A Request to the Teachers

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Men made up the degrees thing, but Scripture is replete with exhortation to study, warnings against ignorance, and man being responsible for his knowledge, or lack thereof. 2 Timothy 2:15; "Do your best..." &c.

In fact, Nicodemus was rebuked for his lack of knowledge, being "the" teacher of Israel. It was a proper, fitting rebuke. Surely the Holy Spirit wanted him to engage in further study, and he was already well studied.



Since God ordered study. One reason Paul was so well used was because of his vast knowledge of Scripture.

The Holy Spirit inspired the writings exhorting us to grow in knowledge, to study &c. So, looks like He's into this thing pretty much. ;)

Then there is the flip side where people think ignorance is being spiritual.



That's a broad and a low swing. Do you have some specific examples of this happening that you can share with us as proof and evidence? Or, are you just swinging at everyone who has a degree, studies, is quite knowledgeable, knows the Biblical languages et al?

Also, aren't you the one who welcomes people here and that tells them we have smart Bible people here to help them? That's pretty ironic.

For the record I don't know of any theologians who fit into your derogatory statement, but I do know many people who love to demean those educated in Scripture, theologians and the like. Frankly, it's ugly, unbiblical, ignorant and divisive. It happens on this forum daily, and is used to be dismissive of other brothers and sisters who labor in doctrine and in the Word, and know what they're talking about. I highly respect them.

If we had more of them (those with degrees) and sound teaching, there would be less ignorance and less pride in ones ignorance. I don't see the LORD rebuking any person for deep study and learning via their "study of God" (aka theology). Thank God for them.

1 Timothy 5:17
well it all depends on one's definition of "Smart",my definition is one from God's view on whom is "Smart",when I say "Bible smart" I mean that people here know enough about the bible to "discuss" the bible,
whether accurately or not that is of value,another way to define "Smart" would be to say that one does not go looking for trouble and don't try to make themselves out as more important than God,I'm not saying that people who obtain degrees are doing wrong by God,but one must be weary of one's standing,no man woman or child is superior to God just as he told Moses,how that he is whom makes people how they are particularly intelligence wise,for Moses was refusing at first to work for God because he felt unqualified which in a sense was "smart" in humility but God needed him to be a servant right then and there not years later when he could learn what "he felt" was proper,
or even I under lamens terms could be viewed as "unqualified" by "people" to teach anyone about salvation,baptism,or of God's word the bible,because I only have a high school diploma,but God is different he sees the value that we do not so easily see through our very own eyes,he has laid it upon my heart to teach others through the holy spirit,by way of these Christian chat sites,and who am I to resist God?
I am but a mere man,my only validations to teach for God,are being saved and baptized,receiving God's holy spirit,and having a great love for God and having compassion upon my fellow brother and sisters in Christ whether lost or not I care for all of God's children,
my concern for these "credentials"that many so require is that,a person whom seeks after knowledge and high standing of man can despite intelligence lose sight of whom they really serve,there are but two masters,God,and satan,tis good to always follow God wholly without seek of self gain,for then does one allow for growing in spirit,
anything in this world can be viewed in this world as "good" but it is all vanity,we are to "endure" til the end until Jesus returns,not delight in the wiles of this world or seek superiority because God is "Almighty" not us and we are to be his humble servants,for what God desires of us is not,high intelligence,or high standing,instead he desires for us to work for him when he calls us,not in our own good time,no matter how high one's intelligence one can still stumble upon their own words,and do not what God desires,
it is "wise" to do what you can when you can fir God,not follow what others say you "have" to be because God is the one "True" Judge of All of us,not each other,"True Wisdom" is to "obey" God,and to "hearken"'when he calls,for what use is "Knowledge" if one uses it not for whom "gave" you,not only mere knowledge but your very life,"knowledge" is no more useful than rotted armor for if "Knowledge" is gained but not used for God,then it is just as useless,because yes it can convince people that you are "wise" using "words" to cover yourself in a haze to hide behind,but when one comes to you whom is "wise" for they serve God devoutly then you no longer have any defense to hide behind because if there is no "righteous" reason to use the "acquired" "Knowledge" then what use is it to God,no use,
discern how you like,but if nothing else is understood by anyone in this post understand this...
"God is no respecter to persons" it is not,your "Knowledge" that makes you a servant of God,is not your standing in this world,it is not how well you speak,it is all in how you love God and humble yourself to him that defines whom is God's servants.
 
