Preaching To Islam

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J7

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You have just placed a high bar on anyone trying to preach to a Moslem, is that your intention?

Like I say, not my experience at all.
 

J7

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The most important thing in ministry is your behaviour, and personal qualities. Above doctrinal argument.
That is why Jesus said:

John 12:32King James Version (KJV)

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Same with us; the more crucified we are in Christ, the more we naturally draw people to us.
 

ForthAngel

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The most important thing in ministry is your behaviour, and personal qualities. Above doctrinal argument.
Really?

Too much regurgitated blah Magenta. Do you have an individual thought in your purple head?
Look, you cannot just post like this. Make a reasoned argument, or stick to the hairspray threads
Loads of stupid girly purple text on a serious issue actually is a bit galling. These are very serious issues for the world.
Actually I didn't read any of it because i find it nasty to look at
Also, sound doctrine is vital to ministry.
 

J7

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Yes. and yes.

1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness
 

graceNpeace

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You have just placed a high bar on anyone trying to preach to a Moslem, is that your intention?

Like I say, not my experience at all.
Have any of the Moslems you have witnessed to become Christian?
 

ForthAngel

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Yes. and yes.

1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness
Your behavior so far has betrayed your own words. You're just an arrogant know-it-all with an agenda. Your personality isn't going to draw anyone btw. God the Father does the drawing through Christ and his Gospel. If anything, your attitude, if it is this way when you witness, is going to repel anyone who you would seek to witness to. You're just a loud clanging cymbal, quick to speak and slow to hear. Noisy static in the ears of anyone with any sense if this is how you treat people.
 

J7

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Have any of the Moslems you have witnessed to become Christian?
No idea. But the commission is to take the gospel out to people. Whether they want to listen or not is up to them.

There was a famous Christian preacher in China who preached for 20 years and never got one conversion.
 

J7

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Your behavior so far has betrayed your own words. You're just an arrogant know-it-all with an agenda. Your personality isn't going to draw anyone btw. God the Father does the drawing through Christ and his Gospel. If anything, your attitude, if it is this way when you witness, is going to repel anyone who you would seek to witness to. You're just a loud clanging cymbal, quick to speak and slow to hear. Noisy static in the ears of anyone with any sense if this is how you treat people.
Sanctimonious. Only read about seven words.
 
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toinena

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I am happy for this thread, and we should try to be constructive here.

Muslims are everywhere. Do we meet them with love and respect and the gospel (that is by far the ultimate love), or do we keep away and see them as a threat? I choose the first. I am not ashamed of the gospel (Romans 1:16) and I if I don't believe we serve a mighty God, and get afraid of sharing that with Muslims, then I have lost.

We are blessed getting the misssion field in our backyard. Let's all try to make the best of it.
 

graceNpeace

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No idea. But the commission is to take the gospel out to people. Whether they want to listen or not is up to them.

There was a famous Christian preacher in China who preached for 20 years and never got one conversion.
Yup, and nowadays we know why.
He may as well having talking to trees!

Unless one knows the culture very well and the spiritual worldview of those one is trying to reach it is doomed to failure.
Not to say that there is any instant success this way either...
The difference is that one needs to be asking questions and learning that culture for several years before trying to preach.
 

J7

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Beautiful reply Toinena.

I'll butt out the thread now and leave it to take its own course. Hopefully a positive one.
 
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CaptainGoat

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The only way to reach out to the lost is through LOVE.
Have you noticed that it is rare that people turn to Christ that have not been attracted to His LOVE. We as His followers so we need to reflect this LOVE. I do not know how to reach out without LOVE.
LOVE never fails.
 

graceNpeace

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The only way to reach out to the lost is through LOVE.
Have you noticed that it is rare that people turn to Christ that have not been attracted to His LOVE. We as His followers so we need to reflect this LOVE. I do not know how to reach out without LOVE.
LOVE never fails.
No question!
With Moslems though a bit more is usually required...
 

trofimus

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I am wondering why a lot of Christians get stressed when Islam comes up - unlike Buddhism, Mormonism, etc etc

There might be lots of reasons for this, but it occurs to me that a lot of people have a works based mentality when it comes to evangelizing. They think they have to win the argument. Because Islam is a heavily theological and Scripture based religion, are people frightened of going head to head with it?
Because islam is full of blood, beating, killing, murdering, terrorist attacks, fanatism, streets and quarters occupation, rape of white women, discrimination ...and they even think they are something more.

Thats why it is very unpleasant to get deep into it for every normal person.

Not even talking about their so called prophet and his "qualities" or about their stupid idea of paradise.

Really disgusting religion.
 
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I am wondering why a lot of Christians get stressed when Islam comes up - unlike Buddhism, Mormonism, etc etc

There might be lots of reasons for this, but it occurs to me that a lot of people have a works based mentality when it comes to evangelizing. They think they have to win the argument. Because Islam is a heavily theological and Scripture based religion, are people frightened of going head to head with it?

All we do as Christians is live in Christ, so we demonstrate him by our lives, and we preach him according to circumstance. So if a Muslim asks me about my religion, I explain I am a Christian. We should not be fearful about this exchange.

The root problem in Islam is that it is derived from Judaism. Islam believes Jesus was a prophet and a mighty man of God, but they do not believe specifically that he died and was resurrected. They actually believe he was taken down from the cross alive.

