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Act 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
What is amusing to me is how people keep on quoting Paul without even realising that he kept the law, even in Christ. Now that is laughable... Right?
Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
What is amusing to me is how people keep on quoting Paul without even realising that he kept the law, even in Christ. Now that is laughable... Right?
Paul kept the law.
Paul was Jewish.
GALATIANS 2:13 And the rest of the Jews joined him in his hypocrisy; so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
GALATIANS 2:14 But when I saw that they didn’t walk uprightly according to the truth of the Good News, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live as the Gentiles do, and not as the Jews do,
why do you compel the Gentiles to live as the Jews do?
Paul was Jewish.
GALATIANS 2:13 And the rest of the Jews joined him in his hypocrisy; so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
GALATIANS 2:14 But when I saw that they didn’t walk uprightly according to the truth of the Good News, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live as the Gentiles do, and not as the Jews do,
why do you compel the Gentiles to live as the Jews do?
Why do some folks always equate being the Israel of God as being a Jew. Have any of these folks ever read all of
the Word.
We are now the people of God who have New Jerusalem as our capital city, the capital
of the Israel of God.
When we die we cross over to the Promised Land (after the resurrection of course). We cross over as
did the Hebrews crossed Jordan to the "example" Promised Land.
This makes us all Hebrews (by translation), Israel (by translation), and even Jews (by translation.)
If someone is against Jews, fine, that is that person's prob lem, but being any of those titles, and we all are all of them
, does not make us anti-Christ, it makes us part of Christ.
Until people like this have learned the difference it is probably not wise to talk about it...what they do not know
becomes blatant.
the Word.
We are now the people of God who have New Jerusalem as our capital city, the capital
of the Israel of God.
When we die we cross over to the Promised Land (after the resurrection of course). We cross over as
did the Hebrews crossed Jordan to the "example" Promised Land.
This makes us all Hebrews (by translation), Israel (by translation), and even Jews (by translation.)
If someone is against Jews, fine, that is that person's prob lem, but being any of those titles, and we all are all of them
, does not make us anti-Christ, it makes us part of Christ.
Until people like this have learned the difference it is probably not wise to talk about it...what they do not know
becomes blatant.
To some of the detractors of obedience.
Our works are only those work s given us by our Father, prayer, exercising gifts of teh Holy Spirit, loving all including our foes, and so much more, even waiting for the Lord. None of this saves us, but it does accumulate our reward in the Kingdom to come
Obedience is simply our due, the least we can attmpt to do in response to teh free gift of salvation by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross.
To behave ourselves according to our Father is our due, not something that earns anything but show respect and awe of the wonderful c Creator of all tha t is.
Whn you live the two you know the difference, when you do not, it is probably impossible
to undersand.
Our works are only those work s given us by our Father, prayer, exercising gifts of teh Holy Spirit, loving all including our foes, and so much more, even waiting for the Lord. None of this saves us, but it does accumulate our reward in the Kingdom to come
Obedience is simply our due, the least we can attmpt to do in response to teh free gift of salvation by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross.
To behave ourselves according to our Father is our due, not something that earns anything but show respect and awe of the wonderful c Creator of all tha t is.
Whn you live the two you know the difference, when you do not, it is probably impossible
to undersand.
Not that I am judging or have no sense of humor I joke around likely too much in some cases. To amuse is not to think, but I was just before hand I believe I was reminded of a verse that speaks of eating honey to represent the richness of God’s word as a way I believe of the Spirit of Christ working to improve something that could be more profitable like trying to open up more with my wife. I would think we should a pray for them being attendant to the word as I would ask them to pray for us.
