The TRUE grace of God isn't what most people think!

[LoveGodForever]

If you think God's grace is nothing more than His merciful forgiveness, then you are greatly mistaken and you need to read this. God's grace is the quickening power of the Spirit within us that teaches us to deny ungodliness and live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world. It's because of His power working within us that we are able to do what we're commanded and 'Be ye holy; for I am holy'. It's because of Jesus Christ's power working within us that enables us to 'Be ye perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect.' THAT is what the grace of God that brings salvation truly is. DONT confuse mercy with grace.

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world. -Titus 2:11-12

As an ambassador for Christ, I pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God! (2 Corinthians 5:20)

Do you profess to know God but in works deny Him? (Titus 1:16)... If this is the case and you don't deny ungodliness in your life, therefore denying Him in your works, and try to justify living in such an unholy way in your mind by believing that "because of God's grace that you're not going to hell for living life the way you are," then you are an ungodly man who has turned the grace of our God into lasciviousness just as Jude urgently warned God's people over 1900 years ago in the beginning of his epistle:

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith that was once delivered unto the saints.
For there are certain men CREPT IN unawares, who were before of old ordained to ths condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." -Jude v3-4

THEY HAD CREPT IN WITHOUT BEING NOTICED WAY BACK THEN AND THEY ARE THE MAJORITY TODAY.

Quote the scripture that defines grace as 'unmerited favor', I'll wait.

It's not my works, but the quickening power of God's grace that causes me to live godly, not my works, but His!

Just like Paul said "It's no longer I who live but Christ who lives through me"

Also just like the prophecy in Ezekiel 36:27, He said "I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND YE SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM"

God's grace causes us to live godly, and be perfect and holy. The Holy Spirit is given to those that obey Him, it's not my works, I've ceased from my works, now Christ lives through me.

"And we are His witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey Him." -Acts 5:32

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There arent any 'works' that a man can individually accompilsh to save themselves, I understand that completely. That does NOT all of a sudden define grace as 'unmerited favor like you're trying to do. Your definition of grace matches exactly the type of twisted grace Jude warns us about, plain as day.

The full and TRUE definition of grace is given in to us very clearly in Titus 2:11-15. You need to quit hardening your heart and read the words that are right in front of you; its the full definition that God has been waiting for you to see and understand:

"11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation has appeared to all men, 12teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world. 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

How wonderful! Someone actually sharing the Word of God and not following man made teachings

God bless you

 

[Denadii]

Grace is the unmerited favor of God in which He shows us mercy, kindness, and patience instead of the judgment that we deserve for sinning against Him.

That's the definition of Mercy... Try again

 

[Stephen63]

To keep the malice and deceit down to a minimum - I will post this again concerning the words of Jesus. To the self-righteous - He gave the law to expose their need of a Savior. To others that knew they needed Him - Jesus spoke words of grace.

Here is a view of Matthew 6 and forgiveness through the finished work of Christ. I like to use this site sometimes as it has a place at the bottom of the article where people can ask questions. Many of us have the same questions.

Did Jesus Put Price tags on Forgiveness? (Matthew 6:14-15)

The gospel that Jesus revealed declares that God loves you like a father, he holds nothing against you, and he longs for his sons and daughters to come home. It’s the good news an orphaned world desperately needs to hear.
So why did Jesus say this:

For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Matt 6:14-15)

This sounds like bad news, as though you must earn God’s forgiveness through works of forgiveness. How are we to read these words? I’m going to give you three interpretations, and then you can choose.

1. Jesus is preaching law

As many grace preachers have said (including me in this post), Jesus was preaching law to those who lived under law.

Jesus was the greatest law preacher of all time. He preached law so the self-righteous would see their desperate need for grace.

The old law-keeping covenant has gone but the self-righteous who remain need to hear the harsh words of Jesus. The truth is you cannot earn God’s forgiveness. The measure of forgiveness we need is infinitely greater than any forgiveness we could show to others.

Did Jesus put price tags on forgiveness? In this passage, he does! But on the cross he paid that price on our behalf. The very condition for forgiveness that Jesus preached on the Mount, he fulfilled on the cross. Only in Christ do we receive the Father’s forgiveness.

