THE POWER OF THE TONGUE PROVERBS 18:21

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joaniemarie

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Actually., the bigger lesson we learn when someone or a few someones disagrees with us is how do we behave and how do we think about it and them? If we find we are feeling a huge anger and even a rage inside bubbling up to defend ourselves and the truth as we see it., this is not of the Holy Spirit.

This lesson is much bigger than the different interpretations of the book of Job or the lessons on the power of the tongue. How we conduct ourselves here and in life shows what our real attitude is to us inside. And only we can know if we are feeling an anger rising that is not of the Godly kind. There is a way to discuss the Bible and defend the truth we are learning without harming someone else in the process.





 
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Just ignore those that continue to exhibit malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ that don't believe in things the way "they or their group does."

The truth is the malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ is no different than living a homosexual lifestyle or having outbursts of anger, or envy or any other work of the flesh.

People can give their views on things that are non-essential without all the personal attacks.


People are free to believe whatever they want in the sense that they are beings "of choice".

It doesn't mean that it's true or not true.

People are free to believe that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation but that doesn't make it true no matter how much they say it.

Where people are free to believe in what they choose is in the "non-essentials" - like tongues, healing, end of days, kinds of food one eats...observing one day over another....etc.

This concept is talked about by Paul in Romans 14:1-23

Romans 14:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.


Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

What is non-negotiable is the essentials which is in the Deity of Christ, His Person and His finished work on the cross and resurrection. That we are saved by Christ's death and blood that was shed for us. And this is all based on grace through faith in Him alone. He is the Savior.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.

Stop interacting with those tha continue to exhibit this type of foul behavior and there will be no more fuel for the fire. Just bless them in the name of the Lord and leave each other in the hands of the Lord.
 

joaniemarie

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Just ignore those that continue to exhibit malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ that don't believe in things the way "they or their group does."

The truth is the malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ is no different than living a homosexual lifestyle or having outbursts of anger, or envy or any other work of the flesh.

People can give their views on things that are non-essential without all the personal attacks.


People are free to believe whatever they want in the sense that they are beings "of choice".

It doesn't mean that it's true or not true.

People are free to believe that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation but that doesn't make it true no matter how much they say it.

Where people are free to believe in what they choose is in the "non-essentials" - like tongues, healing, end of days, kinds of food one eats...observing one day over another....etc.

This concept is talked about by Paul in Romans 14:1-23

Romans 14:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.


Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.

What is non-negotiable is the essentials which is in the Deity of Christ, His Person and His finished work on the cross and resurrection. That we are saved by Christ's death and blood that was shed for us. And this is all based on grace through faith in Him alone. He is the Savior.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.

Stop interacting with those tha continue to exhibit this type of foul behavior and there will be no more fuel for the fire. Just bless them in the name of the Lord and leave each other in the hands of the Lord.


Agreed brother. It does no good to argue nor does it do any good to continue reading poisoning posts. As the OP title was about the power of the tongue and words. We can do a lot of harm with our words either said or written. There is a time to address some of the posts and I hoped to do that in the last ones posted. And a time to begin to ignore them. Thanks for your encouraging words as always. Blessings Bruce!!
 
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Well I am glad that is all cleared up.

So I really do not understand what is meant by the "power of the tongue"

Having said that I do agree that sin consciousness as one point was definitely leading to my ruin.

So is this power of the tongue the same a sin consciousness? Is that what he is saying because I find what the OP a
little confusing?




Agreed brother. It does no good to argue nor does it do any good to continue reading poisoning posts. As the OP title was about the power of the tongue and words. We can do a lot of harm with our words either said or written. There is a time to address some of the posts and I hoped to do that in the last ones posted. And a time to begin to ignore them. Thanks for your encouraging words as always. Blessings Bruce!!
 
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You feel qualified to judge someone's heart?

Where is that in what Jesus taught?

Oh and by the way, it has always been a mess....Satan was there from the start and I am told he does not take a day off

Best thing I ever did was give away thirty years worth of books of supposed theological teaching

Spurgeon, Bonehoffer, Sproul, Tillich, MacArthur, Bunyan, Lewis, MacDonald, Piper, Edwards, Tournier, Martin-Lloyd Jones and on and on.....

