Not By Works

[Stunnedbygrace]

We live by faith - stop believing in the promises of God in any area of truth and we will not experience the things that are ours in Christ while we are in this earthen vessel.

For example - we have the peace of Christ in us because we are in the kingdom.

If we choose to worry about things then His peace will not manifest because we are believing in the natural things over what God has said that He would meet all of our needs - according to His riches in Christ Jesus. Everything is in Christ.

God doesn't necessarily give us "things" - He gives us Christ Himself and in Him are already all things we need for life and godliness.

Does God throw us into hell now because we don't experience His peace which is ours in Christ for those that believe His promises? Of course not. It's a bunch of religious nonsense from the enemy that has darkened our minds so that the light of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's work will be nullified in our lives.

To my mind, your 1st paragraph has just removed abiding and has made abiding optional. Abiding is not optional. Remaining in trust is not optional. Can you trust that you will live forever but not trust Him in any other area and claim you are in the faith?

I think your doctrine is being protected at the expense of abiding. I don't think you personally do this. I think it is where your construct leads though.

I think you automatically assume that if remaining and growing in trust (from faith to faith) is necessary, then it means one is constantly being threatened with hell at every failure to trust, but God can be trusted and He is very merciful and He will always do what is right concerning us!

 

[stonesoffire]

When exactly were you going to tell us you copy/pasted this straight off the internet? This makes twice you posted it without a single reference to the author.

? It's all scripture Stephen

 

[willybob]

the new covenant has conditions. God makes those conditions not man...If those conditions are broken the covenant is broken, and is dissolved..same as a marriage covenant there are conditions...One would not think of telling their spouse that they still keep an affair on the side, and expect her to accept that...Why do they think God would put up with such nonsense? (bible 101 of common sense).............Oh that's right, God gave OT Israel in the flesh a bill of divorcement for doing that...He is not the fool that some perceive HIM to be..............be blessed

 

[Grace777x70]

People are called heretics. False doctrines are called heresies.


My point is if we would talk of heresies instead of wasting time labeling people as heretics, we might actually discuss the Bible instead of make ad hominem attacks.


There is ONE GOSPEL that is true and we should all seek to learn and understand what God tells us via the Bible as revealed by the Holy spirit.

I agree but the labels others use to attack them can muddy the waters of the true gospel.

There is no such thing as easy believism or hyper grace per se in the derogatory way it is used to malign the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The gospel message is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and we are saved by grace through faith in Christ's work alone and those that receive the "abundance of grace" and the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the Lord Jesus Christ. Rom. 5:17

 

[Sully]

the new covenant has conditions. God makes those conditions not man...If those conditions are broken the covenant is broken, and is dissolved..same as a marriage covenant there are conditions...One would not think of telling their spouse that they still keep an affair on the side, and expect her to accept that...Why do they think God would put up with such nonsense? (bible 101 of common sense).............Oh that's right, God gave OT Israel in the flesh a bill of divorcement for doing that...He is not the fool that some perceive HIM to be..............be blessed

Let's see 'em, all those conditions. Give some cool examples too. This is very important regarding it changes everything in canon. Use some graphs and pie charts, don't leave anything out because remember this will be the New New Testament, that replaces the old New Testament.

 

[Desertsrose]

I agree but the labels others use to attack them can muddy the waters of the true gospel.

There is no such thing as easy believism or hyper grace per se in the derogatory way it is used to malign the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The gospel message is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and we are saved by grace through faith in Christ's work alone and those that receive the "abundance of grace" and the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the Lord Jesus Christ. Rom. 5:17

From got questions dot org.

The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist. In short, hyper-grace teachers “pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality” (Jude 1:4) and flirt with antinomianism.

Jesus’ words to the seven churches in the book of Revelation strongly contradict the idea that Christians never need to repent. To the church at Ephesus, Jesus said, “Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place” (Revelation 2:4). Jesus rebukes five of the seven churches and demands repentance from them (Revelation 2:4, 6, 20; 3:3, 15–19). Far from believers being unaccountable for their sin, they must answer to Jesus for their disobedience (see also 2 Corinthians 5:10).

