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You are absolutely correct in this particular instance. Yeshua was the proper Hebrew name of Jesus of Nazareth. So this is definitely not Judaizing. And it is only when we understand that Jesus is actually derived from two Hebrew words YAH + SHUA (God is [our] salvation) that we understand that Jesus is Himself our salvation.

Getting back to Judaizing, it goes back to the time when the Pharisees became a dominant sect within Judah, and began to teach that they could establish their own righteousness by observing the Law. But inwardly they were not really converted. After the resurrection of Christ, many Pharisees were converted, but could not give up the notion that salvation is by grace + the works of the Law (including circumcision). And this is why Paul had to preach against the Judaizers. Today's Judaism simply rejects Jesus the Messiah (Yeshua ha Mashiach) and tries to follow Moses. And then we have the Messsianic Jews who want to follow both Moses and Christ. But Paul (and the New Testament) make it crystal clear that it is either Moses or Christ, not both.
Slight correction with a little history and meaning to the name: In Numbers 20, God gave Moses the power to command a rock to provide water to the Israelites. Moses subsequently forgot who gave him his power and gave himself the glory. Therefore Moses was not allowed into the Promised Land as punishment. Moses then changed Hosea’s name to Joshua (Hebrew- Yehoshua; Yeho from YHWH) as recorded in Numbers 13:16. It means God delivers or is the (only) savior and to remind everyone that Jehovah God has the power to save and no one else. Now Joshua was the leader of the Israelites into the Promised Land. He was God’s man to deliver then into the 'place of rest.'

Now Yeshua is the contracted word for Yehoshua. And this Yeshua means Jesus (Iesous) God Saves in the NT.

Yeshua was the leader of the Israelites in the Promised Land as was Jesus the leader of his people in the Kingdom of God. So Yeshua in the Promised Land is the shadow of Jesus in the Kingdom of God.

Joshua was the shadow of Jesus....
 
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The term Judaizer refers primarily to the book of Galatians!
The book of Acts also has plenty of references to the problem, including the account of the council of Jerusalem, which dealt with the Judaizing heresy.
It has nothing, nothing to do with different schools of thought within Judaism!

To be a Judaizer very simply means to be one who calls for a return to the practice of the law or, as in the case of Gentile believers, accepting the law as binding on them, which included circumcision (as laid out from Exodus to Deuteronomy) after accepting and believing in Jesus Christ.

Those who are less familiar with the terminology, the reference to circumcision found in Galatians and Acts, is used as a catch-all to refer to the law as a whole. (Circumcision was also important because the law, as given to Moses was a covenant between Israel and God, and obviously, one could not be party to this covenant unless one was circumcised first according to covenant God made with Abraham.)

In covenant terms, one cannot be under the New Covenant (mediated by Jesus Christ) and be party to the Covenant of Moses simultaneously.
Only one covenant can apply!
This is a plain and simple answer with not complications..I like it very much...
 
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I have been reading some verses regarding the law and lets agree that certain things are difficult to understand but then there are the things we can all agree on:

1 Exodus 20:2 -To believe in God. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
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Deuteronomy 6:4 - To acknowledge the Unity of God. Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
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Deuteronomy 6:5 - To love God. And thou shalt love the Lord thy Godwith all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
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Deuteronomy 6:13 - To fear God. Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
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Exodus 23:25; Deuteronomy 11:13; 13:4 - To serve God. And ye shall serve the Lord your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and Iwill take sickness away from the midst of thee.
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Deuteronomy 10:20 - To cleave to God. Thou shalt fear the Lord thyGod; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.
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Deuteronomy 10:20 - On taking an oath by God's Name. Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.
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Deuteronomy 28:9 - On walking in God's ways. The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways.
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Leviticus 22:32 - On Sanctifying God's Name. Neither shall ye profane my holy name; but I will be hallowed among the children of Israel: I am the Lord which hallow you,

Matt posted them about a year ago :) . When I have time I will Judahize ;) some more and share God's word with my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
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My good friend Grace always post pictures of a dating couple. I love animals so I will post this :)

 
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I have been reading some verses regarding the law again and lets agree that certain things in the law is difficult to understand but then there are the things we can all agree on:
Amen

I would offer the whole Bible is the perfect law of God. Some would divide the law of faith from the letter of the law. The beginning of His perfect law is.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth .......(as a work of faith/beleif of God, our faithful Creator ,)

No theories as a philosophical heresies (opinion) of men or called a private interpretations

It becomes not so much difficult as I would believe, but it becomes more of a “hard saying” as in; “who can hear” unless they are given the hearing of Christ faith?.

