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FranC

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UnderGrace said:
Coming to the same conclusion.... oops is this gossiping... why doesn't this program have "cc"
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You see UG.

You don't undersand God very well.

First of all , Yes, this is gossipping.

You and Dcon are saying, ABOUT ME BUT SANS ME, that I'm taking the train to hell.

Second of all, if this program did have cc, GOD WOULD STILL KNOW WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

It doesn't even matter if I know it or not, it matters what you do to GOD.

Capisci? As has been said to me. (except it's Always spelled wrong)


Oh. and BTW... it's not "cc" it's "bcc".
 
dcontroversal

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FranC said:
You see UG.

You don't undersand God very well.

First of all , Yes, this is gossipping.

You and Dcon are saying, ABOUT ME BUT SANS ME, that I'm taking the train to hell.

Second of all, if this program did have cc, GOD WOULD STILL KNOW WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

It doesn't even matter if I know it or not, it matters what you do to GOD.

Capisci? As has been said to me. (except it's Always spelled wrong)


Oh. and BTW... it's not "cc" it's "bcc".
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Ummmm I did not say the train to hell.....if you are going to quote me...be honest....I said the train to the great white throne....

Is it a lie when you say I said something I did not say?

MY quote....do you see the word hell in my quote?

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It does no good to engage you.....you will ride the train of legalism and works right to the great white throne......
 
FranC

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UnderGrace said:
Sad train to be on :(

When it could be this....

I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.:)
Jn 10:10
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What does that mean?

WHY is life more abundant?

WHAT has changed after Jesus' coming??
 
dcontroversal

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FranC said:
What does that mean?

WHY is life more abundant?

WHAT has changed after Jesus' coming??
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No condemnation for those who have been born again by faith........ JOHN 3:36 since I never quote scripture
 
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dcontroversal said:
Ummmm I did not say the train to hell.....if you are going to quote me...be honest....I said the train to the great white throne....

Is it a lie when you say I said something I did not say?
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When you say I'm on the train to the Great White Throne

and you claim to know scripture...
And so I have to assume you actually KNOW what the Great White Throne Judgement is...

How can I assume otherwise?

Why didn't you say I was on my way to the Judgement Seat of Christ???

So, I believe I did quote you correctly.

And in any case, NOTHING like this should ever be said to another Christian person.

Who are YOU to decide WHAT train I'm on.

Maybe I'm on the train that's picking up passengers from coast to coast??
 
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BTW

I told a monk that I know pretty well about Joe Satriani.
He used to be a guitarist. He'll give him a listen.

P.S. I like him a lot.
(the guitarist!)
 
dcontroversal

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FranC said:
When you say I'm on the train to the Great White Throne

and you claim to know scripture...
And so I have to assume you actually KNOW what the Great White Throne Judgement is...

How can I assume otherwise?

Why didn't you say I was on my way to the Judgement Seat of Christ???

So, I believe I did quote you correctly.

And in any case, NOTHING like this should ever be said to another Christian person.

Who are YOU to decide WHAT train I'm on.

Maybe I'm on the train that's picking up passengers from coast to coast??
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Why is it that you can dish it out Fran and when anyone gives you grief back you seem to be easily offended....I do not believe the bible teaches a works based salvation that can be lost or gained by what we do other than trusting JESUS and being saved eternally....YOU have said yourself and accused me of a do nothing faith and equated my belief to that of a lost man even though you have no clue concerning what I do or do not do........so.....you call y belief fluff balls, you say I NEVER quote scripture when I DO quite regularly as well as reference scriptures or make partial quotes etc......

If you are so secure in your faith...nothing I SAY should affect you so.....just saying
 
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Oh Fran, you are no fun sometimes:(, but sometimes you are..:)

I see no point in expounding theology or posting scripture for the rest of hour at least, cause we are at a stand still.

I like Capisci better ...since I do speak the language, but for the sake of the Americans I did the other.

FranC said:
You see UG.

You don't undersand God very well.

First of all , Yes, this is gossipping.

You and Dcon are saying, ABOUT ME BUT SANS ME, that I'm taking the train to hell.