2. Jesus is describing the fruit of grace

Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. (1 John 4:20)

Taylor Swift sang “Haters gonna hate,” but the lyrics are from John. Haters gonna hate because hate is in their heart. The fruit reveal the tree. But if you have been apprehended by the love of your heavenly Father you won’t be a hater anymore. You’ll be a lover and a forgiver.

Paul wrote, “Forgive as the Lord forgave you” (Col 3:13) and that’s the proper order. God acts, we respond. But if we don’t respond it’s as if God never acted. Do you see the connection? If we don’t believe God has forgiven us then Christ died for nothing. That’s what Jesus is saying here:

In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can’t get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God’s part. (Matt 6:14-15, MSG)

Unforgiveness is a form of bondage. It’s a grace killer. If you are unable to release forgiveness to others, you’ll have trouble experiencing the forgiveness that God has given to you.

It’s not that God will become unloving and travel back through time and stop Jesus from carrying your sins on the cross. God never changes! But if you don’t respond to what he has done, it’s as if he’d never done it. Grace without faith is worthless.

In the parable of the unforgiving servant, Jesus tells the story of a king who forgives an indebted servant (Matt 18:23-35). But the servant is unchanged by the king’s grace. By choosing to remain graceless and unforgiving the servant reveals his contempt for the gift and the giver. He does not, “Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” Instead he scorns grace and ends up miserable.

And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses. (Mark 11:25-26)

Again, there are two ways to read this: (1) as a law the self-righteous must obey if they are to keep up their charade, or (2) as an exhortation to walk in the grace of a Father who has already forgiven you in Christ.

“Paul, how can you say God has forgiven you when Jesus says he may forgive you?” Because I’ve seen the cross!

To forgive is to send your sins away and Jesus did that already. He will never do it again and you cannot undo what he has done (Heb 9:26). Because of Jesus God is no longer counting your sins against you (2 Cor 5:19).

The issue is not “what can I get God to do?” but “what God has done and what can I now do because of what he has done.”

Has someone hurt you? Are you the victim of an unforgiveable crime? By the grace of God you can be free from that wound! Don’t hold onto the sins of others like the unforgiving servant. You’ll be miserable. The flow of grace will be poisoned by the bitter root. Let go of sin and take hold of grace. Be better, not bitter. See the cross. See what Jesus did for you them forgive them in Jesus’ Name and be free!

3. It’s both, for Jesus speaks to all of us at our point of need

What you look through determines what you see. If you are trusting in your own performance, you will read Jesus’ words as law. “I must work to earn God’s forgiveness.” You cannot succeed! When life hurts you this law will condemn you as a law-breaker in need of grace, and the sooner that happens the better.

However, if you are trusting in Christ’s righteousness, you will read his words as an exhortation to walk in grace. You want more grace? Then give from the abundant supply he has given to you. Let no bitter root grow that causes you to fall short of grace (Heb 12:15).

Jesus spoke words the whole world needs to hear. The genius of Jesus was that he could speak to crowds of people and meet everyone – the self-righteous and the hungry – at their point of need.

It’s a mistake to dismiss the words of Jesus as irrelevant or old covenant or pre-cross. If it’s in the Bible it’s useful for training in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16).

The words of Jesus either reveal the self-righteousness that leads to death or the Christ-righteousness that causes you to reign in life!

The followers of Jesus still know that he has the words of eternal life!

Here is the link below if anyone is interested. Bless you!

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/08/...tthew-6v14-15/

https://escapetoreality.org is a hypergrace site. The owner of the site says so.

That means this post is:

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I respect the message and fully understand what youre saying here friend, but it seems as if you might be having trouble putting off the former conversation of your old man which is corrupt, and havent walked according to the rule of a new creature as we are called to. Grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, and let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour, and evil speaking be put away from you Stunnedbygrace. Put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness, mentally put on the Lord Jesus Christ and consider yourself a new creature, friend: be renewed in the spirit of your mind.

Our brother Peter tells us what we need to ARM OURSELVES WITH to overcome. (Just like most people arm themselves with a knife or a gun.) The mind of CHrist is the weapon we need to fully overcome and recieve the revelation and personal appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ which is our salvation:

"Forasmuch then as Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God."