I'd just show a Moslem Matthew 28 if it came to discussing scripture, and explain to him he has been hoodwinked by the Jews, and leave it at that.

11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
That might be a way to do it, but I don't think that they believe they have to win the argument is one of the reasons christians are stressed when thinking about sharing the Good News to muslims.

Jesus warned believers not to cast pearls before swine and so if they do not want to hear it or they are starting to argue about it, then there is no point in continuing, because they are not seeking the Truth nor Him.

Matthew 7:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:[SUP]8 [/SUP]For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

I think one of the reasons they do not approach muslims on the topic is that it has been taught to muslims that no one is to convert them from Islam. In some countries, there is a penalty to do so; sometimes it is death.

It is a safe bet that the internet and the media in USA is probably the safest place to share the Good News to muslims as well as for muslims that are secretly seeking the truth outside of Islam without risks of penalty from family & community.

Indeed, it is so bad that God knows it and the Father has been revealing His Son to muslims that seek Him in secret.

[video=youtube;gIKB-J-ebtU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIKB-J-ebtU[/video]

But, hey, if Jesus will use any believer to reach out to a muslim, He will use that believer, but it is obvious that He has to lead them to do it with His love going forth just as they have to have His love to die for Him if need be.
 
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Given what you have written I would not suggest going anywhere near Moslems with the Gospel - they will eat you without even having to spit the bones out!

To witness effectively to Moslems one needs to know a LOT about their theology and worldview.
That means amongst other things knowing the Q'uran better than they do!
Unless you KNOW exactly how they view Christianity (and Judaism for that matter) AND unless you KNOW Christian doctrine very well expect to get nowhere.

If you try and tell a Moslem that Islam is derived from Judaism, then, if he is not totally offended at you, he will just laugh at the joke of the day!
i would respectfully disagree .......... we dont need to study false religions in and out like james white does to evangelize people, you tell them Jesus died for their sins and resurrected, is the son of the living God and Himself is God and repent or perish etc and badaboom your out............ its better than nothing lol.......... i honestly have no interest in reading the quran its boring and confusing its like bad poetry ive tried...................
 
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We are blessed getting the misssion field in our backyard. Let's all try to make the best of it.
it seems more like a curse to europe as trofimus pointed out lol................
 

Yeraza_Bats

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I am wondering why a lot of Christians get stressed when Islam comes up - unlike Buddhism, Mormonism, etc etc

There might be lots of reasons for this, but it occurs to me that a lot of people have a works based mentality when it comes to evangelizing. They think they have to win the argument. Because Islam is a heavily theological and Scripture based religion, are people frightened of going head to head with it?
They are? I have not seen this in my personal life : p Islam is generally pretty easy to argue.

According to the quran, the word of allah cannot be changed-

Quran 18:27 "And recite what has been revealed to you of the book of your lord, there is none who can alter his words; and you shall not find any refuge besides him"

And the quran also tells us that the torah and Gospel are from allah as well-

Quran 3:3-4 "He has revealed to you the book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and he revealed the torah and the Gosple aforetime, a guidance for mankind, and he revealed the criterion."

AND the quran even tells Christians to judge the quran against the Gospel-

Quran 5:47 "Let the people of the Gospel judge by what allah hath reveled therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel."

So, if a Christian does this, they will find verses from Jesus like this-

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”


From Matthew 20:28- "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Matthew 3:16-17
And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

John 6:39-40
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

If we compare these teachings to whats written in the quran, we get this-

Quran 5:75 "Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers who passed away before him"


Quran 4:171 "O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."







Quran 4:157-158 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise

Therefore, after comparing the two, we can see that the quran goes entirely against the Gospel, that Muhammad did not know the Gospel when he made those commands to judge by the Gospel, and that he was a false prophet : p

Im a big advocate of proving how Muhammad was a false prophet. Muslims know the Gospel, as Islam exists to deny it. They believe that Christians are deceived and foolish, who are merely taking a prophet and making him into a god. Of course we should stand by the Gospel, but taking the time to learn about Islam, and prove that Muhammad did not know what he was teaching, will definitely help them feel more comfortable with stepping away from Muhammads teachings.

And the only Christians whod be afraid to talk with a Muslim would be one who doesnt really know the Bible so well, and not very confident in their faith, Id imagine. Jesus own words make it clear, He is far more than a prophet, and He came to give His life in exchange for our sins. There is no denying it in the Gospel other than claiming "the Gospel has been corrupted", which of course is not what the quran tells us.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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The only way to reach out to the lost is through LOVE.
I strongly disagree with this idea. Being really nice to people will not guide them to Jesus. If you were best friends with a Buhddist, and he was super nice to you all the time, would you consider converting to Buhddism? Of course you wouldnt : p

Muslims wont come to Christ merely because we were really loving. Its important to be loving, yes. We must be good representatives of Christ. But we must also know how to argue the scriptures they were raised into, that deny that Jesus was the Son of God, and that He died on the cross. In Islam, the unforgivable sin is giving God an equal. So a Muslim will believe that accepting Christ as Lord will lead them to hell.

You have to know how to defend the Gospel. And yeah, gotta do it with love yeah : p