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cc welcomes all people to share here with a few rules that should be adhered to.

GOD is above all and the Truth can be given to whom ever He chooses to share.


The poor man with no education could be full of God's Truth and wisdom... And the theologist could recite words with no understanding....

The poor man will share the poem and know what it means....

The spiritualy blind can read it aloud but not perceive.....
The poor man with no education can be filled with God's truth and wisdom all right, but it's not like God poofs that information into the person. There is studying. There is prayer. There is access to specific information over a period of time that God gives. There is some form of "how did you learn that" involved, with a tangible answer.

Either that, or it's just an excuse used to avoid learning anything and people are supposed to accept it because "I said so."
 
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Teaching is one of the gifts of the Spirit. I would much rather hear a teacher who is anointed by the Holy Spirit than someone who just earned a Bible degree.
And what is that sign? Since "anointed with the Holy Spirit" is thrown out there as a thing, what's the sign to see it?
 
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come to think of it,where does it speak of "degrees" in the bible hmmmm nowhere!?
how'd people start needing degrees to teach through the holy spirit???
well,leave multiple individuals alone to their own devices and trust only in their own knowledge,and Bingo you get people with Egos and boastings,imagine that!
If you don't know what the "degrees" were back then, then it's time to learn. They were educated back then.

Is your ego boasting in lack of education?
 
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actually even more hilarious is that many of the people God "Used" in the bible to spread his word and "Teach" it were not "brilliant" thinkers or even people that were incredibly knowledgeable,like Moses for example he wasn't the best public speaker or even very quick witted,yet Gasp,God made use of him and in time he "became" wise through not his own knowledge or any pieces of papers or credentials,he "became" wise by having "faith" in God,"obeying" God,and what do you know "learning" from God instead of learning a bunch of big fancy words from people that were "Wise" in their own "view",not to mention that God has no piece of paper saying that he is the wisest or some award proving that he is great,why??? because he has already done "Everything" for "US",but what do we often do in this world,"Think"way too much and try even to the very foolishness of pain or death to make a name for ourselves when,once again God never said to do so,yet what do you know the world confounds it self as usual.
Like Moses for example? The guy with 40 years of education as an adopted son of a Pharaoh, followed by 40 more years of apprenticeship and the practicality of hard work caring for a herd and workers?
 
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My bad. Silly me. I forgot the purpose of this forum was to promote whatever you want, and you certainly can't have people falling for it if they've "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth."

Always best to teach the ignorant out of ignorance.

Never mind.
 
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Well I think such people can indeed be wise and good teachers however you also have to consider that just because you are educated and have a Ph.D doesn't mean you are more qualified than one without. I barely graduated from high school and that was in special education as well and there was a man on here who has a p.hd and also graduated from some kind of bible college and he was very much into works for salvation and I was trying to show him that you cannot rely on works and his response was that I was only four years into Christ and he has been saved for 3o something years as well as having a P.h.d and graduating from a bible college and so my opinion was moot.

My response to him was that just because he is far more ahead of me in years of salvation doesn't mean he is above correction even from a babe like me and that true he may have a very good education but since when does a non education limit God?
Precisely,God can and has"Used" anyone he saw fit to teach and preach,an excellent example of this would be Saul later named Paul,he was a murderer of God's people and yet Jesus saw fit for him to be a worker for him,noone is beyond God's power to not only humble but correct and use anyone as a worker for him.
 
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Shall we call them "rabboni" now? :rolleyes:

The Holy Spirit is the Counselor, good enough for me.
 
