Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!
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One could possibly say that those demons casted out and those sicknesses that Jesus healed are all "metaphorical" of something else.
Jesus even said that healing is the "children's bread" when the Gentile woman came for healing for her child. She still accessed the healing that is in Christ by exhibiting great faith.
Jesus said that He had not seen such faith in all of Israel in this woman. Same goes for the Gentile Roman Centurion officer that said to speak the word only and my servant will be healed. These two Gentiles exhibited great faith in Jesus and none of the Jews had this kind of faith.
How do we get true biblical faith? By hearing of Christ Himself. Romans 10:17
We see a picture of this in the healing of the woman with the issue of blood. When she heard of Jesus....
Mark 5:27-28 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
I believe the Jews had little to no faith because they were constantly taught the Law of Moses. Paul said the Law is NOT of faith. The number one barrier to faith can sometimes be the type of church we go to and the messages we hear.
Jesus even said that healing is the "children's bread" when the Gentile woman came for healing for her child. She still accessed the healing that is in Christ by exhibiting great faith.
Jesus said that He had not seen such faith in all of Israel in this woman. Same goes for the Gentile Roman Centurion officer that said to speak the word only and my servant will be healed. These two Gentiles exhibited great faith in Jesus and none of the Jews had this kind of faith.
How do we get true biblical faith? By hearing of Christ Himself. Romans 10:17
We see a picture of this in the healing of the woman with the issue of blood. When she heard of Jesus....
Mark 5:27-28 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
I believe the Jews had little to no faith because they were constantly taught the Law of Moses. Paul said the Law is NOT of faith. The number one barrier to faith can sometimes be the type of church we go to and the messages we hear.
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Notice they praised Jesus in the beginning and then after Jesus told them not everyone gets healed,they were filled with wrath.
Many word of Faith people are the same way,when Jesus tells them He isn't going to heal their physical afflictions because he would rather heal their spiritual sickness and mend their relationship with God.
Luke 4
. 21And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.” 22And all spoke well of him and marveled at the gracious words that were coming from his mouth. And they said, “Is not this Joseph’s son?” 23And he said to them, “Doubtless you will quote to me this proverb, ‘“Physician, heal yourself.” What we have heard you did at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well.’” 24And he said, “Truly, I say to you, no prophet is acceptable in his hometown. 25But in truth, I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heavens were shut up three years and six months, and a great famine came over all the land, 26and Elijah was sent to none of them but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. 27And there were many lepersa in Israel in the time of the prophet Elisha, and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian.” 28When they heard these things, all in the synagogue were filled with wrath.
Many word of Faith people are the same way,when Jesus tells them He isn't going to heal their physical afflictions because he would rather heal their spiritual sickness and mend their relationship with God.
Luke 4
. 21And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.” 22And all spoke well of him and marveled at the gracious words that were coming from his mouth. And they said, “Is not this Joseph’s son?” 23And he said to them, “Doubtless you will quote to me this proverb, ‘“Physician, heal yourself.” What we have heard you did at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well.’” 24And he said, “Truly, I say to you, no prophet is acceptable in his hometown. 25But in truth, I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heavens were shut up three years and six months, and a great famine came over all the land, 26and Elijah was sent to none of them but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. 27And there were many lepersa in Israel in the time of the prophet Elisha, and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian.” 28When they heard these things, all in the synagogue were filled with wrath.
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I believe that God can and does heal, the physically ill, the mentally ill, no ailment is not beyond His power to heal, my problem is when people ascribe these three requirements to Gods healing power.
1. If you name it and claim it in faith it WILL be yours.
2. The power of YOUR words and the word of God (in agreement) combined with faith will heal you (or bring you wealth)
3. If you give you will get (God is Quid Pro Quo)then you can walk in the blessings (usually a new house or a new car or something) of an abundant life.
When you have a mind that the words of the author have more power than the author Himself there is trouble to be had. Failure to be had. Because that belief will fail for most. Most people don't get healed, most people do not become wealthy, whereas God the author does not fail.
God has ALL of the power. Our words do not.
My abundance comes from what I have been given.
Life and life abundantly because I already have been given EVERYTHING. My physical or financial circumstances bear NOTHING to witness to that.
The outward fleshly appearance of my human form do not change one iota of the riches of heaven that I inherited when I was saved.
Everything I need for life and godliness was given to me at that moment.
Now I will be back on my silly way!
1. If you name it and claim it in faith it WILL be yours.
2. The power of YOUR words and the word of God (in agreement) combined with faith will heal you (or bring you wealth)
3. If you give you will get (God is Quid Pro Quo)then you can walk in the blessings (usually a new house or a new car or something) of an abundant life.
When you have a mind that the words of the author have more power than the author Himself there is trouble to be had. Failure to be had. Because that belief will fail for most. Most people don't get healed, most people do not become wealthy, whereas God the author does not fail.
God has ALL of the power. Our words do not.
My abundance comes from what I have been given.
Life and life abundantly because I already have been given EVERYTHING. My physical or financial circumstances bear NOTHING to witness to that.
The outward fleshly appearance of my human form do not change one iota of the riches of heaven that I inherited when I was saved.
Everything I need for life and godliness was given to me at that moment.
Now I will be back on my silly way!
That's not what that is saying . The Jews were mad because Jesus was saying the gentiles were getting things before they were. All these people were Gentiles and not pure Jews that Jesus mentioned.
Jesus is speaking about their "unbelief" here.
Remember that Paul says the gentiles provoke the Jews to wrath and envy.
Jesus is speaking about their "unbelief" here.