Act 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Excellent portion of scripture you offered its something I have been looking at coming from a board where Catholics can try and converse with other denominations. Tens years I spent trying to learn the difference in the way that God uses fathers they changed the format and was not allowed to offer my opinion (I am a slow learner)
What God calls one the father of lies calls separate and what God calls separate the father of lies calls together turning things upside down( the god of this world mimicker)
Two kinds of laws. One as a law of men called the law of the fathers. They sought to kill what they thought was the outward competition as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood (out of sight out of mind). They could not prove that all things written in the law and the prophets as the ones who brought the laws that some call sola scriptura they would be killing their own selves by giving it as it s written an authority. Paul he worshipped the God of the fathers and not the fathers as if they were in the place of God our heavenly Father. They did not walk by the unseen eternal faith principle not mixing faith in what they did her coming from the word of God according the spirit of the law but followed after the letter. Paul I believe in a sense saying you can call it an opinion of men as a philosophy of this world but he calls it the perfect law of God after no man
Act 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Excellent portion of scripture you offered its something I have been looking at coming from a board where Catholics can try and converse with other denominations. Tens years I spent trying to learn the difference in the way that God uses fathers they changed the format and was not allowed to offer my opinion (I am a slow learner)
What God calls one the father of lies calls separate and what God calls separate the father of lies calls together turning things upside down( the god of this world mimicker)
Two kinds of laws. One as a law of men called the law of the fathers. They sought to kill what they thought was the outward competition as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood (out of sight out of mind). They could not prove that all things written in the law and the prophets as the ones who brought the laws that some call sola scriptura they would be killing their own selves by giving it as it s written an authority. Paul he worshipped the God of the fathers and not the fathers as if they were in the place of God our heavenly Father. They did not walk by the unseen eternal faith principle not mixing faith in what they did her coming from the word of God according the spirit of the law but followed after the letter. Paul I believe in a sense saying you can call it an opinion of men as a philosophy of this world but he calls it the perfect law of God after no man
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/155643-about-judaizing.html#post3197760
This has inspired my post abot, poste five minutes ago.
This has inspired my post abot, poste five minutes ago.
[h=1]Romans 8King James Version (KJV)[/h]8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Only those Baptized with the Holy Spirit by the Grace of GOD have the law inwardly... oh how Scripture is fulfilled.
The New Covenant gives us liberty to be obedient in love.
Our Abba is Amazing and True and let us glorify Him always in Spirit and Truth.
Our Lord and Saviour will lead His Sheep home.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Only those Baptized with the Holy Spirit by the Grace of GOD have the law inwardly... oh how Scripture is fulfilled.
The New Covenant gives us liberty to be obedient in love.
Our Abba is Amazing and True and let us glorify Him always in Spirit and Truth.
Our Lord and Saviour will lead His Sheep home.
I would suggest the problem lies with the word faith, as to how it is used to represent the eternal not seen in parables and not that seen the shadow of the law.
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Like many denominations that seek after a sign as that seen as the source of faith .The life of the flesh is in the blood but thre is no life in literal blood without the life of the Spirit. It returns to the lifeless spiritless dust and water as the clay God can form Christ in. We have the treasure in these earthen bodies but it is not of us if it is of God.
Men a hundred years ago accused a person of not having faith because he was given prescription glasses its the same the JWs perform as well as Catholicism to mention two I would think of that do it boldly
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
We are not to eat blood used as a metaphor used to represent the spirit not seen it was to be poured into the ground to return where it came from , just as Christ’s poured out his blood it was used to show he had given born again spirit life in jeopardy of his own Spirit as he gave up the Holy Spirit of his own volition that returned to the father who gave it.
In the parable in John 6 unless you do drink the blood of Christ it was used in respect to the spirit and not the flesh which Christ says profits for nothing. I offer in a parable of David typifying the Son of man thirsting for the living water of the gospel in the Old Testament… the well of Bethlehem which means the city of bread , which is by the gate ,the gate signifying Christ the door by which we enter fellowship.
I believe God helps to give us his understanding on what it means to drink blood. Which has nothing to do with literal blood transfusions or a piece of bread that is not what it appears to be (real blood and flesh) in order to draw a person to the flesh of others as their own source of faith (the things of men)as an oral traditions of the fathers
And David was then in an hold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem.And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate!And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the LORD.And he said, Be it far from me, O LORD, that I should do this: is not this “the blood of the men” that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men. Sa 23:14
Drinking blood is a synonym used to present one giving Spirit life in jeopardy of His own Spirit. Dying shows spirit life was given .
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Like many denominations that seek after a sign as that seen as the source of faith .The life of the flesh is in the blood but thre is no life in literal blood without the life of the Spirit. It returns to the lifeless spiritless dust and water as the clay God can form Christ in. We have the treasure in these earthen bodies but it is not of us if it is of God.