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Like Moses for example? The guy with 40 years of education as an adopted son of a Pharaoh, followed by 40 more years of apprenticeship and the practicality of hard work caring for a herd and workers?
well considering "Moses" education with pharoah was of other Gods and most likely witch craft,Moses had to be "newly educated" for he knew not how to speak unto his brethren the Israelites,and he feared going back of course to Egypt,I mean it's hardly an easy thing as Moses came to realize to going from serving under pharoah and yet wanting to speak unto his brethren,to serving God and going against pharoah and seeking to free his brethren,so in essence the "education" as you call it,was "wordly" and "corrupt" so when I spoke as Moses as an example,I was speaking on that he had not "learned much" regarding God and his brethren the Israelites and feared that God had chosen wrong because of this,I suppose the misconception was of which "education" Moses felt he needed more time learning in,because indeed you are correct he learned under Pharoah's household of many things through a form of education no doubt,but in learning of a new "education" outside that of Egypt he still was learning,after all "years" are not what makes the difference between the two but rather one's heart,for Moses was most certainly told to worship multiple Gods and pretty much overlook the Israelites whom were viewed as slaves by pharoah,and anyone can in time learn a new culture,but learning what is right and wrong in a different culture as well as believing on God instead of Gods,certainly had to be tough on Moses,and whether it had been 40 years or 100 years learning anew for a culture can be "learned" but as many know "faith" and "love" are not so easy to believe upon especially when one has learned that which is wrong growing up,you can understand a culture much easier than you can "believe" and stand by a "belief",for if Moses had belief when God first spoke to him then he would have agreed with God and been eager to go free his brethren,but he was not eager for understandably he knew that he had done wrong by his brethren and knew not how to go about helping them,you see he had yet to learn"faith" and in time he did believe upon God,but before when God sought to send him he could not bring himself to do so for he had "doubt",that is what I meant by Moses being or like wise some other followers of God being,not incredibly knowledgeable,because some were well learned in "education" of how to speak or even in writing,but in cases like Moses' he was "not educated in spirit" when I say "not educated" or in another form of phrase,I mean that they were at a time not learned in an area that was either needed or not needed,depending upon what capacity God needed them in....
Moses was a "smart" man starting out when it came to pharoah's ways,but he was not so quick to learn when it came to learning the culture and beliefs of the Israelites and speaking unto them in an understandable way,so what I'm really trying to say is that God filled the gap for many of his followers,with Moses he told him what to say and do since Moses was not confident that he could make amends with his brethren,but when God comforted him by telling him that he would be with him,he was willing to go forth then for God filled his weakness by being with him.
 
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Teaching is said to be for teachers in elementary, middle high schools, colleges, seminaries etc. so the student can use that knowledge to increase their productivity in society.

To teach the WORD of GOD, one needs to ask each and everyone to not believe a word said but rather take the information given them and look the scriptures up as the Bereans did in ACTs 17:11

For with Jesus Christ as your Savior:

The Holy Spirit will teach you if you are willing to learn from Him.

He will guide you in daily activities if you will listen to Him.

He will protect and maintain your soul in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (the whole armor of God) if you will let Him.

For by Faith and Faith alone will the Church (Body of Jesus Christ) become His Bride in the days to come!

Blade
 

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credentials,
Yes I am a Lone ranger, my wife is tonto. My mentor and his wife, would have most of you bowing your head in shame over, your bible knowledge.

Its been said that i teach, this is true, though nothing i have written has passed muster with my mentor, I know people by there fruits.

I have read the bible countless times, cd's tapes' books from all denominations, including satanic,(know your enemy) i read all your posts i pray about responses, when unknowledgable about something biblical, i pester our Father until he reveals, the answer.

I pray with my wife every morn and every evening, i have taught teenagers, and had a little service in the mtns.

when rebuked by man, I back up and ask the Father should I proceed.
if you knew me, my life is 80% jesus.

the spirit still reveals as my mentor, has shown me

credentials, i have none, but what i do have i share freely
 
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If you don't know what the "degrees" were back then, then it's time to learn. They were educated back then.

Is your ego boasting in lack of education?
no I'm not saying that being uneducated in the general sense is a good thing,I suppose to sum up what I've been talking about concerning "degrees"'and "higher learning" as well as the "wordly credentials people believe people ought to have is more simply put in this wise...
the "Credentials" God requires for one to "teach" or "preach" are...
1.hear the word of God(the bible
2.seek to learn the word of God(the bible)
3.Seek change in one's own life after realizing one is a sinner and needs God
4.Ask God willingly humbly and sincerely to save your soul and accept Jesus as your saviour thus receiving the holy spirit
5.be willingly baptized in representation of accepting Jesus's death for your sin thereby starting anew with no sin(but still the possibility of sin)
6.read God's word(the bible) alongside the holy spirit learning all you can and thereby the holy spirit bringing to reminder scriptures from God's word(the bible)
7.have a love for God and willingness to do all that he asks of you
8.Learn from God what role you are to have for him(pastor,teacher,deacon,evangelist,whatever God desires you to be)
9.Do all you can in the role you are given as well as when there is opportunity if one asks of anything concerning God or his word and are willing to learn,speak unto them what the holy spirit leads you to say,as well as spread and teach God's word when he calls you to do so just because you may not receive the role of teacher in a church does not mean that you cannot teach through the holy spirit and lead people to God that is our role without saying,though some do receive different "gifts" such as speaking in tongues,preaching in the spirit,and other such "gifts"
10.seek not your "own"'knowledge" seek God for understanding when speaking of or teaching of his word and seek not hate nor superiority toward others,for "vengeance is mine saith the lord",so our vengeance is folly,and "God is the one true judge"so declaring that one "must" under go what anyone says without God in agreement is the same as being against God for "to be a friend of the world is to be at enmity(war) with God,it is not for us to decide who is "qualified" to serve God, for cannot God decide whom he wishes to serve him is he not capable of speaking for himself?
Indeed.
 
