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We as Christians should all have a little discernment. If we are saved we know the voice of the Lord and we know the Spirit of Truth. The Spirit of God always matches up so if someone is bringing us something that doesn’t match up we know that it is not of God.
1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1 John 2:26-29
[FONT="]26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.[/FONT]
amen the best thing we can do is share the Word of God as we learn it, rather than forming our own interpretation or following anothers imterpretation, the Word of God is designed perfectly to interpret its self, all through the Word of Christ Jesus, the Teacher annointed of God.( deuteronomy 18:15-19, Isaiah 42,malachi 3, John 12:48-50, acts 3:22-26)
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Say what???
Depleted., I didn't come here to argue but you are always looking for an argument and you are always ready to fight. I'm not your beast of burden so grow up or find someone else to argue with.
As I keep saying, what you whine about is usually what you do. The thing I finally caught onto in this thread is why. Now I get you don't want too many people to know too much or they can tell others what's wrong with what you "teach."
You remind me of Nancy Pelosi -- always a big smile while lashing out on "those poor misguided fools." And just like her, the "misguided fools" are always those that disagree with you. And just like her, you're no victim. If you're not a politician, you missed your calling.
think of the anointing as God's power upon someone completely surrendered to God's will to help that person do something for the greater benefit of others, regardless of personal benefit to the person God anointed...
The pride I spoke about are Church teachers who think the microphone and platform are the ministry....and rely on their own intellect and knowledge instead of the power of God upon them to do something for the greater benefit of others, regardless of personal benefit to the themselves.....
The pride I spoke about are Church teachers who think the microphone and platform are the ministry....and rely on their own intellect and knowledge instead of the power of God upon them to do something for the greater benefit of others, regardless of personal benefit to the themselves.....
Please read that Scripture again and see what exactly is being said in Matthew 23:8-11, which has nothing to do with "none of us are to call ourselves teachers". It is not about what we call ourselves, but what OTHERS call us.
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But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
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But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
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Taking this one at a time:
1. Complete more coursework
Most don't have the skills to do that. What skills, you're likely to ask? In my freshman year of college, I took a 401 Anthropology course totally unaware that "401" meant senior year level, and it had prerequisites. I got in! (Why I got in remains a mystery to me to this day. lol) And that stuff that they were learning was so over my head, I kept picking out words in sentences to make sure the prof was speaking English. I didn't have the basic skill to join that class. All classes (except for first year of school) are set up that you have to know stuff before you get to that stuff.
And you have the skills needed, because even now, if you put me in a PhD level class, I'd be back trying to decipher if it was being taught in English. You've got that much skill going in that you didn't flail the first day of class. (Not to be confused with feeling insecure that first day of class.)
2. Conceptualize a research project
At PhD level? I'd estimate 90% of the people on earth cannot conceptualize a specific idea enough to do a dissertation on it. I bet, if I had to, I could write a 10,000 word paper on any English-related or Social Studies-related topic given to me. I cannot, however do the same thing for science or math. And, I cannot write a non-fiction book on any subject. A paper or article? Sure, but not a book.
Why not? Because I don't have the skill set to pull it off. I don't have the brains to pull it off. You are going under the false assumption of "If I can do it, anyone can." Nope. If that were true, anyone of us could make another Great Wall like China has. You have skills most people do not have.
3. Pass preliminary exams which test their knowledge of subject material and demonstrate they have the ability to carry out a research project
Same thing. You had to get the knowledge, and retain it, to do that. Most people can keep the knowledge enough to pass a test, and then most of that knowledge is forgotten. You kept yours. You even had enough knowledge to know where to go to learn more.
4. Complete a review of relevant literature of their topic area and write up those results
Is that just to summarize their research? Because I would think it would be easy enough just to copy/paste the results, and footnote the references. I can do that if researching radio-frequency oblations versus cryoblations, but that doesn't mean I understand what the writers are talking about. I'm thinking you actually have to understand the research enough that you'd be able to tell why you agreed, disagreed, or somewhere in between on what you read.
5. Collect data; analyze that data; interpret the results of the analysis; write up those results
Analyze and interpret! Bingo! another moment where you think you're no different than anyone else, but two words that say you are -- "Analyze." "Interpret." You can do that. 99.5% of the rest of the world cannot... unless they are in your field of expertise.
Truthfully, I think that's what's missing with "teachers," as the topic I started this thread about. I agree no one needs a PhD to analyze or interpret anything in the Bible, and yet, I do think studying the topic enough to be able to analyze and interpret are greatly needed. I suspect if you picked a topic from the Bible -- any topic -- and did to that what you're doing to get your PhD, you could teach it in a manner I would accept from a teacher. The only question is if you'd do it like Posthuman, who has a tendency to go above my intelligence level, so I don't always understand him. lol BUT because you are willing to put in that much effort to learn one thing, by the time you learn it, if you shared it, I'd trust you on it. Might not agree, but I'd trust you enough to answer my questions honestly, to see if we could agree.
