You made a broad statement saying it's better for christians to be single. I said in certain situations, if the person puts their spouse ahead of the lord then yes. The lord said if you love any of your family more than me you are not worthy of me. The lord never encouraged people to be single over marriage, that was paul. if you want to follow Pauls teachings in that regard thats your choice. Paul made that personal decision to be single himself the lord didn't tell him to do that
The Orders Of Church of God.
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Dont you really realize that whenever you are married, it consumes you a lot? More than anything else? Worries, problems, your time divided?
It applies to every age, every era and every marriage. Not just to somebody in war or just to somebody putting his wife over God.
But it is not the topic of this thread so let us postpone our convo to a thread about this.
It applies to every age, every era and every marriage. Not just to somebody in war or just to somebody putting his wife over God.
But it is not the topic of this thread so let us postpone our convo to a thread about this.
Sorry. Its not Paul did not say for women to keep silent, And God did not either. Some preacher from some backwater town said that and Paul answered it. Basically he answered it by saying….Well look at it The backwater preacher…”let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
35. And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.”
Paul “What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?”
Paul was there answering questions. Some the question was quite obvious. In others the Paul simply repeated the thought. In this case its Paul repeating the thought…”let the women keep silent….”
Now Go to that place and read it...Then back up two chapters to get the context, see whats going on there. You can see Paul answering the questions. And then you can stop making assumptions, because you can KNOW what Paul is talking about.
35. And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.”
Paul “What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?”
Paul was there answering questions. Some the question was quite obvious. In others the Paul simply repeated the thought. In this case its Paul repeating the thought…”let the women keep silent….”
Now Go to that place and read it...Then back up two chapters to get the context, see whats going on there. You can see Paul answering the questions. And then you can stop making assumptions, because you can KNOW what Paul is talking about.
J
well both being single and being married are mentioned in the bible in different yet similar aspects paul said"better to marry than to burn" but also virginity in the bible is holy,and though it isn't called quote"being single" it is implied that either way can be good for an individual spiritually,so you and trofinos both make valid points concerning which is better spiritually,and actually neither is actually "better than the other" it all depends on the individual,for if an individual is troubled about backsliding then perhaps marriage is best for when married the spouses "become as one" caring for each other as themselves so they help keep each other from falling into sin,where as if an individual is a virgin,then they can remain so and be blessed,both are pleasing to God,for both are efforts made to keep from sin and therefore are acceptable unto God,as to which God views as "best"'if you seek his view on this,take it up with him,for who better to "judge" what God thinks "best" than God himself.
P
Paul was addressing a problem in the local church.
God has an order to His creation.
Man was created first and then woman to be his helpmate. Woman made man complete. Man needed her.
In the family, the husband, the man is to be the head. He is not superior, nor smarter, nor less. God placed him there and will hold him responsible for their well being both physically and spiritually.
The man needs the woman' help in doing this.
When a local church gathers, there is an order to be followed.
The man is to lead. The woman is not to assume the role of teaching men.
Paul teaches that the older men are to teach the younger men.
The older women are to teach the younger women and the children.
If the man and the woman will do as Paul instructed, neither would have time to infringe on the duty of the other.
In my opinion, God placed women in a very exalted place in His creation.
It is through the woman God brings life. Man's part is small and short.
She also nourishes life with her body.
It is all about order, not about discrimination, not about putting the woman down.
God has an order to His creation.
Man was created first and then woman to be his helpmate. Woman made man complete. Man needed her.
In the family, the husband, the man is to be the head. He is not superior, nor smarter, nor less. God placed him there and will hold him responsible for their well being both physically and spiritually.
The man needs the woman' help in doing this.
When a local church gathers, there is an order to be followed.
The man is to lead. The woman is not to assume the role of teaching men.
Paul teaches that the older men are to teach the younger men.
The older women are to teach the younger women and the children.
If the man and the woman will do as Paul instructed, neither would have time to infringe on the duty of the other.
In my opinion, God placed women in a very exalted place in His creation.
It is through the woman God brings life. Man's part is small and short.
She also nourishes life with her body.
It is all about order, not about discrimination, not about putting the woman down.
See? Here you're spouting a doctrine not of Word, but of man....God did not put women in a subservient position. You can look from Genesis to Revelation and you find many cases where God put women into roles of ministry, even over men. If God does that, why would He tell women to sit down and shut up? Answer is He does not. Men do that. Religious nuts who don't know what the Word says do that.
Why don't you spend the time reading the bible instead of fighting? Look up were Paul "Said that" and then back up a couple chapters and find out for yourself what was happening. I already said in a previous post on this thread what was happening. Now stop your stupid fighting and learn something for yourself here. Paul was not lying. Paul did not say women should shut up. Men said that, and foolish men keep saying that.
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
The authority structure of God on earth,which angels are last,for they are ministering spirits sent to minister to all those that shall inherit salvation,and the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints,for the saints will have a higher position in heaven.
Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
There is no authority structure in the spiritual realm,for the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh,the spirit and soul are the same,which is why Jesus said they do not marry in heaven,but are as the angels,and there is no gender among the angels,and the saints have eternal life.
Women can preach,teach,prophesy,to people like men can do,but when the saints come together to worship God,and hear the word,it should be a man to lead the congregation as the authority structure on earth.
In the marriage the man is the head according to the will of God,so the man has nowhere to glory for he is to lead in the ways of God,and not his agenda,and she is a help mate and can have input also.
If the man is not doing right by the will of God,what should she do,for her first duty is to God,not to her husband,and as a saint should be able to openly tell him the error of his ways.
The husband has nowhere to glory,for it is all according to the will of God,and not his will,and he is to love the wife,as Christ loved the Church.
Jesus said whoever is greater let him be the servant,and Jesus was a servant to both men and women,although he is the head of the Church.
The man is actually the servant of the woman in the marriage,and the servant of the congregation,and not greater,but responsibility is laid upon him to guide the marriage,and Church,in the ways of God.
This authority structure does not work in the world,for they want to exalt themselves in arrogance,and control,but it is not that way according to the authority structure of God,for lead in the ways of God,and shut your mouth of anything else,thou worldly man.
It should not be,we are going here,and going there,and shut your mouth about it,or we will eat here,and we will eat there,and do not say a word if you know what is good for you,for the man should actually cater to his wife,and let het have her way in an equal way of things they do.
My uncle and aunt almost got a divorvce because he always wanted his way of the things they did,which my dad said,I love my brother,but he is arrogant,and my uncle gets mad like the dickens if he loses at anything,which we were playing volleyball at the family reunion,and he was getting all bent out of shape over the game,and my other uncle said,chill out it is only a game.
Some husbands do not really act like husbands with their rule,and control,but on the plus side my uncle would never physically,or orally abuse her,but he sure likes to have his way,which he owns his own shingle roofing company,which I worked for him on summer vacation when I was in school,but it was not a picnic for he will find things to yell about,but he told me,Matt I am sorry that I yell so much but I get cranky out in this heat,and my brother worked for him,and left the job and took off walking because he could not take his bickering,and me and my brother used to kid that when he came up the ladder when he got near to the top of kicking the ladder away from the house,for that would of been hilarious,for I know he would go beserk,especially when he hit the ground.
1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
The authority structure of God on earth,which angels are last,for they are ministering spirits sent to minister to all those that shall inherit salvation,and the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints,for the saints will have a higher position in heaven.
Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
There is no authority structure in the spiritual realm,for the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh,the spirit and soul are the same,which is why Jesus said they do not marry in heaven,but are as the angels,and there is no gender among the angels,and the saints have eternal life.
Women can preach,teach,prophesy,to people like men can do,but when the saints come together to worship God,and hear the word,it should be a man to lead the congregation as the authority structure on earth.
In the marriage the man is the head according to the will of God,so the man has nowhere to glory for he is to lead in the ways of God,and not his agenda,and she is a help mate and can have input also.
If the man is not doing right by the will of God,what should she do,for her first duty is to God,not to her husband,and as a saint should be able to openly tell him the error of his ways.
The husband has nowhere to glory,for it is all according to the will of God,and not his will,and he is to love the wife,as Christ loved the Church.
Jesus said whoever is greater let him be the servant,and Jesus was a servant to both men and women,although he is the head of the Church.
The man is actually the servant of the woman in the marriage,and the servant of the congregation,and not greater,but responsibility is laid upon him to guide the marriage,and Church,in the ways of God.
This authority structure does not work in the world,for they want to exalt themselves in arrogance,and control,but it is not that way according to the authority structure of God,for lead in the ways of God,and shut your mouth of anything else,thou worldly man.
It should not be,we are going here,and going there,and shut your mouth about it,or we will eat here,and we will eat there,and do not say a word if you know what is good for you,for the man should actually cater to his wife,and let het have her way in an equal way of things they do.
My uncle and aunt almost got a divorvce because he always wanted his way of the things they did,which my dad said,I love my brother,but he is arrogant,and my uncle gets mad like the dickens if he loses at anything,which we were playing volleyball at the family reunion,and he was getting all bent out of shape over the game,and my other uncle said,chill out it is only a game.
Some husbands do not really act like husbands with their rule,and control,but on the plus side my uncle would never physically,or orally abuse her,but he sure likes to have his way,which he owns his own shingle roofing company,which I worked for him on summer vacation when I was in school,but it was not a picnic for he will find things to yell about,but he told me,Matt I am sorry that I yell so much but I get cranky out in this heat,and my brother worked for him,and left the job and took off walking because he could not take his bickering,and me and my brother used to kid that when he came up the ladder when he got near to the top of kicking the ladder away from the house,for that would of been hilarious,for I know he would go beserk,especially when he hit the ground.