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My bad. Silly me. I forgot the purpose of this forum was to promote whatever you want, and you certainly can't have people falling for it if they've "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth."

Always best to teach the ignorant out of ignorance.

Never mind.
Nay that is what the "ignorant/Lost" desire is for God's devout servants to give up on believing on God,remember "anger but sin not" this is why many mock us and seek hurt toward us because we stand firmly for "Truth".
 
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Just a quick read through the first page of this forum, and there is no doubt many consider themselves teachers. Well, okay, you consider yourself a teacher. You may even be a teacher, but I have a request:

In my denomination, we know the teachers because they have to past a bunch of tests before the presbytery (session of churches) before they are approved as teachers. Most of the churches I've gone to, at the very least, I understood the background of the people preaching that week. (And, honestly? It wasn't always a background in seminary either, but at least I knew.) Can you at least give your expertise on the subject you're teaching before jumping into it? Because, if I don't know it, I'm not going to listen.

I've had enough people try and teach me stuff only to find out quickly they didn't have a clue on the subject, so I really don't waste time until I understand the teacher has a clue.

Do with this what you like. It's just a request.

I think honestly the best thing to do for all of us is share and learn, share and Learn and not label ourselves teachers, and not refuse things until they are Heard out. and tested against scripture. teachers are ordained of God, not seminaries, its a spiritual gift Like prophecy, tounges, encouragement, exceeding faith to work miracles. i think if we look to the Body has many members teaching of Paul, we see the truth that Gods design is to come together in His name sharing those gifts with each other, for the good of the Body. its not something we should let drive us apart, or cuae us to envy or keep distain in us for the other guys who have a different function. the wise will not concern themselves with Labeling themself or another, but Gifts are recognized by the Body without someone explaining " Im a teacher" or " I m a prophet" or " I can work miracles" or whtever else there is.


I think if we Just get in tune with God through His Word, our gifts will present themselves to others, and we need only keep our purpose and reasoning together with humility offered in Love and in the areas we are called and ordained within. seminaries differ from school to school, for instance rod parsleys seminaries will teach His interpretations, or andrew wommacks will teach His. in the end the best seminary to study and find approval is the Holy Bible and consistant prayer for understanding.


we have strengths and we have things we arent so strong in thats why we have an entire Body with different giftings, its when we refuse to operate and share the gifts that Light dims, or when we have grudges inwardly because another has a gift we envy rather than finding in prayer and supplication, study our area of operation where we can assist or share value to others.
 

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The poor man with no education can be filled with God's truth and wisdom all right, but it's not like God poofs that information into the person. There is studying. There is prayer. There is access to specific information over a period of time that God gives. There is some form of "how did you learn that" involved, with a tangible answer.

Either that, or it's just an excuse used to avoid learning anything and people are supposed to accept it because "I said so."
Honestly nothing is impossible for GOD.

Myself can witness that I could read the Bible and not understand it...

By GOD's Grace I was moved in my plea for Help to do things that most would label me crazy...

I was to to read and listen... and sometimes it would not come and it would come later on or not even the same day...

I read the Bible and then listen within and many call me self taught but I smile and know I was blind and could not see.. I freely share whatever comes to share and If I seek anything other than His Glory and the Salvation of man then I will answer to the Almighty in due course.


I can not bury the treasure given me.. I must share it freely.

The Holy Spirit is at work here on cc we recognise each other by our fruit.
 

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I think it should be pretty clear that the wisdom and knowledge of Egypt goes pretty far beyond pagan religious myth and sorcery. One does not become a dominant world power and culture spanning thousands of years by foolishness.

