The devil's greatest lie to the body of Christ!

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dcontroversal

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QuickenedByHim said:
Where is my lie?

I do what is good. The Spirit always leads me to do what is good. I pray for my enemies and I will never repay evil for evil. I harden not my heart.

I have not lied to you.
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Sure you did...you said you do not sin willfully...

To him that knows to do good and does it not it is sin....

So...you just lied or are ignorant of the word and do not know to do good...which is it?

Jesus--->There is NONE GOOD but GOD

There is not a just man upon the earth that does GOOD and SINS NOT
 
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QuickenedByHim said:
I claim to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus and led by the Spirit of God. Jesus is mighty and has set me free HALLELUJAH!
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Well that's funny, we claim this to yet you attack us..

shows what what you know does it not
 
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dcontroversal said:
Sure you did...you said you do not sin willfully...

To him that knows to do good and does it not it is sin....

So...you just lied or are ignorant of the word and do not know to do good...which is it?

Jesus--->There is NONE GOOD but GOD

There is not a just man upon the earth that does GOOD and SINS NOT
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God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him.
 
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QuickenedByHim said:
Since being truly converted, no. The Spirit does not lead me to disobeying Him.
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This does not answer the question. The spirit would never led you into disobedience. Your flesh and mind will. Have you ever let your mind or flesh led you to disobey anything?

Do you believe you are perfect in spirit, and because of that, it does not matter what you do in the flesh realm?


I think you have been told some things out of context and while I admire your new birth zeal, it grieves me that you are suggesting things that are on the fringe of truth, but not the truth, the way and the life.
 
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Meggido said:
This does not answer the question. The spirit would never led you into disobedience. Your flesh and mind will. Have you ever let your mind or flesh led you to disobey anything?

Do you believe you are perfect in spirit, and because of that, it does not matter what you do in the flesh realm?


I think you have been told some things out of context and while I admire your new birth zeal, it grieves me that you are suggesting things that are on the fringe of truth, but not the truth, the way and the life.
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"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." - Romans 8:14

I am led by the Spirit of God. What more need I say?

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me,and gave Himself for me." -Galatians 2:20
 
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QuickenedByHim said:
God is love; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him.
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Again.......you fail to answer the simple question....only one was sinless pal....and you are not the one....NO ONE IS.....there are a few that peddle it here....and just like the hypocritical Pharisees Jesus' day....blind, and false in their dogma....

Paul was clear in is teaching in Romans...was in present tense and even DANIEL had to confess sins....so....one last time.....you cannot answer the following question nor will you.....

DO YOU STILL SIN....

YES or NO

NO tap dancing, misdirection or rigmarole.....a simple yes or no will suffice.....
 
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Meggido said:
This does not answer the question. The spirit would never led you into disobedience. Your flesh and mind will. Have you ever let your mind or flesh led you to disobey anything?

Do you believe you are perfect in spirit, and because of that, it does not matter what you do in the flesh realm?


I think you have been told some things out of context and while I admire your new birth zeal, it grieves me that you are suggesting things that are on the fringe of truth, but not the truth, the way and the life.
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He cannot answer....nor will he.......another misguided soul that rejects ALL the bible has to say about believers and sin.....now...watch how many crawl out from under the wood pile to say I push living in sin or living like the devil.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
Again.......you fail to answer the simple question....only one was sinless pal....and you are not the one....NO ONE IS.....there are a few that peddle it here....and just like the hypocritical Pharisees Jesus' day....blind, and false in their dogma....

Paul was clear in is teaching in Romans...was in present tense and even DANIEL had to confess sins....so....one last time.....you cannot answer the following question nor will you.....

DO YOU STILL SIN....

YES or NO

NO tap dancing, misdirection or rigmarole.....a simple yes or no will suffice.....
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NO. I have come to repentance.
 
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QuickenedByHim said:
NO. I have come to repentance.
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Thanks....now everyone knows that your not right.....well....everyone except the few that say they don't sin.....John under inspiration equates your view to being deceived and no truth in you....

If WE say that WE have NO SIN, WE are deceived and the truth is not in US<--present tense.....
 
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Thanks....now everyone knows that your not right.....well....everyone except the few that say they don't sin.....John under inspiration equates your view to being deceived and no truth in you....

If WE say that WE have NO SIN, WE are deceived and the truth is not in US<--present tense.....
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You obviously don't know what repentance is.

John said "IF ANY MAN DOES SIN" do you see that? IF ANY MAN DOES SIN, he wouldn't have said that if every man forever lives in sin! He also wouldn't have said "I write to you, that you sin not, ONCE AGAIN, you make that statement of John POINTLESS AND VAIN by saying "it's impossible to not sin". Think about that, would you?

Holding the truth in unrighteousness ought to make you feel ashamed.
 
