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I visited one of the Catacombs in Rome, but I was not saved back then (many years ago). Of course, it's run by Franciscans, or at least they were back then.
It was explained that they had found something written of Peter's or his name was on the walls, I can't remember. it DID seem like he had spent time there. Also, it seems that he was imprisoned in Rome and that he had made a trip as far North as Pisa.
I've never read any books on this since it does not seem very important to me.
All my bibles, when introducing Peter, say that it was most probably written from Rome.
I'm looking at the NASB right now, but I could not find this introduction online.
It doesn't matter to me very much, but it does seem your author is not in the majority of theologians and acrcheologists, although I cannot prove this and so cannot debate it. (no time).
Here is something that I pulled up on Bing. It's pretty much what is said:
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Introduction to 1 Peter
Timeline
Timeline
Author, Date, and Recipients
The apostle Peter wrote this letter (1:1). He was once a fisherman but now was a disciple, a “witness of the sufferings of Christ” (5:1). He probably wrote the letter from Rome (see 5:13; “Babylon” almost certainly refers to Rome) around A.D. 62–63 during Nero’s reign. The letter is addressed to Christians scattered in “Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia” (1:1). This is an area north of the Taurus Mountains in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). These territories had been impacted by Greco-Roman culture and had been under Roman control from the mid-first century B.C.
Theme
Those who persevere in faith while suffering persecution should be full of hope. They will certainly enjoy end-time salvation, since they already enjoy God’s saving promises through Christ’s death and resurrection.
Purpose
Peter is writing to encourage his readers to endure suffering and persecution (1:6–7; 2:18–20; 3:9, 13–17; 4:1–4, 12–19; 5:9) by giving themselves entirely to God (4:19). They are to remain faithful in times of distress, knowing that God will vindicate them and that they will certainly enjoy the salvation that the Lord has promised. Christ’s death and resurrection are the model for believers. Just as Christ suffered and then entered into glory, so too his followers will suffer before being exalted.
Key Themes
Those who suffer as Christians will be proven faithful when Christ returns (1:6–9; 2:18–25; 3:13–22; 4:12–19).
The church is the new temple, the new Israel, the new people of God (1:1–2; 2:4–10).
Believers should set their hope on their end-time inheritance (1:3–9, 13–16).
Christ died as a substitute for sinners. His death is the basis for their new life (1:17–21; 2:24; 3:13–22).
Christ’s suffering is an example to his disciples (2:21–23).
At his resurrection, Christ triumphed over his enemies (3:18–22).
Christians should live righteously in their homes and in society (2:11–3:7).
New life in Christ is the basis for a life of love and holiness (1:3; 1:13–2:3).
Outline
Opening (1:1–2)
Called to Salvation as Exiles (1:3–2:10)
Living as Strangers to Bring Glory to God in a Hostile World (2:11–4:11)
Enduring Suffering (4:12–5:11)
Concluding Words (5:12–14)
The Setting of 1 Peter
c. A.D. 62–63
Peter, probably writing from Rome (called “Babylon” in 5:13), addressed 1 Peter to believers in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. These names all referred to Roman provinces in Asia Minor, north of the Taurus Mountains.
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What you DID say that I find very interesting is your comment on eschatolog.
First of all, I don't know too much about eschatology --- I've never studied it.
However, I do know about preterism (very little !) and it seems you're saying that the Catholic Church believes in this?
If so, I've never heard of it, but I'd be able to ask someone there that would know. He taught Catholic theology (a Catholic Priest and theologian).
Please tell me more about this...
It does not sound right.
Catholics believe the world will come to an end at some point...
As we also believe.
I visited one of the Catacombs in Rome, but I was not saved back then (many years ago). Of course, it's run by Franciscans, or at least they were back then.
It was explained that they had found something written of Peter's or his name was on the walls, I can't remember. it DID seem like he had spent time there. Also, it seems that he was imprisoned in Rome and that he had made a trip as far North as Pisa.