Preachers of hyper-grace doctrine discount the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments as irrelevant to New Testament believers. They even teach that Jesus’ words spoken before His resurrection are part of the Old Covenant and no longer applicable to born-again believers. But is this true?

In Mark 13:31, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” Before Jesus ascended into heaven, He promised that the Father would send the Holy Spirit who “will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you” (John 14:26). If Jesus’ words are no longer applicable to believers, why would we need to be reminded of them?

Hyper-grace teaching is a good example of mixing truth with error. An emphasis on the beauty and power of God’s grace is good, but some teachers are neglecting what Paul called the “whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27). For example, it is true that Christians have been forgiven by God. But that doesn’t mean we never have to confess our sin. James 5:16 says, “Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” If we are to confess our sins to each other, why would we not need to confess them to God, since every sin is ultimately a sin against God (Psalm 51:4)?

Also, 1 John 1:9 gives clear instruction to believers about confessing sin. It begins with the word if: “If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” This is a cause/effect statement implying that we cannot have the second without the first. As blood-bought children of God, we do not continue to confess our sin in order to be saved from hell. We confess and repent in order to reestablish an intimate relationship with our Father. We are “positionally righteous” but “practically sinful.”

To counter this argument, hyper-grace preachers deny that John’s letters were written to believers. However, 1 John 2:1 begins with this: “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” John is clearly writing to believers whom he personally knew. He indicates that his believing friends may indeed sin, and that, when they do, they need to confess it.

Hyper-grace preachers also claim the Holy Spirit will never convict Christians of their sin. Mature Christians should recognize this fallacy right away. Every disciple of Christ has felt the overwhelming conviction of the Holy Spirit when he or she has sinned. Jesus calls the Holy Spirit “the Spirit of Truth” (John 15:26). Truth, by its very definition, will not tolerate anything false. When the Spirit of Truth abides in a believing heart (1 Corinthians 6:19), He brings conviction about anything that is not truth.

In summary, much of what the hyper-grace preachers teach is valid. We are indeed saved by grace, not our works (Ephesians 2:8–9). And God’s grace is marvelous, great, and free (1 Timothy 1:14). However, hyper-grace teaching is out of proportion to the rest of Scripture. Any time one doctrine is emphasized to the exclusion of the rest, we fall into error because we fail to “correctly handle” the Word (2 Timothy 2:15).

Jesus was full of both “grace and truth” (John 1:14). The two are in delicate balance, and a tip to either side can result in a false gospel. We must always compare any new teaching with the “whole counsel of God” and learn to disregard anything that veers even slightly from the truth (1 John 4:1).

 

[Grace777x70]

And that's why God said that He will make a New Covenant - NOT LIKE the one He made to the Jews in Mt. Sinai.

Hebrews 8:7-13 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] For finding fault with them, He says, "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] "FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND I WILL WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.


[SUP]11 [/SUP] "AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN, AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,'FOR ALL WILL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.

[SUP]12 [/SUP] "FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE."

[SUP]13 [/SUP] When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

When this letter to the "Hebrews" was written - the temple was still standing but not for long because in 70 AD - the whole Mosaic system crashed with the destruction of Jerusalem.

 

[Ariel82]

To my mind, your 1st paragraph has just removed abiding and has made abiding optional. Abiding is not optional. Remaining in trust is not optional. Can you trust that you will live forever but not trust Him in any other area and claim you are in the faith?

I think your doctrine is being protected at the expense of abiding. I don't think you personally do this. I think it is where your construct leads though.

I think you automatically assume that if remaining and growing in trust (from faith to faith) is necessary, then it means one is constantly being threatened with hell at every failure to trust, but God can be trusted and He is very merciful and He will always do what is right concerning us!

