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So who are those that stand before the GWT and are cast into the lake of fire?

Jesus told of the rich man in Luke 16 where he is described as being in torments and unable to pass to Abraham to enjoy the comforts of paradise.

Rome teaches that all men except the absolute worst eventually go to heaven. They must atone for their sins in purgatory which is a false mythology.

Heaven is abiding in the place Jesus has prepared for us. A place where no sin can ever enter in and we fellowship with our Lord.

You have gotten none of your ideas from the bible. It seems to me that you have ingested way too much new age mysticism.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
We all spend time in the lake of fire when we sin.
 

Laish

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Yes, but I think by then we will all have repented.
Ok looking for clarity here. Are you speaking of Christians that need to repent of some sin in their lives here or everyone?
If it's ever one why the great commission? Seemed to be a fools errand if all have repented by the time they die .
Blessings
Bill
 
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Ok looking for clarity here. Are you speaking of Christians that need to repent of some sin in their lives here or everyone?
If it's ever one why the great commission? Seemed to be a fools errand if all have repented by the time they die .
Blessings
Bill
What do you mean by "the great commission"?
 
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Ok looking for clarity here. Are you speaking of Christians that need to repent of some sin in their lives here or everyone?
If it's ever one why the great commission? Seemed to be a fools errand if all have repented by the time they die .
Blessings
Bill
The Lord expects us to repent. Until we do, no heaven. I think the Lord wants people to know that.

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
 
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Ok looking for clarity here. Are you speaking of Christians that need to repent of some sin in their lives here or everyone?
If it's ever one why the great commission? Seemed to be a fools errand if all have repented by the time they die .
Blessings
Bill
What do you mean by "the great commission"?
The Lord expects us to repent. Until we do, no heaven. I think the Lord wants people to know that.

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
So to answer your question, I am talking about everyone. The purpose of the great commission is to let people know that heaven is waiting for us as soon as we repent of our sin:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
 

Laish

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I don’t think many people understand salvation, at least, not many younger people.

One group of people seems to think that people will burn in hell forever. If you believe this, then you must believe the Lord is incapable of, or unwilling to, discipline the people he creates into fulfilling that which is required to avoid such a fate.

Another group seems to think that if at some point you accept the Lord as your Savior, you live happily ever after, no matter what you do. If you believe this, I think you are in for a rude awakening.

I believe we are all bound for heaven. It will be a much, much easier ride for those who accept the Lord’s discipline.
Hello resurrection33
I know it's hard at times to reconcile God's love with God's justice. We should not place one over the other. Jesus told us
Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50 “The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Why the warning, if all will have repented by the time of their deaths ? Also note a majority of folks will die never knowing of a need or have a desire to repent due to our natural proclivity to sin . With all due respect your not making sense brother .
When we look at all of scripture.
Blessings
Bill
 
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...One group of people seems to think that people will burn in hell forever. If you believe this, then you must believe the Lord is incapable of, or unwilling to, discipline the people he creates...
If he is chastening you, sure (Heb 12:6). Could be he's let go of you and you're headed for hell (Heb 10:26).
...Another group seems to think that if at some point you accept the Lord as your Savior, you live happily ever after, no matter what you do...
The greasy gracer
(false convert).
...If you believe this, I think you are in for a rude awakening.
Yeppers.
I believe we are all bound for heaven.
You've got that backwards. All are headed for hell if they do not receive Jesus as their Savior. No one goes to hell for their sin. They go to hell for their failure to trust in God's provision for their sin.

It will be a much, much easier ride for those who accept the Lord’s discipline.
Are you a Calvinist?
If you are, read Haggai. Calvinists are indifferent and inactive--a waste of skin.
 

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Are you a Calvinist?
If you are, read Haggai. Calvinists are indifferent and inactive--a waste of skin.
I don't believe he is. What he has said so far is not Reformed. nothing near Reformed theology here .
Blessings
Bill
 

Laish

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Also why are Reformed folks a waste of skin ?
Reformed Blessings
Bill
 
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Hello resurrection33
I know it's hard at times to reconcile God's love with God's justice. We should not place one over the other. Jesus told us
Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50 “The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Why the warning, if all will have repented by the time of their deaths ? Also note a majority of folks will die never knowing of a need or have a desire to repent due to our natural proclivity to sin . With all due respect your not making sense brother .
When we look at all of scripture.
Blessings
Bill
I believe this is an invitation:

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
 
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If he is chastening you, sure (Heb 12:6). Could be he's let go of you and you're headed for hell (Heb 10:26).
The greasy gracer
(false convert).

Yeppers.
You've got that backwards. All are headed for hell if they do not receive Jesus as their Savior. No one goes to hell for their sin. They go to hell for their failure to trust in God's provision for their sin.


Are you a Calvinist?
If you are, read Haggai. Calvinists are indifferent and inactive--a waste of skin.
If my object is to obey him, why would he let go of me?
 

notuptome

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We all spend time in the lake of fire when we sin.
Nope, not even a micro second for those who are the redeemed of Christ. At the GWT only those who are judged and standing before the throne are cast into the lake of fire from which there is no escape. The redeemed of God are the witnesses viewing from behind the GWT. The great cloud of witnesses the heavenly host giving glory to God.

You are far from what the bible has to say on the matter.

Pr 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

What more can I say ?

For the cause of Christ
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Nope, not even a micro second for those who are the redeemed of Christ. At the GWT only those who are judged and standing before the throne are cast into the lake of fire from which there is no escape. The redeemed of God are the witnesses viewing from behind the GWT. The great cloud of witnesses the heavenly host giving glory to God.

You are far from what the bible has to say on the matter.

Pr 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

What more can I say ?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is some symbolism in the Bible. I believe you will discover the lake of fire is the consequences we experience when we sin. This is meant to persuade us to repent.
 

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There is some symbolism in the Bible. I believe you will discover the lake of fire is the consequences we experience when we sin. This is meant to persuade us to repent.
Ok when we accept Jesus as our lord and savior we are saved from what ?
Blessings
Bill
 

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I believe this is an invitation:

And I know you're wrong.

From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
Scripture supersedes your subjective belief and error.

It isn't an invitation; it's a command.

Not that you'd accept correction by any means.
 
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Ok when we accept Jesus as our lord and savior we are saved from what ?
Blessings
Bill
John 3:16-21 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

john 1:1-4 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
john 8:51"Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

john 8:26-28 ""I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. 28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 4:24-26 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

john 12:48-50 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Revelation 19:11-13 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God."
 

Laish

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John 3:16-21 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

john 1:1-4 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
john 8:51"Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

john 8:26-28 ""I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. 28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 4:24-26 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

john 12:48-50 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Revelation 19:11-13 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God."
Ok not quite following you internet here . Are you in agreement with the op and his following posts in this thread ?
Reading through them gives the strong sense everyone is saved or will come to repentance at the time of death .
The words of Jesus are to get us to repent and hell is somthing we go through at the time we sin not apart of final judgment.
Blessings
Bill
 
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Ok when we accept Jesus as our lord and savior we are saved from what ?
Blessings
Bill
The consequences of sin are quite horrible. For example, if you rob a bank, you will go to jail for quite some time. When we follow Jesus, he leads us on a path that avoids the consequences of sin. Also, Jesus forgives us for past sins.