I've never read any books on this since it does not seem very important to me.
All my bibles, when introducing Peter, say that it was most probably written from Rome.
I'm looking at the NASB right now, but I could not find this introduction online.
It doesn't matter to me very much, but it does seem your author is not in the majority of theologians and acrcheologists, although I cannot prove this and so cannot debate it. (no time).
Here is something that I pulled up on Bing. It's pretty much what is said:
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Introduction to 1 Peter
Timeline
Timeline
Author, Date, and Recipients
The apostle Peter wrote this letter (1:1). He was once a fisherman but now was a disciple, a “witness of the sufferings of Christ” (5:1). He probably wrote the letter from Rome (see 5:13; “Babylon” almost certainly refers to Rome) around A.D. 62–63 during Nero’s reign. The letter is addressed to Christians scattered in “Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia” (1:1). This is an area north of the Taurus Mountains in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). These territories had been impacted by Greco-Roman culture and had been under Roman control from the mid-first century B.C.
Theme
Those who persevere in faith while suffering persecution should be full of hope. They will certainly enjoy end-time salvation, since they already enjoy God’s saving promises through Christ’s death and resurrection.
Purpose
Peter is writing to encourage his readers to endure suffering and persecution (1:6–7; 2:18–20; 3:9, 13–17; 4:1–4, 12–19; 5:9) by giving themselves entirely to God (4:19). They are to remain faithful in times of distress, knowing that God will vindicate them and that they will certainly enjoy the salvation that the Lord has promised. Christ’s death and resurrection are the model for believers. Just as Christ suffered and then entered into glory, so too his followers will suffer before being exalted.
Key Themes
Those who suffer as Christians will be proven faithful when Christ returns (1:6–9; 2:18–25; 3:13–22; 4:12–19).
The church is the new temple, the new Israel, the new people of God (1:1–2; 2:4–10).
Believers should set their hope on their end-time inheritance (1:3–9, 13–16).
Christ died as a substitute for sinners. His death is the basis for their new life (1:17–21; 2:24; 3:13–22).
Christ’s suffering is an example to his disciples (2:21–23).
At his resurrection, Christ triumphed over his enemies (3:18–22).
Christians should live righteously in their homes and in society (2:11–3:7).
New life in Christ is the basis for a life of love and holiness (1:3; 1:13–2:3).
Outline
Opening (1:1–2)
Called to Salvation as Exiles (1:3–2:10)
Living as Strangers to Bring Glory to God in a Hostile World (2:11–4:11)
Enduring Suffering (4:12–5:11)
Concluding Words (5:12–14)
The Setting of 1 Peter
c. A.D. 62–63
Peter, probably writing from Rome (called “Babylon” in 5:13), addressed 1 Peter to believers in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. These names all referred to Roman provinces in Asia Minor, north of the Taurus Mountains.
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What you DID say that I find very interesting is your comment on eschatolog.
First of all, I don't know too much about eschatology --- I've never studied it.
However, I do know about preterism (very little !) and it seems you're saying that the Catholic Church believes in this?
If so, I've never heard of it, but I'd be able to ask someone there that would know. He taught Catholic theology (a Catholic Priest and theologian).
Please tell me more about this...
It does not sound right.
Catholics believe the world will come to an end at some point...
As we also believe.
Are you friendly with a certain poster here?
He also likes to call people liars.
You really shouldn't do this unless you're absolutely sure of what you're saying.
And even then you should be courteous and have second thoughts.
First of all, I don't know you and you don't know me.
Second of all, quite frankly, I don't care what you believe about me.
He also likes to call people liars.
You really shouldn't do this unless you're absolutely sure of what you're saying.
And even then you should be courteous and have second thoughts.
First of all, I don't know you and you don't know me.
Second of all, quite frankly, I don't care what you believe about me.
You misjudge me. I hate only the false doctrine taught by rome. I hate to see people deluded into thinking that the church is doing something for them regarding eternal life that it cannot do for itself.