What kind of salvation do you have if you don't trust and abide in Christ?

Reminds me of some sermons I have heard about how the only thing we have to look forward to is Heaven. Makes me ask,what about being content,joyful and thanking God for the blessings He has already given us? What of walking with the Holy spirit now?

Salvation is so much more than not being tossed in hell or being allowed into heaven. It is having a loving relationship with our Heavenly father NOW.

Today, do not harden your heart but accept the Gospel and live the life God created you to live.

The Gospel is about TODAY. Not yesterday sins which or forgiven or tomorrow that may never come...enough is the evil of today to face and overcome.

 

[Stephen63]

forgive her Lord. She knoweth not what she speaketh about...eth.

In this instance she definitely does.

 

[Grace777x70]

From got questions dot org.

The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist. In short, hyper-grace teachers “pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality” (Jude 1:4) and flirt with antinomianism.

Jesus’ words to the seven churches in the book of Revelation strongly contradict the idea that Christians never need to repent. To the church at Ephesus, Jesus said, “Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place” (Revelation 2:4). Jesus rebukes five of the seven churches and demands repentance from them (Revelation 2:4, 6, 20; 3:3, 15–19). Far from believers being unaccountable for their sin, they must answer to Jesus for their disobedience (see also 2 Corinthians 5:10).

Preachers of hyper-grace doctrine discount the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments as irrelevant to New Testament believers. They even teach that Jesus’ words spoken before His resurrection are part of the Old Covenant and no longer applicable to born-again believers. But is this true?

In Mark 13:31, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” Before Jesus ascended into heaven, He promised that the Father would send the Holy Spirit who “will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you” (John 14:26). If Jesus’ words are no longer applicable to believers, why would we need to be reminded of them?

Hyper-grace teaching is a good example of mixing truth with error. An emphasis on the beauty and power of God’s grace is good, but some teachers are neglecting what Paul called the “whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27). For example, it is true that Christians have been forgiven by God. But that doesn’t mean we never have to confess our sin. James 5:16 says, “Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” If we are to confess our sins to each other, why would we not need to confess them to God, since every sin is ultimately a sin against God (Psalm 51:4)?

Also, 1 John 1:9 gives clear instruction to believers about confessing sin. It begins with the word if: “If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” This is a cause/effect statement implying that we cannot have the second without the first. As blood-bought children of God, we do not continue to confess our sin in order to be saved from hell. We confess and repent in order to reestablish an intimate relationship with our Father. We are “positionally righteous” but “practically sinful.”

To counter this argument, hyper-grace preachers deny that John’s letters were written to believers. However, 1 John 2:1 begins with this: “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” John is clearly writing to believers whom he personally knew. He indicates that his believing friends may indeed sin, and that, when they do, they need to confess it.

Hyper-grace preachers also claim the Holy Spirit will never convict Christians of their sin. Mature Christians should recognize this fallacy right away. Every disciple of Christ has felt the overwhelming conviction of the Holy Spirit when he or she has sinned. Jesus calls the Holy Spirit “the Spirit of Truth” (John 15:26). Truth, by its very definition, will not tolerate anything false. When the Spirit of Truth abides in a believing heart (1 Corinthians 6:19), He brings conviction about anything that is not truth.

In summary, much of what the hyper-grace preachers teach is valid. We are indeed saved by grace, not our works (Ephesians 2:8–9). And God’s grace is marvelous, great, and free (1 Timothy 1:14). However, hyper-grace teaching is out of proportion to the rest of Scripture. Any time one doctrine is emphasized to the exclusion of the rest, we fall into error because we fail to “correctly handle” the Word (2 Timothy 2:15).

Jesus was full of both “grace and truth” (John 1:14). The two are in delicate balance, and a tip to either side can result in a false gospel. We must always compare any new teaching with the “whole counsel of God” and learn to disregard anything that veers even slightly from the truth (1 John 4:1).