I like that in a teacher. Someone who proved he took the time to learn, before teaching it.
6. Defend, orally, in front of a committee of learned professionals, the entirety of the research project
And something else most people can't do -- defend their findings. To do that is to prove expertise. Again, why I'd trust you, and something most people can't do, or ever consider they need to do.
I get you think once you've done that, you never need live within what you learned. You never need live in what you learned to get there.
You have a talent most of us don't have. Once you get your PhD, the church could use people like you to study things of the Bible so the rest of us -- we who have less thinking abilities -- can understand it. I also suspect, you would get something out of it that will touch your life -- a bigger understanding of God that you could apply. Now that's first-hand experience you would enjoy for a change!
1. Complete more coursework
Most don't have the skills to do that. What skills, you're likely to ask? In my freshman year of college, I took a 401 Anthropology course totally unaware that "401" meant senior year level, and it had prerequisites. I got in! (Why I got in remains a mystery to me to this day. lol) And that stuff that they were learning was so over my head, I kept picking out words in sentences to make sure the prof was speaking English. I didn't have the basic skill to join that class. All classes (except for first year of school) are set up that you have to know stuff before you get to that stuff.
And you have the skills needed, because even now, if you put me in a PhD level class, I'd be back trying to decipher if it was being taught in English. You've got that much skill going in that you didn't flail the first day of class. (Not to be confused with feeling insecure that first day of class.)
2. Conceptualize a research project
At PhD level? I'd estimate 90% of the people on earth cannot conceptualize a specific idea enough to do a dissertation on it. I bet, if I had to, I could write a 10,000 word paper on any English-related or Social Studies-related topic given to me. I cannot, however do the same thing for science or math. And, I cannot write a non-fiction book on any subject. A paper or article? Sure, but not a book.
Why not? Because I don't have the skill set to pull it off. I don't have the brains to pull it off. You are going under the false assumption of "If I can do it, anyone can." Nope. If that were true, anyone of us could make another Great Wall like China has. You have skills most people do not have.
3. Pass preliminary exams which test their knowledge of subject material and demonstrate they have the ability to carry out a research project
Same thing. You had to get the knowledge, and retain it, to do that. Most people can keep the knowledge enough to pass a test, and then most of that knowledge is forgotten. You kept yours. You even had enough knowledge to know where to go to learn more.
4. Complete a review of relevant literature of their topic area and write up those results
Is that just to summarize their research? Because I would think it would be easy enough just to copy/paste the results, and footnote the references. I can do that if researching radio-frequency oblations versus cryoblations, but that doesn't mean I understand what the writers are talking about. I'm thinking you actually have to understand the research enough that you'd be able to tell why you agreed, disagreed, or somewhere in between on what you read.
5. Collect data; analyze that data; interpret the results of the analysis; write up those results
Analyze and interpret! Bingo! another moment where you think you're no different than anyone else, but two words that say you are -- "Analyze." "Interpret." You can do that. 99.5% of the rest of the world cannot... unless they are in your field of expertise.
Truthfully, I think that's what's missing with "teachers," as the topic I started this thread about. I agree no one needs a PhD to analyze or interpret anything in the Bible, and yet, I do think studying the topic enough to be able to analyze and interpret are greatly needed. I suspect if you picked a topic from the Bible -- any topic -- and did to that what you're doing to get your PhD, you could teach it in a manner I would accept from a teacher. The only question is if you'd do it like Posthuman, who has a tendency to go above my intelligence level, so I don't always understand him. lol BUT because you are willing to put in that much effort to learn one thing, by the time you learn it, if you shared it, I'd trust you on it. Might not agree, but I'd trust you enough to answer my questions honestly, to see if we could agree.
I like that in a teacher. Someone who proved he took the time to learn, before teaching it.
6. Defend, orally, in front of a committee of learned professionals, the entirety of the research project
And something else most people can't do -- defend their findings. To do that is to prove expertise. Again, why I'd trust you, and something most people can't do, or ever consider they need to do.
I get you think once you've done that, you never need live within what you learned. You never need live in what you learned to get there.
You have a talent most of us don't have. Once you get your PhD, the church could use people like you to study things of the Bible so the rest of us -- we who have less thinking abilities -- can understand it. I also suspect, you would get something out of it that will touch your life -- a bigger understanding of God that you could apply. Now that's first-hand experience you would enjoy for a change!
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Having a relationship with God is one on one, sometimes people can get a answer right then right after they ask a question etc. and sometimes poof it can be days, weeks, months or years, His called the living God for reason, I don't see Him saying all the time, Yo take a number and sit down and wait read the nice magazines study awhile and I'll get back with you on your request not say one can't learn the answer from study you'll know when that happens, no doubt some answers won't be answered in this life time yet others can go poof like instinct coffee.