I have seen family members die trusting rome and discounting Jesus. They are not in paradise or purgatory.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I have seen family members die trusting rome and discounting Jesus. They are not in paradise or purgatory.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
A family has a head- the husband. I agree. However, the head of the husband is Christ. The husband is not a replacement or substitute (vicar) or a representative of Christ. The ultimate head is Christ himself. The husband does not make his own teachings; rather he points to the teachings of the ultimate head-Christ. The husband does not change or revise the teachings of Christ.
As the head (because the Bible calls him so) of the family (under Christ), a husband is a servant who is commanded to give himself up for his wife if needed, just as Christ gave himself up for his church. The husband does not always make the final decision for a family. The wife decides too. Marriage is a partnership; not a hierarchy. The husband and the wife have different roles though.
A church has an elder/overseer/bishop/deacon/evangelist/pastor/leader. Whoever the elder is, he cannot call himself the "head." In relation to a church, the "head" is a title and function that is exclusively assigned to Jesus. No human must assume the title of "head" as far as a church is concerned. No human elder, etc, must call himself "father" in connection with church leadership. Elders, etc., point the church to the head i.e. Christ. These are no way replacements or substitutes (vicars) or representatives of Christ on earth. They are not successors of Christ. They do not have the authority to change or revise the teachings of Christ. They must not add to the teachings of Christ. They are not infallible under any circumstance whatsoever.
The first century churches were autonomous. If I'm not mistaken, they did not have a common singular elder over all the churches. Paul (and the apostles) would jump from church to church teaching the elders, etc., about what Jesus had personally taught them, since printed gospels and epistles weren't available. And please....Peter was no way the main Pope over all the congregations.
As the head (because the Bible calls him so) of the family (under Christ), a husband is a servant who is commanded to give himself up for his wife if needed, just as Christ gave himself up for his church. The husband does not always make the final decision for a family. The wife decides too. Marriage is a partnership; not a hierarchy. The husband and the wife have different roles though.
A church has an elder/overseer/bishop/deacon/evangelist/pastor/leader. Whoever the elder is, he cannot call himself the "head." In relation to a church, the "head" is a title and function that is exclusively assigned to Jesus. No human must assume the title of "head" as far as a church is concerned. No human elder, etc, must call himself "father" in connection with church leadership. Elders, etc., point the church to the head i.e. Christ. These are no way replacements or substitutes (vicars) or representatives of Christ on earth. They are not successors of Christ. They do not have the authority to change or revise the teachings of Christ. They must not add to the teachings of Christ. They are not infallible under any circumstance whatsoever.
The first century churches were autonomous. If I'm not mistaken, they did not have a common singular elder over all the churches. Paul (and the apostles) would jump from church to church teaching the elders, etc., about what Jesus had personally taught them, since printed gospels and epistles weren't available. And please....Peter was no way the main Pope over all the congregations.
CEO is a title for a leader of a secular organization. For a church (which is a spiritual organism) the word elder, etc, would do, but NOT "Head" or "Vicar," as that would undermine the importance and authority of Christ.
In my opinion, every church must have a separate leader. Yes, there can always be a mature leader who would jump from church to church (like Paul) and teach the Bible and serve. However, he must not lord it over any of the congregations.
Every congregational leader can help out with another congregation. There is no question disputes in fundamental truths, as all congregations would follow the teachings of the Head- Christ, from the Bible, and nowhere else.
In case of any disputes, each congregational leader must consult the other. Each congregation of a denomination must be in touch with the other.
Each congregation must fund itself and not depend on the other. Yes, at times one congregations can accept help from another congregation. However, the administrations of each congregation must be separate as well.
And most important: the elder or the congregational leader must not control the money. His job would be to preach and teach and to serve.
The biggest problem with Joyce Meyers Ministries is that she controls the money. The same can be said of Benny Hinn Ministries, or Creflo Dollar Ministries or any other televangelist.