That is NOT accurate

Here is what is really said below in the link. Those in your website is what is commonly accused of saying.

Most is a distortion of what is really being said.

But you know that as what is really believed has been psoted for a long time by many people.

Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections

 

[LoveGodForever]

If we are the temple of God, as believers and He dwells with us. why is it necessary to set aside any specific day for worship, when I worship Him every day? 1 Cor 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own. 1 Cor 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and each of you is part of it. Psalm 145:2 Every day will I bless you; and I will praise your name forever and ever.
Romans 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. Paul extols to us what our true and proper and acceptable worship is. If this is our true and proper worship under the New Covenant, then what you are explaining is not!

Hi Limey410v2,

Good question, but very simple. It is a commandment of God and He asks us to keep the 7th Day Sabbath as a Holy day, just like he asks us not to lie or kill anyone or use His name in vain or worship idols etc. If we say that we are believers and following him and do not do what he asks us then we are not believers and not His followers because we do not believe His Word. I worship God everyday as well but God asks His people to keep the 7th Day Sabbath as a Holy day as is a memorial creation because it shows that we worship the God of all creation. This is the Lord's Day and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and the God of creation and it shows that we follow him (Gen 2:1-3; Ex 20:1-17; Mark 2:28)

God bless

 

[Ariel82]

I agree but the labels others use to attack them can muddy the waters of the true gospel.

There is no such thing as easy believism or hyper grace per se in the derogatory way it is used to malign the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The gospel message is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and we are saved by grace through faith in Christ's work alone and those that receive the "abundance of grace" and the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the Lord Jesus Christ. Rom. 5:17

I disagree. There are people who teach easy believism and hyper grace as defined.

Are all people given the label teaching these false doctrines?

Probably not.

However like legalism, easy believism exist.

Many say a sinners prayer and believe themselves with a free ticket to heaven without a change in heart and only a hazy understanding of the gospel but no saving faith in Jesus and what He did upon the cross.

Hyper grace is evident when folks want to replace all biblical concepts with the word grace instead of allowing the biblical concepts to maintain their own distinct meanings.

The difference between biblical grace and hyper grace is harder to show but is still there in the lack of the need of repentance/changing of the mind or conviction/chastennent by the Holy Spirit.

I don't care what words you use to describe it..but the Holy spirit should reveal what needs to be out to death (sin and flesh) and what needs to be encouraged to grow (faith and love and godliness).

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is one of the accusations and what is really being said.

People can agree to dis-agree too but at the very least have some integrity to say what is really being said and to not be deceitful in mis-representing it.

Objection #4: Hyper-Grace Preachers Are Against Confession of Sin

This is one of the most common misrepresentations of hyper-grace theology. The Biblical term “to confess” simply means “to speak the same thing as” or “to agree with.” We teach that confession is important because we should yield our minds to agreement with God about everything He reveals – including, but not limited to, sin.

What we often also teach (and this is where the rub is with some people) is that confession is not about triggering any transaction between us and God that would issue forth more forgiveness, as though God were dispensing forgiveness in various doses based upon our confessions. Forgiveness of sin is something that was provided objectively ONE time by ONE act of grace through ONE Savior who shed His blood on the cross for us 2000 years ago. As the book of Hebrews repeatedly emphasizes, He is the “once for all” sacrifice for sin.

Confession of sin then, is about humility and walking in agreement with God – not about getting more forgiveness from Him. Some will suggest that God’s forgiveness is dispensed using a “two-tiered” approach. On one level, they say, God has forgiven our sins judicially and objectively through the cross.

On the second tier, however, we need to confess our sins in order to receive “relational” or“experiential” forgiveness in order to maintain close fellowship with God.

This two-tiered approach is nowhere taught In the New Testament, and has only been popularized because of two basic levels of rationale. The first is based upon a misinterpretation of two passages in the New Testament, both of which have been clearly explained in books and sermons by a host of solid gospel teachers.