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And how stupid is that to go to a college when you didn't even agree with the curriculum?
(Truthfully, I think getting a bachelor's degree at a "Bible College" is a waste of money and time. At least a liberal's art degree can get you in the door for a job. I prefer seminaries where the bachelor's degree was already obtained, and now the students know why they're going back to school.)
(Truthfully, I think getting a bachelor's degree at a "Bible College" is a waste of money and time. At least a liberal's art degree can get you in the door for a job. I prefer seminaries where the bachelor's degree was already obtained, and now the students know why they're going back to school.)
john 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Holy Spirit teaches through the Word of God. some feel as if we receive the spirit, and then Have no need of the Word. Gods Word is essential to Learn from the Holy spirit. No words Moreso than those of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life
quicken= spring to life; become animated.
The Holy Spirit teaches through the Word of God. some feel as if we receive the spirit, and then Have no need of the Word. Gods Word is essential to Learn from the Holy spirit. No words Moreso than those of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life
quicken= spring to life; become animated.
indeed and i think also many if not all of us have been in the position of having that Guard up, until the Word of God breaks down the walls we build around our minds and Hearts. I m sure Glad our God is good enough to make His will Known in the form of words we understand and can learn from. Pride cometh before the Fall
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By trade, my husband was a HVAC mechanic and then a computer techie. (We were group home parents for a short while, but only long enough to know we were not cut out for the bureaucracy of that job.) Would you say that is the history of someone called the teach God's word?
I wouldn't. However, the elders of two different churches (one a nondenom and one a denom) talked to him about teaching, because he had a gift to teach. What told them that? Certainly not watching him teach. (No one, but me, watched him teach. lol) What told them that is he has the gift to learn. He cannot get enough from the bible to satisfy his thirst, so he kept drinking. He studied the Bible 4 hours a night.
And when they asked him to teach, he freaked. He freaked because he didn't feel like he knew enough to teach. He freaked because it was a repeated thing that people in the church would ask him to teach, so, eventually, he understood God was calling him to teach. And God was.
That didn't mean hubby had to go to school. It meant he had to purposely study. Study, in such a way, that others would understand what he learned. And, not being a wimp, he picked his most studied book to teach first -- Romans. And not knowing how to teach, he also started studying how to teach -- BI. (Before the Internet.)
One of his books he got was from another teacher of God's word. He said that to prepare himself to teach a book, he spent one month -- 30 days -- reading the book from beginning to end every day and pray God would help him understand it all. After that he took notes, asked more questions, researched those answers until he was satisfied, and then kept studying.
Would you have trusted him to teach you Romans before knowing he studied it? I mean, he could fix any heater out there, but that's really not an endorsement to teaching the Bible. Would you trust him to teach Romans after finding out how he prepared to teach it?
Because honestly? One of the things that had me make this original request was you're teaching Hebrews. You might well know Hebrews enough to teach it, but I don't know who you are to know that. It would have been helpful to know how you felt qualified to teach Hebrews before teaching Hebrews.
IRL, anyone who wants to learn about a book of the Bible knows, even before they go to the class, what the teacher knows to verify the teacher understands the book. This isn't normal life, so a brief bio would have helped.
Frankly, you don't want me to teach Hebrews or Romans, without at least giving me half a year to prepare to teach them.
I wouldn't. However, the elders of two different churches (one a nondenom and one a denom) talked to him about teaching, because he had a gift to teach. What told them that? Certainly not watching him teach. (No one, but me, watched him teach. lol) What told them that is he has the gift to learn. He cannot get enough from the bible to satisfy his thirst, so he kept drinking. He studied the Bible 4 hours a night.
And when they asked him to teach, he freaked. He freaked because he didn't feel like he knew enough to teach. He freaked because it was a repeated thing that people in the church would ask him to teach, so, eventually, he understood God was calling him to teach. And God was.
That didn't mean hubby had to go to school. It meant he had to purposely study. Study, in such a way, that others would understand what he learned. And, not being a wimp, he picked his most studied book to teach first -- Romans. And not knowing how to teach, he also started studying how to teach -- BI. (Before the Internet.)
One of his books he got was from another teacher of God's word. He said that to prepare himself to teach a book, he spent one month -- 30 days -- reading the book from beginning to end every day and pray God would help him understand it all. After that he took notes, asked more questions, researched those answers until he was satisfied, and then kept studying.
Would you have trusted him to teach you Romans before knowing he studied it? I mean, he could fix any heater out there, but that's really not an endorsement to teaching the Bible. Would you trust him to teach Romans after finding out how he prepared to teach it?
