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So Jesus was not perfect? Thank you for that little nugget.

Jesus teach us that He is the living word / law / torah.

(2Cor 3:6)

who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
 
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(Matt 12:8)

“For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”


Lets all look at the Lord of the Sabbath and follow Him.
 

Jackson123

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(Matt 12:8)

“For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”


Lets all look at the Lord of the Sabbath and follow Him.
He is sabbath, not only the Lord of sabbath. The real sabbath wich we waiting for has come,
 
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When yall go soul-winning do you tell people after you won em to the Lord that oh btw you gotta keep Sabbath or you wont be saved.
Is that the Gospel? keep the sabbath?
 

Grandpa

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(2Cor 3:6)

who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
John 1:17 [FONT=&quot]For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
 

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To one man all days are the same, while to another there are special days. Either when acting in the sight of God with a clear conscience is justified.

Why are some people saying it is wrong and other saying it is the only way?

Why are people harping on the family in order to get other s to day as they say?

If people love Jesus for what He has done, and they honor Him in their reverence, faith and how they believe, let no one condemn them, no one.

Stop arguing things not understood by your own mind and leave those at peace in peace.

God bless all who are in Jesus christ, amen.
 
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To one man all days are the same, while to another there are special days. Either when acting in the sight of God with a clear conscience is justified.

Why are some people saying it is wrong and other saying it is the only way?

Why are people harping on the family in order to get other s to day as they say?

If people love Jesus for what He has done, and they honor Him in their reverence, faith and how they believe, let no one condemn them, no one.

Stop arguing things not understood by your own mind and leave those at peace in peace.

God bless all who are in Jesus christ, amen.
All Christians agree with this - or they should.

The problem is when others say "You must observe the Sabbath as outlined in the Old testament or you are sinning and dis-obeying God."

That is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and it will be vehemently attacked so that the truth of the gospel will remain with the believers just like Paul said in Galatians.
 
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i do not see the world Weekly in that verse, and If so than why people keep weekly sabbath?
Are you suggesting that Paul was not referring to the 7th day Sabbath? And if not, what Sabbath do you believe that Paul was referring to?
 

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Are you suggesting that Paul was not referring to the 7th day Sabbath? And if not, what Sabbath do you believe that Paul was referring to?
no but Paul not only refering day sabbath but yearly sabbath aswell
 

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I know I am probably beginning to sound like a broken record lol, However that probably makes me fit in just fine lol.

But we can go on and on and on but For me it makes no difference because there is a problem in every single argument against the Sabbath given that no one wants to address.

If Paul is truly saying what you claim or for that matter any of the NT writers are saying what you claim they are saying about the Sabbath or the law. Then do as they did and demonstrate it from the OT. They proved their points by the OT.

If you can not do that then you have no substance to your argument, but a private interpretation of the NT writings.
 

Jackson123

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I know I am probably beginning to sound like a broken record lol, However that probably makes me fit in just fine lol.

But we can go on and on and on but For me it makes no difference because there is a problem in every single argument against the Sabbath given that no one wants to address.

If Paul is truly saying what you claim or for that matter any of the NT writers are saying what you claim they are saying about the Sabbath or the law. Then do as they did and demonstrate it from the OT. They proved their points by the OT.

If you can not do that then you have no substance to your argument, but a private interpretation of the NT writings.
so you want prove that ot say sabbath is shadow of Jesus?
 

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I know I am probably beginning to sound like a broken record lol, However that probably makes me fit in just fine lol.

But we can go on and on and on but For me it makes no difference because there is a problem in every single argument against the Sabbath given that no one wants to address.

If Paul is truly saying what you claim or for that matter any of the NT writers are saying what you claim they are saying about the Sabbath or the law. Then do as they did and demonstrate it from the OT. They proved their points by the OT.

If you can not do that then you have no substance to your argument, but a private interpretation of the NT writings.
Your ridiculous straw-man argument has absolutely no validity!
ALL you are saying is that you do not believe anything in the NT and that you do NOT hold the NT to be authoritative.
The NT is NOT subordinate to the OT - the fact that YOU believe it to be so is YOUR PRIVATE INTERPRETATION!
 

gotime

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Your ridiculous straw-man argument has absolutely no validity!
ALL you are saying is that you do not believe anything in the NT and that you do NOT hold the NT to be authoritative.
The NT is NOT subordinate to the OT - the fact that YOU believe it to be so is YOUR PRIVATE INTERPRETATION!
Nice words but prove it, you can't, I can.

Just go read the NT they quote the OT constantly to prove teachings doctrines and types and shadows using the OT. I have the whole NT to prove my point.

Do you only accept some parts of what the NT says and not others?