These two passages are Matthew 6:12 (where Jesus appears to be commanding His followers to ask for God’s forgiveness) and 1 John 1:9 (which seems to link forgiveness to confession of sin).

In my book “TheGospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God” I deal with these passages quite clearly, as do other authors such as Bob George, Andrew Farley, Ralph Harris, Paul Ellis, Cathy Hildebrand and Andrew Nelson. I encourage you to investigate these writings for yourself in order to understand the context in which these passages were intended to be understood.

The bottom-line is this. We hyper-grace preachers DO value confession of sin. We also practice confession of sin in our own lives. However, we understand confession to be about agreeing with God concerning the foolishness of our sin rather than begging for forgiveness based upon a humanly-invented two-tiered approach to somehow "maintaining close fellowship" with Him.

Our fellowship with God was purchased unconditionally and irreversibly by Jesus at the cross. Once we receive that fellowship by simple faith in Christ, it is our eternal possession regardless of our recent performance or track-record. As I’ve written in my book, The Gospel Uncut:

"The way I now approach confession is to simply agree with God about the foolishness of my sin. I admit to Him that my sin hurts me as well as others and that it fails to bring glory to His Name. Often I am sorrowful over the foolishness of my actions. The Apostle Paul wrote that there is a “godly sorrow that brings repentance” (2 Cor. 10:7).

When I know I have sinned, I humbly admit that my sinful behavior is out of step with my new nature and identity in Him, and I ask Him to help me rest in His completed work.

Now here comes the best part! After agreeing with God about my sin, I begin thanking Him for the fact that this sinful act was already forgiven at the cross. Understanding these realities has literally transformed my practice of confession, changing the experience from a guilt-ridden begging session into a dynamic, worshipful encounter in which my conscious mind (and behavior) is realigned with the grace and truth of Jesus.

So yes! By all means confess your sin to God! Agree with Him about sin and everything else He has revealed.

But don’t think of confession as a means of obtaining something that Jesus Christ died “once for all” to secure for you.

Remember that confession is about humility and the ongoing renewal of the mind process – and never about getting something from God that is already yours in abundance through the finished work of Christ. If you are a believer in Christ, you are NEVER out of fellowship with God.

Fellowship is an identity issue, meaning that you now share "all things in common" with God as a joint-heir with Christ (Rom. 8:17)!

This never has been and never will be based upon your behavioral performance and is not something that you must confess sin in order to have reinstated! Because of Christ, you are always clean and God is always close!

Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections

 

[Stephen63]

They all have a list of what their beliefs are on their webpages. There is a parable about the kingdom of God or heaven, not sure which right now, anyhow...it grows up like a great tree and birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. Those birds are not a good thing.

When there is movement going on in a church which mostly is called revival, but I wouldn't label it that...just Holy Spirit shows up in newness of power...things supernatural start to happen...the unbalanced, the tares.. whatever the birds represent...show up too along with those who are thirsty and hungry for God.

And there is where one gets all the strange fire and twisting of the teachings...

Not to say that there isn't strange leadership too...but not with Bill Johnson. I don't follow Prince. In fact I don't really follow Johnson. But, I've heard enough that Id love to be at his church. Is just too far away.

Actually, you don't have to know everything about a minister to prove whether he's a fake or not.

Investigate who he runs with & preaches with. A true man of God will know those he preaches with & runs with.

For instance, most televangelists will run with/preach with other false preachers/teachers.

A true man of God will guard his heart & his reputation.

 

[Grace777x70]

The difference between biblical grace and hyper grace is harder to show but is still there in the lack of the need of repentance/changing of the mind or conviction/chastennent by the Holy Spirit.

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This is a complete lie and no one has ever said that Christians don't repent - in fact people say the complete opposite of what you are saying. This is a prime example of making statements that are not even remotely true and thinking they are real.

And there is no scripture that says the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of sin - He convicts us of righteousness just like Jesus said in John 16:8-9 But you are free to think differently if you desire. I will post about John 16 in a minute.