I can't just decide to put all bitterness aside or anger aside. The best I can do is pray. I guess it's a process because I'm so blind to my own faults but keenly aware of everyone elses. It usually takes Him showing me that I do the same things I spout off about OTHER people doing. I don't know where this strange blindness in me comes from that I can rail about someone else when I'm doing the same things I'm railing about but just can't see them in me like I can in them.

If I fret over how selfish someone else has been, it's a sure bet He's going to show me my own selfishnesses.
Or if I fret over how unforgiving they have been towards me and how they're holding a grudge, it's a sure bet that He's going to show me how I do the same thing even though I think I don't.

Learning to follow Him has mostly been about Him showing me I'm a pretty lousy hypocrite. I want to have some sort of perfection from everyone else that even I don't possess.

You'd think that would make me depressed but the exact opposite happens. Instead, it lifts a weight off me. It's a relief to walk in the truth instead of pretending I'm somehow better than them. And it makes me able to throw off a grudge or bitterness when I see the truth about myself. It makes me able to forgive when I see that I am forgiven even though I do the same exact things.

I don't want to walk in darkness and self deceit. I want to be shown it.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Reading and listening and observing this forum and the world, I am beginning to worry that the Gospel of Grace has been watered down so much that the New Covenant and the blood of Jesus will soon be of no value and use.

I want to ask Skinski7 and those who support his videos, where do you draw the line on how perfect you must be?
Everyone sins that is a fact, some sins are hidden some are not, but everyone sins. So is it only sins that you do physically and willfully that disqualify your salvation? Or do you count coveting as well which is an immaterial non-physical sin. So even if you do covet something nobody will ever know, so you can keep your mirage of sinlessness.
This system of belief completely negates the death of Christ, you guys might as well go join the local synagogue and go back under the law.

I think those immaterial non-physical sins are worse than physical sins. If I sin outwardly and physically, I know I've done it. But if I am murdering someone in my heart, I can deceive myself that I haven't sinned. He said if I'm angry in my heart I've already murdered. But I'm sneaky at deceiving myself. I'm like the verse I read somewhere where I say: No one has caught me cheating! That's like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand and thinking no one can see it. That's the silly and inane way we inherited from our parents. It's how the whole world works, sort of like a total life philosophy that anything's fair as long as no one can catch you or prove what you're doing. It's passive-aggression. I'll murder you but do it in such a way that no man has caught me cheating. I hate it so much it makes me feel physically ill when I see myself doing it.

 

[Denadii]

Reading and listening and observing this forum and the world, I am beginning to worry that the Gospel of Grace has been watered down so much that the New Covenant and the blood of Jesus will soon be of no value and use.

I want to ask Skinski7 and those who support his videos, where do you draw the line on how perfect you must be?
Everyone sins that is a fact, some sins are hidden some are not, but everyone sins. So is it only sins that you do physically and willfully that disqualify your salvation? Or do you count coveting as well which is an immaterial non-physical sin. So even if you do covet something nobody will ever know, so you can keep your mirage of sinlessness.
This system of belief completely negates the death of Christ, you guys might as well go join the local synagogue and go back under the law.

Why do you categorize sin? Sin is sin, no more no less. Ok Sin in your life does not limit your salvation either. That cannot take you out of the hand of God.
So here we are born again children of God. He says don't do that. You do it. What happens? Well to put it into its simplest terms...you get hurt. Why did God tell you not to do it? ...He told you not to do it so that you would not get hurt. God is our Father. He is raising a child. Children, as they grow, make mistakes, think they know better. The parents try to guide and teach them but the child often has to learn by experience too. So there you go, putting your hand into that pretty flame. But your father is there to comfort you and to help you heal....God is just that way. Your "sinning" is a part of your learning process..That you are still a sinner because you do that is a lie from the enemy who only wants you to fail and die.

There is so much we Christians do not know because we listen to the wrong person

 

[QuickenedByHim]

I can't just decide to put all bitterness aside or anger aside. The best I can do is pray. I guess it's a process because I'm so blind to my own faults but keenly aware of everyone elses. It usually takes Him showing me that I do the same things I spout off about OTHER people doing. I don't know where this strange blindness in me comes from that I can rail about someone else when I'm doing the same things I'm railing about but just can't see them in me like I can in them.