Second of all, if this program did have cc, GOD WOULD STILL KNOW WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

It doesn't even matter if I know it or not, it matters what you do to GOD.

Capisci? As has been said to me. (except it's Always spelled wrong)


Oh. and BTW... it's not "cc" it's "bcc".
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stonesoffire

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FranC said:
Fluffy words.

Prove it.
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Bill posted a portion and am going to add a bit.


Rom 10:5　 For Moses writes about the righteousness that comes from the Law as follows: "The person who obeys these things will find life by them."　


Rom 10:6　 But the righteousness that comes from faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will go up to heaven?' (that is, to bring the Messiah down),　


Rom 10:7　 or 'Who will go down into the depths?' (that is, to bring the Messiah back from the dead)."
　
Rom 10:8　 But what does it say? "The message is near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart." This is the message about faith that we are proclaiming:
　
Rom 10:9　 If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
　
Rom 10:10　 For one believes with his heart and is justified, and declares with his mouth and is saved.　


Rom 10:11　 The Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will never be ashamed."
　
Rom 10:12　 There is no difference between Jew and Greek, because they all have the same Lord, who gives richly to all who call on him.
　
Rom 10:13　 "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."　

The whosoevers.


 
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dcontroversal said:
AMEN....there are about three or four that I just about will no longer engage...........tragically a waste of time.....
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First time I think I've disagreed Dcon. No one is a lost cause.

There's a reason why Fran believes what she believes. Let the Word lead you to it.
 
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dcontroversal said:
No condemnation for those who have been born again by faith........ JOHN 3:36 since I never quote scripture
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See how important scripture is...

John 3:36 New International Version (NIV)

36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

The above is very true. Of course, Jesus said it.
Whoever believes in the Son WILL HAVE eternal life.

Good. But we were discussing what it means to have an abundant life.
The above is for what comes after... it's a pronouncement of what happens both to the saved and unsaved.
You might have a different idea on this. It does make us happy to be going to heaven.

But my scripture would be:



John 10:10 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and [a]have it abundantly.

John spoke about Jesus being the Life more than the other gospel Writers.
John says that Jesus is the Life and the Light.
Jesus is the light from which come spiritual understanding. We can get in touch with our spritual selves by believing in Jesus our great Master and teacher and Lord.

Satan only comes to destroy. Jesus comes to save --- that which was lost.
We were lost because we were in satan's grip,
THIS is one of the reasons Jesus died for us, to FREE US and to make us free indeed, from this nature of sin that powered us before salvation.

So now Jesus promises a Life after but also a life now,,,a Zoe life. The life received from God. A better life right here, better than we could have ever thought before we came to know God.

Abundant...more than what we need.
To follow Jesus is to have peace and to enjoy life to the full, appreciating every moment and being thankful for being out of the dark.

Comments?
 
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stonesoffire said:
First time I think I've disagreed Dcon. No one is a lost cause.

There's a reason why Fran believes what she believes. Let the Word lead you to it.
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I did not say a LOST CAUSE......and

Can I ask you a question....After a period of time where one is not receptive to the truth what does Jesus expect us to do?
 
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stonesoffire said:
Bill posted a portion and am going to add a bit.


Rom 10:5　 For Moses writes about the righteousness that comes from the Law as follows: "The person who obeys these things will find life by them."　


Rom 10:6　 But the righteousness that comes from faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will go up to heaven?' (that is, to bring the Messiah down),　


Rom 10:7　 or 'Who will go down into the depths?' (that is, to bring the Messiah back from the dead)."
　
Rom 10:8　 But what does it say? "The message is near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart." This is the message about faith that we are proclaiming:
　
Rom 10:9　 If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
　
Rom 10:10　 For one believes with his heart and is justified, and declares with his mouth and is saved.　


Rom 10:11　 The Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will never be ashamed."
　
Rom 10:12　 There is no difference between Jew and Greek, because they all have the same Lord, who gives richly to all who call on him.
　
Rom 10:13　 "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."　

The whosoevers.


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Stone to the rescue... !

But Bill knows I don't disagree with him...
 
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