Moses and Joseph both were blessed by God to have been opportunity to learn as they did, as Daniel also was in Babylon. We shouldn't take some 'fox and the grapes' attitude or sniff at it as though it's nothing.

God says "blessed be Egypt my people" and chose them to harbor Israel, and later Christ also.
 

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I think it should be pretty clear that the wisdom and knowledge of Egypt goes pretty far beyond pagan religious myth and sorcery. One does not become a dominant world power and culture spanning thousands of years by foolishness.

Moses and Joseph both were blessed by God to have been opportunity to learn as they did, as Daniel also was in Babylon. We shouldn't take some 'fox and the grapes' attitude or sniff at it as though it's nothing.

God says "blessed be Egypt my people" and chose them to harbor Israel, and later Christ also.

Read what is written before:

Isaiah 19


19 The burden of Egypt. Behold, the Lordrideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.
2 And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.
3 And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.
4 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts.
5 And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.
6 And they shall turn the rivers far away; and the brooks of defence shall be emptied and dried up: the reeds and flags shall wither.
7 The paper reeds by the brooks, by the mouth of the brooks, and every thing sown by the brooks, shall wither, be driven away, and be no more.
8 The fishers also shall mourn, and all they that cast angle into the brooks shall lament, and they that spread nets upon the waters shall languish.
9 Moreover they that work in fine flax, and they that weave networks, shall be confounded.
10 And they shall be broken in the purposes thereof, all that make sluices and ponds for fish.
11 Surely the princes of Zoan are fools, the counsel of the wise counsellors of Pharaoh is become brutish: how say ye unto Pharaoh, I am the son of the wise, the son of ancient kings?
12 Where are they? where are thy wise men? and let them tell thee now, and let them know what the Lord of hosts hath purposed upon Egypt.
13 The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.
14 The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
15 Neither shall there be any work for Egypt, which the head or tail, branch or rush, may do.
16 In that day shall Egypt be like unto women: and it shall be afraid and fear because of the shaking of the hand of the Lord of hosts, which he shaketh over it.
17 And the land of Judah shall be a terror unto Egypt, every one that maketh mention thereof shall be afraid in himself, because of the counsel of the Lord of hosts, which he hath determined against it.
18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the Lord of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.
20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lordbecause of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
21 And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it.
22 And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
 
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This Scripture should not be misunderstood. What the Lord was saying is that clerical titles are forbidden. In today's parlance, it would mean than no Christian should take the title of Reverend, Right Reverend, Doctor, Rabbi, Monsigneur, Father, Holy Father, etc. We are simply to call them "Brother xyz"

At the same time we all have (1) one Teacher who is the Holy Spirit, and (2) spiritually gifted teachers within the assemblies to help Christians become mature in the faith (Ephesians 4:11,12).

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

The gifts of pastors (shepherds) and teachers are not identical. Many pastors are poor teachers and many teachers could not really function as pastors.

Not be misunderstood? Christ's words are very plain. We all teach a little but none of us are to call ourselves teachers.
 
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1 Corinthians 1
26For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, 29so that no man may boast before God. 30But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, 31so that, just as it is written, “LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD.”

1 Timothy 3
1It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), 6and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil. 7And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

2 Timothy 2
20Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. 21Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work. 22Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 23But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels. 24The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

Please note that no specialized training is required in scripture.

Seminary in the past has been helpful, but by no means would I recommend it today, because it is now corrupt.

Not only so, but any sinner with a good memory can pass seminary with flying colors.

The worst I've ever seen is a preacher coming straight out of seminary & taking a church. No humility. No empathy. Conceited, thinking he's the "professional".

Somehow they're brainwashed to believe they deserve a big church with all the trimmings.

It seems their first commitment is to to their career instead of God's church.

I also, like Willie, took more time to be debrainwashed from former denominational teachings. Spot on, Willie.
:)

I have no formal training at all. All of it has been from prayer, study, & experience.


 

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A call to preach is a call to prepare. Every believer is to study the word of God and disciple other believers as well as evangelize the lost. Mat 28 is a prime example.

Many are the souls that call themselves into ministry but they lack the anointing of God. There is a lot of hardship and strife in the church because these men are operating in their own strength and not the power of God.

Even the best schools cannot overcome a deceitful heart in the student.

For the cause of Christ
Roger