Remember that Paul says the gentiles provoke the Jews to wrath and envy.
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What weakness did Paul suffer from and why did God allow it?
2 Corinthians 12
7So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations,a a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
2 Corinthians 12
7So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations,a a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
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No it's talking about God's election to only heal certain people and not the whole countryside. God is not obligated to heal everyone...
Jesus only healed one man at the pool and there were many sitting there.
Jesus did not heal everyone He came in contact with. Only those whom God sent Him to heal for His purpose.
Jesus only healed one man at the pool and there were many sitting there.
Jesus did not heal everyone He came in contact with. Only those whom God sent Him to heal for His purpose.
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Why did he heal only one man?
John 5
Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, in Aramaica called Bethesda,b which has five roofed colonnades. 3In these lay a multitude of invalids—blind, lame, and paralyzed.c 5One man was there who had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. 6When Jesus saw him lying there and knew that he had already been there a long time, he said to him, “Do you want to be healed?” 7The sick man answered him, “Sir, I have no one to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, and while I am going another steps down before me.” 8Jesus said to him, “Get up, take up your bed, and walk.” 9And at once the man was healed, and he took up his bed and walked.
John 5
Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, in Aramaica called Bethesda,b which has five roofed colonnades. 3In these lay a multitude of invalids—blind, lame, and paralyzed.c 5One man was there who had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. 6When Jesus saw him lying there and knew that he had already been there a long time, he said to him, “Do you want to be healed?” 7The sick man answered him, “Sir, I have no one to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, and while I am going another steps down before me.” 8Jesus said to him, “Get up, take up your bed, and walk.” 9And at once the man was healed, and he took up his bed and walked.
God doesn't give His children diseases because of the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ. We would people in jail if they did that to their children.
The words "infirmity" and "weakness" are the same Greek words. Notice that in the context, it is not sickness which is being referred to.
2 Corinthians 11:29–30 Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn with indignation? If I must boast, I will boast in the things which concern my infirmity.
Some significant points regarding this passage:
Paul's Thorn in the Flesh — North Forest
The words "infirmity" and "weakness" are the same Greek words. Notice that in the context, it is not sickness which is being referred to.
2 Corinthians 11:29–30 Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn with indignation? If I must boast, I will boast in the things which concern my infirmity.
Some significant points regarding this passage:
- The phrase messenger of Satan doesn't refer to a disease or trials. The word messenger always refers to a living being, either human or angelic. This messenger of Satan is likely the Judaizers who are the ones who stirred up the dissension among the Jews which resulted in Paul being stoned in Acts 14:19
- Paul's trial seems to be a consequence of his revelation. His revelation is what gave him the confidence and courage to preach the gospel even when facing extreme persecution.
- This passage doesn't say Paul got his infirmity as a consequence of his revelation. There are no examples in the Bible of a person who God gave a disease as a consequence of a special revelation except maybe Jacob. However there are plenty of examples of people who had to face persecution as a consequence of revelation God had given them.
- Paul uses the phrase exalted above measure twice. From the wording it sounds like Paul believes God gave him these trials and tribulations on purpose to help keep his mind fixed on him. I don't believe God does this, but Paul may have mistakenly believed it.
Here is the link to the article that talks more about this.
Paul's Thorn in the Flesh — North Forest
Ariel
He didn't heal those in his hometown because to them...He was just the carpenters son. It was unbelief that He could heal.
The promises are spoken to us by Holy Spirit when we are ill. Then we stand on what He said personally to us.
I only believe He withholds healing when we have finished the work we were born for here.
He didn't heal those in his hometown because to them...He was just the carpenters son. It was unbelief that He could heal.
The promises are spoken to us by Holy Spirit when we are ill. Then we stand on what He said personally to us.
I only believe He withholds healing when we have finished the work we were born for here.
[h=1] Psalm 103:1-5 (CJB)
[/h] 103
[SUP](1) [/SUP]Bless Adonai, my soul!
Everything in me, bless his holy name!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bless Adonai, my soul,
and forget none of his benefits!
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He forgives all your offenses,
he heals all your diseases,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]he redeems your life from the pit,
he surrounds you with grace and compassion,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]he contents you with good as long as you live,
so that your youth is renewed like an eagle’s.
[/h] 103
[SUP](1) [/SUP]Bless Adonai, my soul!
Everything in me, bless his holy name!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bless Adonai, my soul,
and forget none of his benefits!
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He forgives all your offenses,
he heals all your diseases,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]he redeems your life from the pit,
he surrounds you with grace and compassion,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]he contents you with good as long as you live,
so that your youth is renewed like an eagle’s.
Jesus Himself went up to that person at the pool - I asked you to show me where a person "came" to Jesus and Jesus refused to heal him or her for any reason. There is no such thing. NONE.
Here it says that Jesus healed them all. Matt. 4:24 , Matt. 8:16. Matt. 12:15, LK. 4:40, Lk. 6:17, Lk. 6:19
The woman with the issue of blood by faith " in hearing of Jesus" received healing from Jesus without Him even knowing she was accessing it from Him.
This is going to be a useless endeavor. You don't believe that Jesus wants to heal everyone and you are entitled to believe whatever you want. Have a good night.
Here it says that Jesus healed them all. Matt. 4:24 , Matt. 8:16. Matt. 12:15, LK. 4:40, Lk. 6:17, Lk. 6:19
The woman with the issue of blood by faith " in hearing of Jesus" received healing from Jesus without Him even knowing she was accessing it from Him.
This is going to be a useless endeavor. You don't believe that Jesus wants to heal everyone and you are entitled to believe whatever you want. Have a good night.