What does this say:


2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Clearly this is a reference to the OT, You have no choice but to accept that.

How did Paul prove the change of the Priesthood?

1, just his own sayings, or
2, OT

Info: Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Psa_110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Answer: The OT.

One could keep going but I don't need to as the NT does this over and over again.

I believe everything the NT says, Because it backs itself up with the first witness, thus two witnesses to my view.

Is this to hard for you to do? or is this your way of ignoring those facts?

Its not hard just do what the NT writers did. They were led by the Holy Spirit and they relied on the OT as is seen by the NT.

I can give more evidence if you would like, I have a whole NT full of it.


See when you bring up scriptures in the NT that say one thing and then others read the same scripture and say it does not say that. then you need a second witness to validate it. thus the OT.
 

graceNpeace

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Nice words but prove it, you can't, I can.

Just go read the NT they quote the OT constantly to prove teachings doctrines and types and shadows using the OT. I have the whole NT to prove my point.

Do you only accept some parts of what the NT says and not others?

What does this say:


2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Clearly this is a reference to the OT, You have no choice but to accept that.

How did Paul prove the change of the Priesthood?

1, just his own sayings, or
2, OT

Info: Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Psa_110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Answer: The OT.

One could keep going but I don't need to as the NT does this over and over again.

I believe everything the NT says, Because it backs itself up with the first witness, thus two witnesses to my view.

Is this to hard for you to do? or is this your way of ignoring those facts?

Its not hard just do what the NT writers did. They were led by the Holy Spirit and they relied on the OT as is seen by the NT.

I can give more evidence if you would like, I have a whole NT full of it.


See when you bring up scriptures in the NT that say one thing and then others read the same scripture and say it does not say that. then you need a second witness to validate it. thus the OT.
No problem with OT references for me!
Your problem, by your OWN ADMISSION, is accepting NT revelation that is not fully developed in the OT.
I don't have a problem with my hermeneutics - by your own admission YOU DO!
 

Jackson123

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Nice words but prove it, you can't, I can.

Just go read the NT they quote the OT constantly to prove teachings doctrines and types and shadows using the OT. I have the whole NT to prove my point.

Do you only accept some parts of what the NT says and not others?

What does this say:


2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Clearly this is a reference to the OT, You have no choice but to accept that.

How did Paul prove the change of the Priesthood?

1, just his own sayings, or
2, OT

Info: Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Psa_110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Answer: The OT.

One could keep going but I don't need to as the NT does this over and over again.

I believe everything the NT says, Because it backs itself up with the first witness, thus two witnesses to my view.

Is this to hard for you to do? or is this your way of ignoring those facts?

Its not hard just do what the NT writers did. They were led by the Holy Spirit and they relied on the OT as is seen by the NT.

I can give more evidence if you would like, I have a whole NT full of it.


See when you bring up scriptures in the NT that say one thing and then others read the same scripture and say it does not say that. then you need a second witness to validate it. thus the OT.
so It was wrong when Paul Said sabbath is shadow of Jesus, because not in the ot?
 

gotime

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No problem with OT references for me!
Your problem, by your OWN ADMISSION, is accepting NT revelation that is not fully developed in the OT.
I don't have a problem with my hermeneutics - by your own admission YOU DO!
Not really, my problem is that the OT says the opposite of what you claim the NT says. I have found nothing in the NT that I can not see in the Old. But concerning the Sabbath I find the OT shows that it still applies when Messiah comes. OT also teaches that it is for Gentiles also.

OT teaches it is not a shadow but a memorial of an already finished work.

OT teaches that there are feast Sabbaths which are a shadow of the messiah.
 

gotime

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so It was wrong when Paul Said sabbath is shadow of Jesus, because not in the ot?
No not wrong, He was right, I accept the NT as inspired by God. Its not what Paul said that I take issue with, Its what people try to say He is saying that I take issue with.

I can not accept that Paul taught soemthing that that is against what the Holy Spirit taught concerning the 7th day Sabbath in the OT in relation to Messiah.

However there are OT Sabbaths that were shadows of Messiah so clearly they are the ones Paul is here referring to.
 

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Walk trough the valley
There was a question about: hidden meaning in the Sabbath day recorded in Genesis? There is no beginning or ending to the Sabbath day, like the days of creation having ending and beginning for each new day. Hebrews 4 is about entering into rest as a permanent experience: "No longer I that lives but Christ." If you take this to heart and research it you will figure out why the church is not concerned about honoring a day above another or not: both should be convinced to honor the Lord as the eternal rest we enter by faith. It is evident that we need to enter into rest and that few there be that find it. Because of pride of achievement, self sufficiency, controlling desires...