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QuickenedByHim said:
You obviously don't know what repentance is.

John said "IF ANY MAN DOES SIN" do you see that? IF ANY MAN DOES SIN
, he wouldn't have said that if every man forever lives in sin! He also wouldn't have said "I write to you, that you sin not, ONCE AGAIN, you make that statement of John POINTLESS AND VAIN by saying "it's impossible to not sin".

Holding the truth in unrighteousness ought to make you feel ashamed.
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The only sense in which you are NOT sinning is by you own standard - not by God's standard.
 
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The only sense in which you are NOT sinning is by you own standard - not by God's standard.
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Then why would John even say "I write to you, that you sin not."??? You make his statement vain if it's "impossible to sin not", don't you? Yes, you do.
 
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graceNpeace said:
The only sense in which you are NOT sinning is by you own standard - not by God's standard.
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Then why would John even say "I write to you, that you sin not."??? You make his statement vain if it's "impossible to sin not", don't you? Yes, you do.
 
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QuickenedByHim said:
Then why would John even say "I write to you, that you sin not."??? You make his statement vain if it's "impossibleto sin not", don't you? Yes, you do.
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And you are still treating the word of God like a jigsaw puzzle where you can pull any piece out of the box that you like to make any picture you want!

You are making John CONTRADICT himself when he did NOT CONTRADICT himself.
When John says:

[FONT=&quot]8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 I[/FONT][FONT=&quot]f we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 1 John 1:8

he is not contradicting himself when he writes:

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. 1 John 2:1

Why?
There is a second part to that verse, that is why!
And you in YOUR DISHONESTY have again taken that verse out its context - you could not even include the second sentence.
You are not dealing with the Biblically illiterate here - you may be but we are not!

Yes, John does NOT want us to sin.
That in NO WAY amounts to a demand and an expectation of sinlessness.
If it did why would he bother with the second sentence then!
[FONT=&quot]And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous[/FONT]. 1 John 2:1

And part of the sin that John is referring to is the inability to admit to a sinful nature (your problem).

I told you this earlier - you are being dishonest and you are lying.
Your selective quoting, both of posts to this forum and the word of God in order to make false claims are proof of that!
You are a sinner, but you will not admit it!

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QuickenedByHim said:
You obviously don't know what repentance is.

John said "IF ANY MAN DOES SIN" do you see that? IF ANY MAN DOES SIN, he wouldn't have said that if every man forever lives in sin! He also wouldn't have said "I write to you, that you sin not, ONCE AGAIN, you make that statement of John POINTLESS AND VAIN by saying "it's impossible to not sin". Think about that, would you?

Holding the truth in unrighteousness ought to make you feel ashamed.
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Sure I do...and you obviously don't know what sin is....and the fact that you are not above or without it.....and your last point is ignorant.....keep telling yourself you are sinless....The Pharisees thought the same thing.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
Sure I do...and you obviously don't know what sin is....and the fact that you are not above or without it.....and your last point is ignorant.....keep telling yourself you are sinless....The Pharisees thought the same thing.....
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"and your last point is ignorant".... What an intelligent and constructive response! Wow. You're failing to understand that there is a difference between "sinless" and "cleansed and quickened by the Spirit of God".

The Holy Spirit CAUSES me to walk in God's statues, know His judgements, and do them.
Just like the Holy Spirit prophesied in Ezekiel. Praise be to GOD.

""AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM -Ezekiel 36:27

God is the one who causes me to be righteous. That is the grace that brings salvation to all men, teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTEOUSLY, AND GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD (Titus 2:11-12)
 
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QuickenedByHim said:
"and your last point is ignorant".... What an intelligent and constructive response! Wow. You're failing to understand that there is a difference between "sinless" and "cleansed and quickened by the Spirit of God".

The Holy Spirit CAUSES me to walk in God's statues, know His judgements, and do them.
Just like the Holy Spirit prophesied in Ezekiel. Praise be to GOD.

""AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM -Ezekiel 36:27

God is the one who causes me to be righteous. That is the grace that brings salvation to all men, teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTEOUSLY, AND GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD (Titus 2:11-12)
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Nice verses...does not change the fact that you will fail and sin and will not be sinless until you die or get a glorified body....wake up pal...Daniel was way more righteous than you and he CONFESSED SIN....JESUS while ON earth with MEN who could walk on water, heal the sick, raise the dead said NO ONE IS GOOD BUT GOD.....YOU SIN, you are NOT above SIN.....and for sure you are setting forth the same attitude that the Pharisees set forth pal.

I am not failing to understand anything.....and I can read for sure...JOHN was clear....to say you are without sin makes you deceived and without truth....end of story!

THE FLESH is still present....and until that is changed you will have SIN and FAIL on occasion!
 
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