The disciples below were offended by the gospel. They walked away in unbelief (no faith) and came back latter to kill the Son of man.

Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an “hard saying”; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? Joh 6:60

The answer was they walked away.(no faith) We must be careful on how we hear God and not the voice of the fathers. It is by Christ’s work of faith as a labor of his love that affords His grace which he freely gives us with no work on our behalf

4642 skleros {sklay-ros'}
from the base of 4628; TDNT - 5:1028,816; adj
AV - hard 5, fierce 1 - 6
1) hard, harsh, rough, stiff 1a) of men: metaph. harsh, stern, hard 1b) of things: violent, rough, offensive, intolerable
 
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The term Judaizer refers primarily to the book of Galatians!
The book of Acts also has plenty of references to the problem, including the account of the council of Jerusalem, which dealt with the Judaizing heresy.
It has nothing, nothing to do with different schools of thought within Judaism!

To be a Judaizer very simply means to be one who calls for a return to the practice of the law or, as in the case of Gentile believers, accepting the law as binding on them, which included circumcision (as laid out from Exodus to Deuteronomy) after accepting and believing in Jesus Christ.

Those who are less familiar with the terminology, the reference to circumcision found in Galatians and Acts, is used as a catch-all to refer to the law as a whole. (Circumcision was also important because the law, as given to Moses was a covenant between Israel and God, and obviously, one could not be party to this covenant unless one was circumcised first according to covenant God made with Abraham.)

In covenant terms, one cannot be under the New Covenant (mediated by Jesus Christ) and be party to the Covenant of Moses simultaneously.
Only one covenant can apply!

Amen. Well said.
 
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Is is it good work to Keep the Commandments of God?

Yes it one of those things a person should not leave earth without.

The key I would think would be a proper understanding as to the useage of the word keep .My two cents

If I could I would like this time to use the word Bible, the German word in place of our English word Book to try and make a point

From my experiences the word keep as to how it is defined in respect to the Bible of God it must be searched out if we are to hear God aright when rightfully dividing his "Bible of the law", described as the "Bible of prophecy" in Revelation 22. The Bible is its own dictionary in that way. Christians in order to seek the approval of God are lovenly commanded to rightly divide the book of the law the Bible and not add to it or subtract from it, seeing it can diminish or add to it another meaning

We as new creatures are given a new spirit which could never die, we can keep the law by guarding it closely watching it with all our heart, soul and mind. Christ is the only eternal Spirit that could keep them without stumbling. To violate the least is to be found guilty of violating the whole law of God, therefore doing despite to the Spirit of grace.

Strongs lexicon...5442 phulasso {foo-las'-so}
probably from 5443 through the idea of isolation; TDNT - 9:236,1280; v

AV - keep23, observe 2, beware 2, keep (one's) self 1, save 1, be ... ware 1; 30

1) to guard 1a) to watch, keep watch 1b) to guard or watch, have an eye upon: lest he escape 1c) to guard a person (or thing) that he may remain safe 1c1) lest he suffer violence, be despoiled, etc. to protect 1c2) to protect one from a person or thing 1c3) to keep from being snatched away, preserve safe and unimpaired 1c4) to guard from being lost or perishing 1c5) to guard one's self from a thing 1d) to guard i.e. care for, take care not to violate 1d1) to observe 2) to observe for one's self something to escape 2a) to avoid, shun flee from 2b) to guard for one's self (i.e. for one's safety's sake) so as not to violate, i.e. to keep, observe (the precepts of the Mosaic law)


An example. I was drafter in 1968 and eventually sent to Korea for 15 months in a artillery unit that employed 8” self propelled howitzers. While there one of the responsibilities was to keep guard with a standard as a law on a four hour watch, guarding a certain ammunition bunker that no one was allowed to enter.. We were located close enough to the dmz to be able to launch the 8’’ projectiles and hit certain strategic places along the dmz . Some say they were nuclear rounds that were reserved in case of war. We took it by faith. We guarded that by a living faith, in a living hope that kind of weapon (unseen) would guard us keep us from harm.

I believe it’s that kind of keeping, watching, the guarding of our own hearts… that we can do. We walk by the faith that does come from hearing another. His work was sufficient to fulfill His promise and provide the peace of God that surpasses all understanding.

I think the parable below reflects the idea that we are the a watchers. In Hebrew we are informed that all the saints died not receiving the promise.