If I fret over how selfish someone else has been, it's a sure bet He's going to show me my own selfishnesses.
Or if I fret over how unforgiving they have been towards me and how they're holding a grudge, it's a sure bet that He's going to show me how I do the same thing even though I think I don't.

Learning to follow Him has mostly been about Him showing me I'm a pretty lousy hypocrite. I want to have some sort of perfection from everyone else that even I don't possess.

You'd think that would make me depressed but the exact opposite happens. Instead, it lifts a weight off me. It's a relief to walk in the truth instead of pretending I'm somehow better than them. And it makes me able to throw off a grudge or bitterness when I see the truth about myself. It makes me able to forgive when I see that I am forgiven even though I do the same exact things.

I don't want to walk in darkness and self deceit. I want to be shown it.

Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Christ... EXCEPT YE BE THAT our father is called out o the inistry

 

[Rosemaryx]

I can't just decide to put all bitterness aside or anger aside. The best I can do is pray. I guess it's a process because I'm so blind to my own faults but keenly aware of everyone elses. It usually takes Him showing me that I do the same things I spout off about OTHER people doing. I don't know where this strange blindness in me comes from that I can rail about someone else when I'm doing the same things I'm railing about but just can't see them in me like I can in them.

If I fret over how selfish someone else has been, it's a sure bet He's going to show me my own selfishnesses.
Or if I fret over how unforgiving they have been towards me and how they're holding a grudge, it's a sure bet that He's going to show me how I do the same thing even though I think I don't.

Learning to follow Him has mostly been about Him showing me I'm a pretty lousy hypocrite. I want to have some sort of perfection from everyone else that even I don't possess.

You'd think that would make me depressed but the exact opposite happens. Instead, it lifts a weight off me. It's a relief to walk in the truth instead of pretending I'm somehow better than them. And it makes me able to throw off a grudge or bitterness when I see the truth about myself. It makes me able to forgive when I see that I am forgiven even though I do the same exact things.

I don't want to walk in darkness and self deceit. I want to be shown it.

Stunnedbygrace your post is very refreshing i must say, it really is the truth of your feelings inside you, and if the truth be known, i am sure many would agree they feel this way also, so many people pushing their own self righteousness when in reality we are nothing without Him ( Christ ) who strengthens us . Phil 4:13... So many people trying to be a Paul, or Peter, or even like Jesus Himself, it is through the Grace of God who changes us, the holy Spirit who moves in us, not by our works lest any man should boast...xox...

 

[sevenseas]

The TRUE grace of God isn't what most people think!

when someone indicates they believe they are privy to the thoughts of most people and then venture to set an entire forum straight by their own thoughts, I hesitate

when they further deny the actual meaning of the word grace, unmerited favor, I pause

when they continue to berate those who simply explain what grace is, even with a dictionary definition, then I am thinking agenda time

and on it goes

 

[Denadii]

when someone indicates they believe they are privy to the thoughts of most people and then venture to set an entire forum straight by their own thoughts, I hesitate

when they further deny the actual meaning of the word grace, unmerited favor, I pause

when they continue to berate those who simply explain what grace is, even with a dictionary definition, then I am thinking agenda time

and on it goes

Grace is NOT unmerited favor. That's the definition of MERCY Grace is not mercy.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Stunnedbygrace your post is very refreshing i must say, it really is the truth of your feelings inside you, and if the truth be known, i am sure many would agree they feel this way also, so many people pushing their own self righteousness when in reality we are nothing without Him ( Christ ) who strengthens us . Phil 4:13... So many people trying to be a Paul, or Peter, or even like Jesus Himself, it is through the Grace of God who changes us, the holy Spirit who moves in us, not by our works lest any man should boast...xox...

It's kind of like watching a little kid try to act like his parents isn't it? He acts like he can read and meanwhile everyone is laughing at him and rolling their eyes because he gives himself away because he's holding the book upside down as he pretends to read!

Jesus even said we are like children in the square playing and saying hey, we played a sad song and you didn't play the game right and mourn and then we played a happy song and you still didn't follow the script and rejoice...

Yeah, the truth is refreshing. It's refreshing to walk in it instead of trying to always hide from it and make excuses for myself. I don't know why I was so afraid of "losing face" by admitting my weaknesses. The exact opposite happens - when I am weak and admit my weaknesses then I am strong, therefore I will admit my weaknesses and bring them into the light because when I am weak and admit it, then I am strong!