Men a hundred years ago accused a person of not having faith because he was given prescription glasses its the same the JWs perform as well as Catholicism to mention two I would think of that do it boldly
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
We are not to eat blood used as a metaphor used to represent the spirit not seen it was to be poured into the ground to return where it came from , just as Christ’s poured out his blood it was used to show he had given born again spirit life in jeopardy of his own Spirit as he gave up the Holy Spirit of his own volition that returned to the father who gave it.
In the parable in John 6 unless you do drink the blood of Christ it was used in respect to the spirit and not the flesh which Christ says profits for nothing. I offer in a parable of David typifying the Son of man thirsting for the living water of the gospel in the Old Testament… the well of Bethlehem which means the city of bread , which is by the gate ,the gate signifying Christ the door by which we enter fellowship.
I believe God helps to give us his understanding on what it means to drink blood. Which has nothing to do with literal blood transfusions or a piece of bread that is not what it appears to be (real blood and flesh) in order to draw a person to the flesh of others as their own source of faith (the things of men)as an oral traditions of the fathers
And David was then in an hold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem.And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate!And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the LORD.And he said, Be it far from me, O LORD, that I should do this: is not this “the blood of the men” that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men. Sa 23:14
Drinking blood is a synonym used to present one giving Spirit life in jeopardy of His own Spirit. Dying shows spirit life was given .
Jesus is the Bread of Life........ He said this, Himself.
He was born in the House of Bread and He, indeed is the Gate prophesied to Abraham,
the Gate of the enemies of the faith who cross over and believe, they enter by It.
Blood is the life. I believe true communion, or "diong this in memory of Me" is lving as
best we are given to be able like Christ.
The Bread is His Body, and we live by eating that Bread for the Bread is the Word.
Man does not live on bread alone but by every Word that prceeds from His Mouth.
I realize this is simplifying, and perhaps too much, but I believe this is drinking His Blood
and eating His Flesh. Just as we do not go to church, we are the church, and so on.
God bless you and hold you close always..........j
He was born in the House of Bread and He, indeed is the Gate prophesied to Abraham,
the Gate of the enemies of the faith who cross over and believe, they enter by It.
Blood is the life. I believe true communion, or "diong this in memory of Me" is lving as
best we are given to be able like Christ.
The Bread is His Body, and we live by eating that Bread for the Bread is the Word.
Man does not live on bread alone but by every Word that prceeds from His Mouth.
I realize this is simplifying, and perhaps too much, but I believe this is drinking His Blood
and eating His Flesh. Just as we do not go to church, we are the church, and so on.
God bless you and hold you close always..........j
If we read the book of faith (Hebrews 11) I don't see any people mentioned from the new testament. Maybe the relationship between Torah and grace is more in faith. If we say to God, "Lord in faith I will keep your Torah as the Spirit guide me" because we want to be obedient we might see something powerful in our lives 
Just like grace is not a New Testament concept, faith is not only a new Testament concept. God does not change. In this phrase is the key to our understanding of this complex Being.
God bless brother Garee
Just like grace is not a New Testament concept, faith is not only a new Testament concept. God does not change. In this phrase is the key to our understanding of this complex Being.
God bless brother Garee
So brother Dan, I take it that you don't read the teachings of Paul (a Jew)? Paul was from the tribe of Benjamin. Do you understand why this qualify him to be Jewish?
If we look at God's disciples you are fortunate that very little of them were Jewish. You have to ignore Thomas though, he was a Jew.
If we have to ignore the Jews we can also not follow Jesus because He was a Jew and also kept the law. What excuse do we have to be able to do follow Him then?
I have no desire to be a Jew. I am a Boer. I do have a desire to be obedient to God's word and build a strong relationship with Him.
We know that in God we are all equal, Jew or Gentile. He loves us all equally. We as Christians do not have to have an inferiority complex. We are not second best in God's eyes.
God bless brother Dan
If we look at God's disciples you are fortunate that very little of them were Jewish. You have to ignore Thomas though, he was a Jew.
If we have to ignore the Jews we can also not follow Jesus because He was a Jew and also kept the law. What excuse do we have to be able to do follow Him then?
I have no desire to be a Jew. I am a Boer. I do have a desire to be obedient to God's word and build a strong relationship with Him.
We know that in God we are all equal, Jew or Gentile. He loves us all equally. We as Christians do not have to have an inferiority complex. We are not second best in God's eyes.
God bless brother Dan
