Now I just know that you are not writing your own bible, but you too need one that does not have Winnie the Pooh on it. Try a real bible. Any good version Then read Genesis 6:4
[h=1]Genesis 6:4 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]4 [/SUP]The N’filim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; these were the ancient heroes, men of renown.
If you can't exegete Genesis 6:4 you'll never know who the sons of God are, you'll always have an opinion but you'll never know the truth. Because you need to contextually exegete Genesis 4:11-5:32 to see who the daughters are being born to, which in turn will tell you who the sons of God are in Genesis 6:2, 4, in the context of Genesis 4:11-6:1, 3, 5-7. If you can't follow the context of these Scripture and understand who the sons of God are, you'll struggle with all of the Bibles contextual meanings, immediate and overall.
My bible is written in English, and Hebres, I speak English, and am somewhat ...with Hebrew....I see where is says that the nephilim are also called the mighty men of old.
Now, If I could interpret your blat....I would really be a wonder boy.
Take the contextual exegete challenge in post #352 and prove your point, but you won't because IT CAN NOT BE DONE without twisting the Scriptural context or some one would of done it two weeks ago. There are people here that have put out all kinds of extra-biblical information, but will not do an contextual exegete of the Scripture in question in post #352 and you will not either you'll just come up with extra-Biblical rabbit trails or outside to the context rabbit trails.
So prove your point by doing a contextual exegete of Genesis 4:11-6:1 to show how that comes out to be fallen angels in Genesis 6:2, 4. But thank you for proving my point again.
So prove your point by doing a contextual exegete of Genesis 4:11-6:1 to show how that comes out to be fallen angels in Genesis 6:2, 4. But thank you for proving my point again.
low the context you could interpret itYou think Genesis 6:4 proves you point, if you could simply follow the context you could interpret it you could understand the full context of genesis 4;11-6:1, 3, 5-7. Here's the ESV "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward (what days and after?), when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them(who were these children?). These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown."
The nephilim were already on the earth, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and those children were, mighty men of old, men of renown. The nephilim were not the children of the marriage, they were already on the earth. Below is a contextual exegete of Genesis 4:11-6:8, can you take Genesis 4:11-24 explain who they are, the Genesis 4:25-5:32 explain who they are, then explain what is happening in Genesis 6:1 by the context of Genesis 4:11-5:32. The show how out of the context of Genesis 4:11-6:1 how the sons of God are fallen angels in Genesis 6:2 & 4. Then show why the Lord pronounced judgement on man in Genesis 6:3, 5-7, with the context of Genesis 4:11-6:2, 4? The same way I did it below. Please do not quote my post and chop it up with answers it's to hard to read like that for me, to many distraction.
You can read my contextual exegete of the Scriptures in question in the post below.
The nephilim were already on the earth, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and those children were, mighty men of old, men of renown. The nephilim were not the children of the marriage, they were already on the earth. Below is a contextual exegete of Genesis 4:11-6:8, can you take Genesis 4:11-24 explain who they are, the Genesis 4:25-5:32 explain who they are, then explain what is happening in Genesis 6:1 by the context of Genesis 4:11-5:32. The show how out of the context of Genesis 4:11-6:1 how the sons of God are fallen angels in Genesis 6:2 & 4. Then show why the Lord pronounced judgement on man in Genesis 6:3, 5-7, with the context of Genesis 4:11-6:2, 4? The same way I did it below. Please do not quote my post and chop it up with answers it's to hard to read like that for me, to many distraction.
You can read my contextual exegete of the Scriptures in question in the post below.
Contextual exegete of Genesis 4:11-6:8
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Adam, the son of God, with Abel to carry out that line. Since Cain killed Able, "And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth,“For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed.” Genesis 4:25 in verses 26 "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the Lord." Seth, "Put; who puts; fixed" (Hitchcock's Bible names - Bible Dictionary) Eve name Seth-fixed, what Cain destroyed, for her Seed to be carried on, was fixed in Seth. Did Seth that brought back the line to carry her Seed, named his son Enosh-mortal, because with him Adam's line would continue, as in 5:3. Seth was born after the likeness of his image. Adam's line the son of God, Luke 3:23-38. No mention of Cain, why? Because Cain we will see, goes out from the presences of the Lord wandering as a fugitive, Genesis 4:12, 16.
Cain and his genealogy, Genesis 4:11-4:24. Notice in Genesis 4:12 He says he will be a fugitive and a wanderer 16, it tells us that Cain went out for the presents of the Lord, he built a city called Nod meaning wandering, after he knew his wife, verse 17.