Jer 51:12 Set up the standard upon the walls of Babylon, make the watch strong, set up the watchmen, prepare the ambushes: for the LORD hath both devised and done that which he spake against the inhabitants of Babylon.
 

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Yes it one of those things a person should not leave earth without.

The key I would think would be a proper understanding as to the useage of the word keep .My two cents

If I could I would like this time to use the word Bible, the German word in place of our English word Book to try and make a point

From my experiences the word keep as to how it is defined in respect to the Bible of God it must be searched out if we are to hear God aright when rightfully dividing his "Bible of the law", described as the "Bible of prophecy" in Revelation 22. The Bible is its own dictionary in that way. Christians in order to seek the approval of God are lovenly commanded to rightly divide the book of the law the Bible and not add to it or subtract from it, seeing it can diminish or add to it another meaning

We as new creatures are given a new spirit which could never die, we can keep the law by guarding it closely watching it with all our heart, soul and mind. Christ is the only eternal Spirit that could keep them without stumbling. To violate the least is to be found guilty of violating the whole law of God, therefore doing despite to the Spirit of grace.

Strongs lexicon...5442 phulasso {foo-las'-so}
probably from 5443 through the idea of isolation; TDNT - 9:236,1280; v

AV - keep23, observe 2, beware 2, keep (one's) self 1, save 1, be ... ware 1; 30

1) to guard 1a) to watch, keep watch 1b) to guard or watch, have an eye upon: lest he escape 1c) to guard a person (or thing) that he may remain safe 1c1) lest he suffer violence, be despoiled, etc. to protect 1c2) to protect one from a person or thing 1c3) to keep from being snatched away, preserve safe and unimpaired 1c4) to guard from being lost or perishing 1c5) to guard one's self from a thing 1d) to guard i.e. care for, take care not to violate 1d1) to observe 2) to observe for one's self something to escape 2a) to avoid, shun flee from 2b) to guard for one's self (i.e. for one's safety's sake) so as not to violate, i.e. to keep, observe (the precepts of the Mosaic law)


An example. I was drafter in 1968 and eventually sent to Korea for 15 months in a artillery unit that employed 8” self propelled howitzers. While there one of the responsibilities was to keep guard with a standard as a law on a four hour watch, guarding a certain ammunition bunker that no one was allowed to enter.. We were located close enough to the dmz to be able to launch the 8’’ projectiles and hit certain strategic places along the dmz . Some say they were nuclear rounds that were reserved in case of war. We took it by faith. We guarded that by a living faith, in a living hope that kind of weapon (unseen) would guard us keep us from harm.

I believe it’s that kind of keeping, watching, the guarding of our own hearts… that we can do. We walk by the faith that does come from hearing another. His work was sufficient to fulfill His promise and provide the peace of God that surpasses all understanding.

I think the parable below reflects the idea that we are the a watchers. In Hebrew we are informed that all the saints died not receiving the promise.

Jer 51:12 Set up the standard upon the walls of Babylon, make the watch strong, set up the watchmen, prepare the ambushes: for the LORD hath both devised and done that which he spake against the inhabitants of Babylon.

Where do you get these ideas?


The saints Keep the Commandments of God and have the Testimony of the Messiah.

The dragon makes war with the saints.. I wonder why..
 
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am I counted Faithless by men for believing what my Lord taught?

What is is my fault? That I run not with doctrines of men? Many of you liken yourself to theology of one man or the other and because I do not but rely on the Holy Spirit I am evil in your sight?
I do not think you are evil. Nothing of itself is evil other than the evil one. I think your private interpretation is different than mine, but we all have our own fingerprints. I am no teacher just sharing my private interpretation, it God who does make us differ from one another. I think if you are having the faith of Christ as the work that comes from hearing God that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as if it came from you and not Him our opinion would differ. If we would take the gift of our imputed righteousness of Christ that we are clothed as if it was our clothing in the end it would appear a person is blaspheming the name we are called by. And not loving our neighbor a sinner, as us

The Holy Spirit gives us an interesting parable using the 2 Cor 4:18 prescription…. that seen to represent that not seen the, faith principle. I would offer the clothing used their represents Christ’s righteousness. Christians will not be found with one of their own .

My brethren, have not the "faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory", with respect of persons.For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: Jam 2:1
 
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Where do you get these ideas?


The saints Keep the Commandments of God and have the Testimony of the Messiah.

The dragon makes war with the saints.. I wonder why..
Yes they do keep by guarding them with all their new heart new soul and mind.