I get so weary of the game of always trying to duck and weave and insist I wasn't being mean or snotty or that I had good intentions when really I was trying to passively aggressively "get even" with someone who hurt or embarrassed me! I'd rather walk in the truth, in the light. And if I do, then I will receive more light. He who has will receive more and he who doesn't have, even what little he has been given will be taken from him. I think he who has is having because he listened and kept it and believed it.

If I claim to walk in the light of truth and yet have anger in my heart at you that I hide from you or insist isn't there, then I'm not loving you and I'm a liar trying to cover up my murdering of you, just like Cain. If I were really walking in the light of the truth, I'd admit what I was doing to God and get His strength for my weakness. Walking in the light doesn't mean I never sin. Walking in the light just means walking in the truth. It simply means I admit my sin or weakness. And it's addictive once you begin to walk in the truth. You never want to hide from the truth, the light, ever again if you can at all help it.

 

[followjesus]

If you think God's grace is nothing more than His merciful forgiveness, then you are greatly mistaken and you need to read this. God's grace is the quickening power of the Spirit within us that teaches us to deny ungodliness and live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world. It's because of His power working within us that we are able to do what we're commanded and 'Be ye holy; for I am holy'. It's because of Jesus Christ's power working within us that enables us to 'Be ye perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect.' THAT is what the grace of God that brings salvation truly is. DONT confuse mercy with grace.

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world. -Titus 2:11-12

As an ambassador for Christ, I pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God! (2 Corinthians 5:20)

Do you profess to know God but in works deny Him? (Titus 1:16)... If this is the case and you don't deny ungodliness in your life, therefore denying Him in your works, and try to justify living in such an unholy way in your mind by believing that "because of God's grace that you're not going to hell for living life the way you are," then you are an ungodly man who has turned the grace of our God into lasciviousness just as Jude urgently warned God's people over 1900 years ago in the beginning of his epistle:

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith that was once delivered unto the saints.
For there are certain men CREPT IN unawares, who were before of old ordained to ths condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." -Jude v3-4

THEY HAD CREPT IN WITHOUT BEING NOTICED WAY BACK THEN AND THEY ARE THE MAJORITY TODAY.

really great post, sorely needed in todays church.

One Gospel, One faith, One elect. One spirit, One way from Jesus until eternity. Grace is terribly misunderstood in the modern church made a tool of omission of Gods Word, and our conscience which is where He does the Work through His word. world friendly message versus the truth. Good job on the post i enjoyed the read God bless

2 peter 1:1-11 "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[sevenseas]

Grace is NOT unmerited favor. That's the definition of MERCY Grace is not mercy.

right

you have your job cut out for you now

you may begin with the English Oxford dictionary which defines grace thusly:

3[FONT=noto_serif_devanagari](in Christian belief) the free and unmerited favour of God, as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings.

you will no longer have time for the forums cause every Christian site out there will define grace as the unmerited favor of God for the simple reason that they like me better

haha just kidding. it's the actual definition

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[sevenseas]

some people really deserve coal in their stocking come Christmas

 

[Rosemaryx]

It's kind of like watching a little kid try to act like his parents isn't it? He acts like he can read and meanwhile everyone is laughing at him and rolling their eyes because he gives himself away because he's holding the book upside down as he pretends to read!

Jesus even said we are like children in the square playing and saying hey, we played a sad song and you didn't play the game right and mourn and then we played a happy song and you still didn't follow the script and rejoice...

Yeah, the truth is refreshing. It's refreshing to walk in it instead of trying to always hide from it and make excuses for myself. I don't know why I was so afraid of "losing face" by admitting my weaknesses. The exact opposite happens - when I am weak and admit my weaknesses then I am strong, therefore I will admit my weaknesses and bring them into the light because when I am weak and admit it, then I am strong!

I get so weary of the game of always trying to duck and weave and insist I wasn't being mean or snotty or that I had good intentions when really I was trying to passively aggressively "get even" with someone who hurt or embarrassed me! I'd rather walk in the truth, in the light. And if I do, then I will receive more light. He who has will receive more and he who doesn't have, even what little he has been given will be taken from him. I think he who has is having because he listened and kept it and believed it.