Because honestly? One of the things that had me make this original request was you're teaching Hebrews. You might well know Hebrews enough to teach it, but I don't know who you are to know that. It would have been helpful to know how you felt qualified to teach Hebrews before teaching Hebrews.
IRL, anyone who wants to learn about a book of the Bible knows, even before they go to the class, what the teacher knows to verify the teacher understands the book. This isn't normal life, so a brief bio would have helped.
Frankly, you don't want me to teach Hebrews or Romans, without at least giving me half a year to prepare to teach them.
I would suggest first and foremost we are informed by the interpretation of God, the Bible…. that that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation as a commentary of men. He also warns of those who do say a man must teach us as the ideology of the antichrist.(1 John2:27-28) Even the Son of man when approached as good teacher(Rabbi) replied only God is good.
He has appointed teachers but we are never assume they replace the Holy Spirit who does teach, guide and comfort us all things and is accredited as bring to mind that which he has taught us.But like the Bareans moved by the Spirit of God search the scriptures to see if it is so
Teachers are like fathers in that way, as we are not to call any man on earth teacher (Rabbi) for one is our teacher Christ in heaven not seen. In the same way we are to call no man father because one is our Father in heaven . This helps us understand what it means to walk by faith as the things not seen
But all their works they do to be seen of men: for they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love the chief place at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the marketplaces, and to be called of men, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your teacher, and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, even he who is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even the Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.. Mat 23:5
An example before Paul was born again when men make the law of our Father in heaven as if it was to fathers on earth called a "law of the father" as commandments of men. It clearly shows they are walking by sight killing the perceived competition, false zealously, zealous of the things seen and not God not seen .
I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, at the feet of Gamaliel, instructed according to the strict manner of the law of our fathers, being zealous for God, even as ye all are this day: and I persecuted this Way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and journeyed to Damascus to bring them also that were there unto Jerusalem in bonds to be punished. Act 22:3
Over and over he reminded them that they were turning things upside down and having the faith that comes from hearing our Father in heaven in respect to sinful men called father on earth.Again their goal was to make all thing written in the law and the fathers (sola scritura) to no effect so that others would also serve the laws of men
Rather than worshipping the God of the fathers they worshiped the fathers as if they were God. Again turning things upside down by walking by sight
Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Again, not so worship I the fathers as if they were our Father in heaven.
Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
He has appointed teachers but we are never assume they replace the Holy Spirit who does teach, guide and comfort us all things and is accredited as bring to mind that which he has taught us.But like the Bareans moved by the Spirit of God search the scriptures to see if it is so
Teachers are like fathers in that way, as we are not to call any man on earth teacher (Rabbi) for one is our teacher Christ in heaven not seen. In the same way we are to call no man father because one is our Father in heaven . This helps us understand what it means to walk by faith as the things not seen
But all their works they do to be seen of men: for they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love the chief place at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the marketplaces, and to be called of men, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your teacher, and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, even he who is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your master, even the Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.. Mat 23:5
An example before Paul was born again when men make the law of our Father in heaven as if it was to fathers on earth called a "law of the father" as commandments of men. It clearly shows they are walking by sight killing the perceived competition, false zealously, zealous of the things seen and not God not seen .
I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, at the feet of Gamaliel, instructed according to the strict manner of the law of our fathers, being zealous for God, even as ye all are this day: and I persecuted this Way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and journeyed to Damascus to bring them also that were there unto Jerusalem in bonds to be punished. Act 22:3
Over and over he reminded them that they were turning things upside down and having the faith that comes from hearing our Father in heaven in respect to sinful men called father on earth.Again their goal was to make all thing written in the law and the fathers (sola scritura) to no effect so that others would also serve the laws of men
Rather than worshipping the God of the fathers they worshiped the fathers as if they were God. Again turning things upside down by walking by sight
Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Again, not so worship I the fathers as if they were our Father in heaven.
Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
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So I say God doesn't poof information into the person, and your response is above. Summarized is "It's not impossible for God to do that, but it hasn't happened to me." And then you go on to say you're "lead" to share what God will have you say. About right?
Because right after this reply you tried to correct Post on what he said by proving you didn't accept what he said, despite giving the same verse he gave.
That's what happens too often here. Too busy proving someone else is wrong by proving you didn't read what they said before responding, only to respond with agreement in the end. Twice in a row.
Not a teacher.
And, you're right. It is standard of this site, but I'm not blaming the Holy Spirit on it.
Because right after this reply you tried to correct Post on what he said by proving you didn't accept what he said, despite giving the same verse he gave.
That's what happens too often here. Too busy proving someone else is wrong by proving you didn't read what they said before responding, only to respond with agreement in the end. Twice in a row.
Not a teacher.
And, you're right. It is standard of this site, but I'm not blaming the Holy Spirit on it.