Are you seeing dragons? As that what you a wathching for?
 

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I do not think you are evil. Nothing of itself is evil other than the evil one. I think your private interpretation is different than mine, but we all have our own fingerprints. I am no teacher just sharing my private interpretation, it God who does make us differ from one another. I think if you are having the faith of Christ as the work that comes from hearing God that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as if it came from you and not Him our opinion would differ. If we would take the gift of our imputed righteousness of Christ that we are clothed as if it was our clothing in the end it would appear a person is blaspheming the name we are called by. And not loving our neighbor a sinner, as us

The Holy Spirit gives us an interesting parable using the 2 Cor 4:18 prescription…. that seen to represent that not seen the, faith principle. I would offer the clothing used their represents Christ’s righteousness. Christians will not be found with one of their own .

My brethren, have not the "faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory", with respect of persons.For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: Jam 2:1


What is the gift of imputed righteousness?
 

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Yes they do keep by guarding them with all their new heart new soul and mind.

Are you seeing dragons? As that what you a wathching for?
They guard them? They hear but no do you mean?

i do not fear dragons my dear....
 

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There was a flock of sheep that seeked a Good Shepherd.

The Good Shepherd told the sheep to be perfect and righteous.. some sheep said I can not be perfect or righteous so followed not the Good Shepherd.

The other sheep believed the Good Shepherd and followed Him..

When they arrived at the green pasture the Good Shepherd let them in through the gate to which only he can allow access on account they believed Him.
 
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And then there were the sheep that believed that He has become our righteousness because He was perfect and they live by the faith of the Son of God and in what He has done for them. His life in and through us then manifests "deeds of His righteousness".
 

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Tje Gppd Sje`jerd jad twp fñpcls- Je jad Jos progomañ fñpcl. Osraeñ. amd He said He was bringing that other flock, us, to be put with His original flock, making the two one.

His sheep that hear His Voice are some from each, and do not lose sight of this.

Of course we know His voice, this is whay we hear Him, and not a bunch of misconstrued cutting and pasting by some who would be intellectual or scholars of teh Word. Those who understand are not deetroyed by what is falsely called knowledge, they hear by the Holy Spirit.

It is teh descendants of Abraham who possessed the Gate of their enemies. We entered the Gate, JesusChrist, alo, who is waiting inside, Israel, and we become part of Israel.
 
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They guard them? They hear but no do you mean?

i do not fear dragons my dear....
Of course Christians hear as the spirit gives them ears , they are watching. Its what watchers do they keep a matter by watching over it. Guard your heart it the wellspring of new life.


Proverbs 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

Are you watching for literal dragons, I hope not?

Every believers dies it the same way.... watching.... keeping the word as the light on our path not receiving the propmise. Are you understanding ,walking by faith in respect to that of Christ or after the imagnations of your own fleshly mind

Heb 11:39 And these all, having had witness borne to them through their faith, received not the promise,

Jeremiah was tried by it to make sure God's word was clear.In that parable he uses a rod of a almond tree, the rod reresenting the law of God and the almonds speaks of its use in respect to rebellion . The Lord gave it his approval

Moreover the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, Jeremiah, what seest thou? And I said, I see a rod of an almond-tree. Then said Jehovah unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I watch over my word to perform it. Jer 1:11

By watching his word he keeps it pure .
 
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Tje Gppd Sje`jerd jad twp fñpcls- Je jad Jos progomañ fñpcl. Osraeñ. amd He said He was bringing that other flock, us, to be put with His original flock, making the two one.

His sheep that hear His Voice are some from each, and do not lose sight of this.

Of course we know His voice, this is whay we hear Him, and not a bunch of misconstrued cutting and pasting by some who would be intellectual or scholars of teh Word. Those who understand are not deetroyed by what is falsely called knowledge, they hear by the Holy Spirit.

It is teh descendants of Abraham who possessed the Gate of their enemies. We entered the Gate, JesusChrist, alo, who is waiting inside, Israel, and we become part of Israel.
By having as it ( Christ's faith) in respect to Abraham as seems you must you would be assuming to have faith of Christ that comes from hearng God in respect to sinful Abraham this simply show some one is blaspheming the holy name by which he calls his people towards Himself.

The rightousness is imputed .Remember it is the Spirit of Christ (not the spirit of dead Abraham ) that works in us to both will and perfom His good pleasure . If we would follow the voice of doing the good pleasure of another's will we would re-experience, the fall in the garden over and over subjecting him to public shame as those who do despite to the Spirit of Grace.
 
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