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The ground was cursed.
But jesus said the sins of the father are not imputed to the sons.
Just as Adam's sin is not imputed to us --- only its effects.
Genesis 3:17b
In toil they will eat of the fruit of the ground, and Adam will TOIL all the days of his life. Toil was necessary to make food grow.
It's not correct to say that Cain toiled as if Abel did not, as is Dcon's wording.
They BOTH toiled to obain their offering.
Now, why Cain's was not accepted is left up to the theologians.
It would seem that one wa sincere and one was not.
Or
One was the best of the crop
and one was not
and so the HEART was not in the offering.
There are differing opinions. Where the bible is not clear, we cannot create our own reason.
God told Cain not to be angry, to continue in doing good and that he would be accepted.
Genesis 4:7
God created both the sheep and the fruit of the ground.
But jesus said the sins of the father are not imputed to the sons.
Just as Adam's sin is not imputed to us --- only its effects.
Genesis 3:17b
In toil they will eat of the fruit of the ground, and Adam will TOIL all the days of his life. Toil was necessary to make food grow.
It's not correct to say that Cain toiled as if Abel did not, as is Dcon's wording.
They BOTH toiled to obain their offering.
Now, why Cain's was not accepted is left up to the theologians.
It would seem that one wa sincere and one was not.
Or
One was the best of the crop
and one was not
and so the HEART was not in the offering.
There are differing opinions. Where the bible is not clear, we cannot create our own reason.
God told Cain not to be angry, to continue in doing good and that he would be accepted.
Genesis 4:7
God created both the sheep and the fruit of the ground.
So before Jesus there were righteous men then correct?
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. Luke 1:5-6
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Luke 5:32
5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. Luke 1:5-6
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Luke 5:32
It has to do with "sweat" Fran.
It's seen in many different places. Not to mix linen and wool. Why did the priests wear linen garments? Because with linen there's no sweat.
The cloth that was placed over the face of Jesus was a sweat headband that they wore around their head in those days while working. Not a napkin. Wrong English word.
It was separated from the linen shroud.
These are revelation, allegorically seen truths. And they are all through scriptures.
Something the religious hate.
It's seen in many different places. Not to mix linen and wool. Why did the priests wear linen garments? Because with linen there's no sweat.
The cloth that was placed over the face of Jesus was a sweat headband that they wore around their head in those days while working. Not a napkin. Wrong English word.
It was separated from the linen shroud.
These are revelation, allegorically seen truths. And they are all through scriptures.
Something the religious hate.
Don't worry about it.
When the bible is not clear, we're not to dwell on it.
Abel offered a sacrifice that was acceptable. Maybe because it was an animal -- like for sacrifices.
Cain also offered a sacrifice (he gave up some of his food for the year) but it was not acceptable. Maybe because it didn't have blood in it. The life is in the blood.
that's all we know. The rest is conjecture.
When the bible is not clear, we're not to dwell on it.
Abel offered a sacrifice that was acceptable. Maybe because it was an animal -- like for sacrifices.
Cain also offered a sacrifice (he gave up some of his food for the year) but it was not acceptable. Maybe because it didn't have blood in it. The life is in the blood.
that's all we know. The rest is conjecture.
We almost agree.
He has not already done everything.
Sanctification is a work that we do with God so as to be holy and set apart.
We must do the work of the Kingdom.
Mathew 5 to 7.
The beattudes. Jesus tells us what we are to do to be members of the Kingdom.
He tells parables about the Kingdom and how precious it is.
If we're to be IN THE KINGDOM, we must keep the Kingdom rules.
Just as we keep the rules of the States.
The Kingdom is a real "place" that Jesus wanted to set up here on earth.
WE are the citizens of that Kingdom.
I might start a thread on this. it's important.
He has not already done everything.
Sanctification is a work that we do with God so as to be holy and set apart.
We must do the work of the Kingdom.
Mathew 5 to 7.
The beattudes. Jesus tells us what we are to do to be members of the Kingdom.
He tells parables about the Kingdom and how precious it is.
If we're to be IN THE KINGDOM, we must keep the Kingdom rules.
Just as we keep the rules of the States.
The Kingdom is a real "place" that Jesus wanted to set up here on earth.
WE are the citizens of that Kingdom.
I might start a thread on this. it's important.