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MikkoAinasoja

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From the Bible:

33. As in all the churches of the saints,

34. let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

35. And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.

36. What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?

37. If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord. (1 Cor. 14:33-37)


"Commandments of the Lord" How much more he possibly even could be able to give more weight to his word?

I strongly believe that we should all take these word about the order very seriously.
 
Willie-T

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Expect to stay single. ☺
 
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MikkoAinasoja said:
From the Bible:

33. As in all the churches of the saints,

34. let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

35. And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.

36. What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?

37. If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord. (1 Cor. 14:33-37)


"Commandments of the Lord" How much more he possibly even could be able to give more weight to his word?

I strongly believe that we should all take these word about the order very seriously.
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Some will suggest that Paul was wrong in this teaching and should not be believed.
I accept Paul's teaching.
 
Nehemiah6

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Amen. You are absolutely correct and I trust we will all give heed to this.
 
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Persuaded said:
Some will suggest that Paul was wrong in this teaching and should not be believed.
I accept Paul's teaching.
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It is good to hear this. But this is not "Paul's teaching" but God's commandments THROUGH Paul (the instrument). Just as God used Moses to bring the Old Covenant commandments to Israel, God used Paul to bring the New Covenant commandments to the Church. There are many today seeking to put a wedge between Christ and Paul, but that is ludicrous.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
It is good to hear this. But this is not "Paul's teaching" but God's commandments THROUGH Paul (the instrument). Just as God used Moses to bring the Old Covenant commandments to Israel, God used Paul to bring the New Covenant commandments to the Church. There are many today seeking to put a wedge between Christ and Paul, but that is ludicrous.
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And we agree.
 
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GOD sent His only begotten Son to give Testimony..

The New Covenant is not given through the writings of Paul... It comes by the Words of the Messiah.
 
Magenta

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Well, we are only in church once a week for at most two hours, so...

Unless you mean to say women should tape their mouths shut forever.

Could you clarify?
 
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Hebrews 9

1Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein wasthe candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. 3And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; 4Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; 5And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
6Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. 7But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: 8The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9Which wasa figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on themuntil the time of reformation.


11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. 21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 
Nehemiah6

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loveme1 said:
GOD sent His only begotten Son to give Testimony..

The New Covenant is not given through the writings of Paul... It comes by the Words of the Messiah.
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Here we go again trying to drive a wedge between Christ and Paul. Who do you think wrote the bulk of the New Covenant (New Testament)? And who do you think explained the meaning of the New Covenant? And who do you think wrote the epistle to the Hebrews which you quoted above?
 
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Magenta said:
Well, we are only in church once a week for at most two hours, so...

Unless you mean to say women should tape their mouths shut forever.

Could you clarify?
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I don't believe that you can misunderstand what Paul was saying. It is only during worship -- when the entire church is gathered in one place -- that women are to keep silent. As other Scriptures clarify, women are forbidden to preach, teach, or assume authority within the local assembly.
 
Magenta

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Nehemiah6 said:
I don't believe that you can misunderstand what Paul was saying. It is only during worship -- when the entire church is gathered in one place -- that women are to keep silent. As other Scriptures clarify, women are forbidden to preach, teach, or assume authority within the local assembly.
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Since we are the church, I can see someone taking it to that extreme. But it is good to know the restriction only applies to two hours of the week.
 
PrynceNY

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People are constantly making threads about women being silent in the church. I'm really beginning to question if some "christian" men have respect for women at all.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Here we go again trying to drive a wedge between Christ and Paul. Who do you think wrote the bulk of the New Covenant (New Testament)? And who do you think explained the meaning of the New Covenant? And who do you think wrote the epistle to the Hebrews which you quoted above?
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You need to be learned to understand Paul's writings... Peter tells us so... He is beloved and he is different because he did not witness all that took place like the others...
 
Willie-T

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PrynceNY said:
People are constantly making threads about women being silent in the church. I'm really beginning to question if some "christian" men have respect for women at all.
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I don't think it's so much that they don't have respect for women, as it is that they aren't too confident in their own manhood.
 
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MikkoAinasoja said:
From the Bible:

33. As in all the churches of the saints,

34. let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

35. And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.

36. What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?

37. If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord. (1 Cor. 14:33-37)


"Commandments of the Lord" How much more he possibly even could be able to give more weight to his word?

I strongly believe that we should all take these word about the order very seriously.
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Do you follow the 10 Commandments?
 
Willie-T

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PrynceNY said:
It's better for christians to be single? it says no such thing in the scriptures
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Yep.... within one generation there just might not be any more Christians living on the Earth.
 
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PrynceNY said:
It's better for christians to be single? it says no such thing in the scriptures
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Really?

"The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."
Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
Mt 19:10

"Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do."
1 Cor 7:8

"Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife."
1 Cor 7:27
 
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