 

[stillness]

A dead man can do nothing, but acording to Jesus, no one can do anything against the truth but only for the truth. You may ask how can we who are dead in sin work for the truth. Yes you have the answer, Grace as divine influence to make us alive with the power of the Holy Spirit to turn turn the world upside down. So that those under the law are the ones that can do nothing towards salvation, while the Love of God works in us who believe for everlasting salvation: daily renewal, His mercies are new every morning.

 

[stonesoffire]

Actually, you don't have to know everything about a minister to prove whether he's a fake or not.

Investigate who he runs with & preaches with. A true man of God will know those he preaches with & runs with.

For instance, most televangelists will run with/preach with other false preachers/teachers.

A true man of God will guard his heart & his reputation.

We don't judge others. Before the master they (we) stand or fall. And I said this before to you, or I think it was you, that God is presently judging His House. And those in the world. I've seen many die early in the arts. And many ministers have fallen.

Do we deny the deity of Jesus Christ? Deny He came in flesh? Those we do.

These matter most.

 

[Grace777x70]

Some people have an evangelical anaphylaxis event in their minds when they hear that the Holy Spirit does not "convict" the believer of sins because we have been taught differently.

The Holy Spirit convicts/convinces the believer of the righteousness that is in us which indirectly points to the "works of the flesh" that we need to repent of ( change our minds on how we view them ).

His life that is in us because of righteousness causes the works of the flesh to drop off us as we "become" who we really are in Christ in our new man - the new creation.

This is "walking by the spirit" which will stop the flesh from fulfilling "it's" desires.

The word " convict/reprove/convince/expose" in question has many meanings attached to it as well.

It is only used 1 time in KJV as "convict"....it is used more often with the word "to reprove/rebuke/convince/expose"...the word needs to be looked at in the "context" that it is used...

It is a revealing of things.....to the world the Holy Spirit reveals/convinces/expose their sin of unbelief in Jesus..

To the believer He reveals/convinces/expose that they are the righteousness of Christ because He went to the Father to stand as an Advocate.

John 16:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And He, when He comes, will convict the world ( unbelievers ) concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] concerning sin, because they ( unbelievers ) do not believe in Me;

[SUP]10 [/SUP] and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you ( believers ) no longer see Me;

1 John 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

[SUP]2 [/SUP] and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.


Here are a few examples of the same exact word used in scripture...as one can clearly see....this word has many uses depending on the context.

1 Corinthians 14:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

Titus 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Matthew 18:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

John 8:46 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

So, we can clearly seen the Greek word translated once in the KJV as "convict" really means to expose, reveal, convince people of something.

 

[followjesus]

Actually, you don't have to know everything about a minister to prove whether he's a fake or not.

Investigate who he runs with & preaches with. A true man of God will know those he preaches with & runs with.

For instance, most televangelists will run with/preach with other false preachers/teachers.

A true man of God will guard his heart & his reputation.

its really even simpler than that bro. if you compare what they say to what Jesus says and it doesnt jive its false. He is the truth, they are not. we have a Lord for a simple reason, Because He is the Lord. He says repeatedly hear ME, obey ME, Learn from ME, follow ME, do what IM saying and you will live and Know the truth and you will never see death, He also warns of many false teachers that would come and claim a different message. He also sent His apostles to teach the word all that He taught them in the gospel if a christian doctrine has to throw out Jesus word.......its 100 percent false. anyone who Loves Jesus will know thats true

 

[Stephen63]

Listening from a horses mouth named, Bill, is how you got deceived and did not know until now he does not share your OSAS beliefs....any OSAS believer knows and usually stays away from the Assemblies of this one point alone and many others....

I am dropping it grace but stop being clever and trying to paint me as someone that I am because you got caught with your pants down....and talking out of both sides of your face....

Own it grace and stop being clever...

**You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Meggido again.**