In my opinion, every church must have a separate leader. Yes, there can always be a mature leader who would jump from church to church (like Paul) and teach the Bible and serve. However, he must not lord it over any of the congregations.
Every congregational leader can help out with another congregation. There is no question disputes in fundamental truths, as all congregations would follow the teachings of the Head- Christ, from the Bible, and nowhere else.
In case of any disputes, each congregational leader must consult the other. Each congregation of a denomination must be in touch with the other.
Each congregation must fund itself and not depend on the other. Yes, at times one congregations can accept help from another congregation. However, the administrations of each congregation must be separate as well.
And most important: the elder or the congregational leader must not control the money. His job would be to preach and teach and to serve.
The biggest problem with Joyce Meyers Ministries is that she controls the money. The same can be said of Benny Hinn Ministries, or Creflo Dollar Ministries or any other televangelist.
I stoppped reading when I got to this. "He probably wrote the letter from Rome (see 5:13; “Babylon” almost certainly refers to Rome) around A.D. 62–63 during Nero’s reign.
Sorry FranC I am a literalist and cannot accept Probablies, could bes, maybes, or almost certainlys.... Only Preterist do that.... Once you start to allegorize verses or whole chapters and books, you have left the building..... Once you start to allegorize History, one can say anything and there are people who will believe them..
I could have said that but it would have not been true.....As far as the being a minority about the thinking of Peter and Rome,,,,Welll welcome to my world.......
The fact that the Catholic Pope is not a true successor by any means, The Church down through History was sold out to harlots (literally) and Pope Innocent III killed more Christians in one afternoon that all of the Ceasar's of Rome put together.
Read the Book and you will see the truth........ The documents don't lie.........
Now, There are a lot of good people that are taken in by the pope and there will be some that will see the light and accept Jesus without any strings attached including his mother. I do think the Catholic Church will become the False Prophet and ride the Beast. The Bible speaks of a city on 7 hills and this one is the only one that fits. Read the Book, look at the facts and then make a decision. If you then feel they will still serve you better, then it is after all you eternal life you are gambling with and it is your decision...... I have given you all the information I can on this subject, that will hopefully pry you away from the Catholic CHurch.
I have no doubt that Islam will fall prey to the Catholic Church simply because they are pushing the Mother Mary and will in the near future make a co-redemtrix of the Church. There are a number of Protestant churches already singing the CC praises. Be very careful which one of those you get into......
May you have a Blessed evening.
Blade
Sorry FranC I am a literalist and cannot accept Probablies, could bes, maybes, or almost certainlys.... Only Preterist do that.... Once you start to allegorize verses or whole chapters and books, you have left the building..... Once you start to allegorize History, one can say anything and there are people who will believe them..
I could have said that but it would have not been true.....As far as the being a minority about the thinking of Peter and Rome,,,,Welll welcome to my world.......
The fact that the Catholic Pope is not a true successor by any means, The Church down through History was sold out to harlots (literally) and Pope Innocent III killed more Christians in one afternoon that all of the Ceasar's of Rome put together.
Read the Book and you will see the truth........ The documents don't lie.........
Now, There are a lot of good people that are taken in by the pope and there will be some that will see the light and accept Jesus without any strings attached including his mother. I do think the Catholic Church will become the False Prophet and ride the Beast. The Bible speaks of a city on 7 hills and this one is the only one that fits. Read the Book, look at the facts and then make a decision. If you then feel they will still serve you better, then it is after all you eternal life you are gambling with and it is your decision...... I have given you all the information I can on this subject, that will hopefully pry you away from the Catholic CHurch.
I have no doubt that Islam will fall prey to the Catholic Church simply because they are pushing the Mother Mary and will in the near future make a co-redemtrix of the Church. There are a number of Protestant churches already singing the CC praises. Be very careful which one of those you get into......
May you have a Blessed evening.
Blade