If I claim to walk in the light of truth and yet have anger in my heart at you that I hide from you or insist isn't there, then I'm not loving you and I'm a liar trying to cover up my murdering of you, just like Cain. If I were really walking in the light of the truth, I'd admit what I was doing to God and get His strength for my weakness. Walking in the light doesn't mean I never sin. Walking in the light just means walking in the truth. It simply means I admit my sin or weakness. And it's addictive once you begin to walk in the truth. You never want to hide from the truth, the light, ever again if you can at all help it.

Amen to that...xox...

 

[sevenseas]

mercy

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plural mercies

• 1a : compassion or forbearance (see forbearance 1) shown especially to an offender or to one subject to one's power; also : lenient or compassionate treatment begged for mercyb : imprisonment rather than death imposed as penalty for first-degree murder
• 2a : a blessing that is an act of divine favor or compassion May God have mercy on us.b : a fortunate circumstance it was a mercy they found her before she froze
• 3: compassionate treatment of those in distress works of mercy among the poor

mercy

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at the mercy of

• : wholly in the power of : with no way to protect oneself against

 

[sevenseas]

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• 1a : unmerited divine assistance given humans for their regeneration or sanctificationb : a virtue coming from Godc : a state of sanctification enjoyed through divine assistance
• 2a : approval, favor stayed in his good gracesb archaic : mercy, pardonc : a special favor : privilegeeach in his place, by right, not grace, shall rule his heritage — Rudyard Kiplingd : disposition to or an act or instance of kindness, courtesy, or clemencye : a temporary exemption : reprieve
• 3a : a charming or attractive trait or characteristic Among disagreeable qualities he possessed the saving grace of humor.b : a pleasing appearance or effect : charmall the grace of youth — John Buchanc : ease and suppleness (see 1supple 2b) of movement or bearing danced with suchgrace
• 4—used as a title of address or reference for a duke, a duchess, or an archbishop
• 5: a short prayer at a meal asking a blessing or giving thanks
• 6Graces plural : three sister goddesses in Greek mythology who are the givers of charm and beauty
• 7: a musical trill, turn, or appoggiatura
• 8a : sense of propriety or righthad the grace not to run for elective office — Calvin Trillinb : the quality or state of being considerate or thoughtful accepted his advice with grac

 

[sevenseas]

y'all keep insisting the words don't mean what they mean now

 

[Denadii]

right

you have your job cut out for you now

you may begin with the English Oxford dictionary which defines grace thusly:

3[FONT=noto_serif_devanagari](in Christian belief) the free and unmerited favour of God, as manifested in the salvation of sinners and the bestowal of blessings.

you will no longer have time for the forums cause every Christian site out there will define grace as the unmerited favor of God for the simple reason that they like me better

haha just kidding. it's the actual definition

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I understand that many Christians define Grace as unmerited favor. But many Christians are wrong!

1. grace charis
   
   1. that which affords joy, pleasure, delight, sweetness, charm, loveliness: grace of speech
2. good will, loving-kindness, favour
   
   1. of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues
3. what is due to grace
   
   1. the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace
      
   2. the token or proof of grace, benefit
      
      1. a gift of grace
         
      2. benefit, bounty
4. thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward

Mercy...eleeō

1. to have mercy on
   
2. to help one afflicted or seeking aid
   
3. to help the afflicted, to bring help to the wretched
   
4. to experience mercy

Two different words 'Charis' and 'Eleeo' meaning two different things.


The bible talks of Grace and it talks of Mercy as two different things...Grace is the Empowering PRESENCE of God in your life that enables you to do that which He gives you to do.

It was His empowering PRESENCE in you that saved you from sin because of His Mercy. unmerited favor on you. Unmerited favor does not save you or He would have said you were saved by mercy. He said you were saved by his empowering PRESENCE on you because of His mercy.


Why do Christians keep defining God by worldly sources anyway?

 

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To show someone mercy is to be gracious toward them.
If someone is unforgiving and holds a grudge even though we sincerely apologized they are being neither gracious nor merciful toward us. They are wanting us to pay a little before they forgive us.

But when we ourselves need forgiveness for speaking harshly to them or doing something mean to them, we are quick to see their lack of mercy or grace. We see their fault but not our own. We tip the scales in our favor. God hates unequal weights.