What does that mean, because we know that the Lord is everywhere, because we know the the Lord is omnipresent. Does this simply mean that Cain and his genealogy were wardering outside the presence of the Lord, is them not following or being present with the Lord, as we'll see that Adam's line began to call on the name of the Lord in 4:26. Out of all the genealogy of Cain, there is only one daughter mentioned Naamah, verse 22, she was Tubal-Cain’s sister. Murder runs in Cain’s genealogy, verse 23 Lamech tells his wives, that he killed a young man for hurting him. Cain and his genealogy were wandering outside the presence of the Lord.
Adam and his genealogy, Genesis 4:25-5:32. This genealogy of Adam had sons and daughters, verse 4. Seth had son and daughters, verse 7. Enosh had sons and daughters, verse 10. Cainan had sons and daughters, verse 13. Mahalalel had sons and daughters, verse 16. Jared had sons and daughters, verse 19. Enoch had sons and daughters, verse 22. Methuselah had sons and daughters verse 26. Lamech had sons and daughters, verse 30. Remember the mention of one sister/daughter for Cain's genealogy. This is the genealogy of Adam the son of God.
Genesis 6:1 “Now it came to pass, when men (line of Cain) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them(the line of Cain),”
This is the multiplication of Cain’s genealogy, because 4:25-5:32 was the multiplication of the genealogy of Adam with 8 verses detailing that the sons of Adam the son of God, had sons and daughters. Genesis 6:1 picks up where Genesis 4:16-24 left off, with Cain’s genealogy having sons and daughters or multiplying on the face of the earth. In Genesis 4:14 He says he will be a fugitive and a wanderer 16, it tells us that Cain went out for the presents of the Lord, verse 26 Adam's genealogy, at that time people began to call on the name of the Lord. Is this a sign that Adam's genealogy began to be in that covenant that Adam had with the Lord? It sounds like it, when you compare Cain's line, wandering outside the presence of the Lord and a member killing as did the fugitive Cain.
Here's my contextual exegetical conclusion of the stories of those two genealogies, being told in Genesis 4:11-6:1.
Genesis 6:2 “that the sons of God (line of Adam) saw the daughters of men(line of Cain), that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose”
Genesis 6:3, 5-8 “Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.….5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord."
With the context of Genesis 4:11-24 about Cain and his the genealogy, men, his lines women, daughters of men Genesis 6:1, after the mention of one daughter/sister in Genesis 4:22 her name Naaman. Genesis 4:25-5:32 the line of Adam the son of God, his line (of men) sons of God, that had both sons and daughters. With the two lines marrying in Genesis 6:2, the multiplication of Cain genealogy Genesis 6:1, the results of those unions Genesis 6:4 the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. The Lord's reaction to the wickedness of man, Genesis 6:3, 5-7, the Lord is not judging because the daughters of men and the sons of God married and had children, the Lord is judging because meant was wicked in his heart continually and for no other reason. With one man finding grace with the Lord, Noah, Genesis 6:8, part of the line from Adam to Jesus, Luke 3:36.
Genesis 6:4 “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward (what days?), when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children (who were they?) to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
The mighty men of old, the men of renown, were the children, not the Niphilim, they were already on the earth, in those days.
How did angels get into that context, if the sons of God are not the line of Adam and Cain's women are not the daughters of men in the immediate context of Genesis 4:9-5:32 and Genesis 6:3, 5-8?
It doesn't fit, nor the overall context, with "her Seed" being the coming Messiah and Adam's genealogy goes to Jesus with Noah in that line.
Fallen angels do not fit the context, you have to read into the story, go out of context, pull verse out of context and go outside of the Bible, to try and make a case that the "sons of God" as being fallen angels and to say they are not fallen, is even harder to prove. Because once they leave their first estate, they were cast into tartarus and are reserved in eternal chains of darkness until judgement, that does sound like an angel that is in good standing with God, to be called His son.
Again the challenge is to show from Genesis 4:9-5:32 how this is not the genealogies of Adam and Cain. With 6:1 not being Cain’s genealogy multiplying on the face of the earth or sons and daughters being born to them. Since Genesis 5:4, 7, 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 26 and 30, show daughters being born to Adams genealogy. Genesis 6:3, 5-8 being about man, how fallen angels fit into Genesis 6:2, 4?
This is a contextual exegete of Genesis 4:11-6:1, 3, 5-7, 8, follow this line of contextual exegete, to prove that Genesis 6:2, 4 are fallen angels.
Denadii, please stop pulling years-old zombie threads forward. They clog up the forums and push the newer threads to the back pages. Per request of a mod that I have seen post on this subject, people need to look at the create dates first, and whether who they're responding to, is still here or has left or been banned.