I do not own any book by JP and have listened to him a few times to see what the commotion was about ....

but one thing I am sure of, if MacArthur was posted every day it would not be a problem, yet Lordship salvation is far from biblical too.
I must not have typed in English

funny

I was pretty sure I typed in English

I emphasized the point that WE DO NOT JUDGE HEARTS

and that got TWISTED to say I feel qualifed to judge hearts

this, is what we are dealing with her

utter nonsense from people who do not the simple capability to understand a post

sad

Prince is a false teacher. that is not going to change, no matter how many times people twist what is said here

MacArthur is a cessationist. I'm not.

if you are going to fire away, maybe you should make sure of your ammunition before you do even more harm

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sevenseas

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here is what I actually wrote

nothing even close to what undergrace is saying I wrote


the rhetoric about people attacking the op is not true as I tried to point out

what I have noticed, is that this and other errors, when pointed out, does not matter how polite you are (and of course we know not everyone is polite) generates a 'personal attack' response

in other words, the emotions rise to the surface and instead of dealing with the objections, and the exposure of the error, the person digs in and says they are being attacked

well they are not being attacked, of course

however these errors are held close to the heart because they appeal to the flesh because THEIR god would never be the God of the Old Testament

their god is the God of the New Testament and Jesus was mixed up with law and stuff

the deceiver is very busy and since only some of Jesus words need attending to, everything He said concerning deception is out the window because we all have the Holy Spirit now

we are all self taught. it would be funny if it wasn't tragic. on the one hand they will do a smack down on a cessationist but on the other they seem to think that the gift of teaching means self taught

only God can sort out the mess

and one more thing

this lie about judging the heart? that's another false arguement like the personal attack excuse

I have said many times that we do not judge the heart


the lies, exaggerations and bad excuses are giving off an odor that has nothing to do with the real fragrance of Christ


For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing;
II Cor. 2:15

you can read the original post and see I have not changed a word

done with the word twisting undergrace

it's your problem and you can deal with it


 
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I miss the next line completely. It is like I did not even see it

I am sorry.

I have been on CC way to much lately ... that I also know

here is what I actually wrote

nothing even close to what undergrace is saying I wrote





you can read the original post and see I have not changed a word

done with the word twisting undergrace

it's your problem and you can deal with it


 
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I have no desire to fire away at anybody.

My point overall, was that most all teachers who have a platform have false teachings...so what is the point of reading any of them.

That is my personal belief, I am not seeking agreement, I was sharing my experiences.
And if you had misread me I would tell you that you probable missed read me, without making a big confrontational thing about it.

here is what I actually wrote

nothing even close to what undergrace is saying I wrote





you can read the original post and see I have not changed a word

done with the word twisting undergrace

it's your problem and you can deal with it


 
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There are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet. To them everyone is a heretic.

There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Dr. Michael Brown, Justin Peters, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Andrew Wommack, Joyce Meyer, Marilyn Hickey...etc..

Basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies".

There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words.

Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics".

Their motto is:

"If people don't believe some scriptures in the way that "they" do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say.."
This is not what we were taught in "my" church or in our whole church tradition.

It's the nature of the beast. Martin Luther was a heretic to the catholic church at the time because for 1100 years prior to Luther they had always "believed" the same way.

Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a false teacher and they are in error and a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.




The power of the tongue.


James 3:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6[/SUP] And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell.

James 3:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God;

[SUP]10 [/SUP] from the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be this way
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joaniemarie

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I have no desire to fire away at anybody.

My point overall, was that most all teachers who have a platform have false teachings...so what is the point of reading any of them.

That is my personal belief, I am not seeking agreement, I was sharing my experiences.
And if you had misread me I would tell you that you probable missed read me, without making a big confrontational thing about it.


Woopsi UnderGrace., did you say something wrong? Did you make a mistake? Not to worry dear sister., Jesus loves you and so do I.
 

joaniemarie

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I miss the next line completely. It is like I did not even see it

I am sorry.

I have been on CC way to much lately ... that I also know

I take regular long breaks from CC like a day or 2 or 3. Then I come back and post away a fresh. Sometimes I post a devotional., sometimes I go to someone else's thread and read what others are saying and post some thoughts on their subjects.
It works really good when regular breaks are taken. Look forward to seeing you again on the Bible study threads. You always have good things to say and you say them kindly. Blessings!!
 

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There are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet. To them everyone is a heretic.

There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Dr. Michael Brown, Justin Peters, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Andrew Wommack, Joyce Meyer, Marilyn Hickey...etc..

Basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies".

There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words.

Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics".

Their motto is:

"If people don't believe some scriptures in the way that "they" do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say.."
This is not what we were taught in "my" church or in our whole church tradition.

It's the nature of the beast. Martin Luther was a heretic to the catholic church at the time because for 1100 years prior to Luther they had always "believed" the same way.

Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a false teacher and they are in error and a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.




The power of the tongue.


James 3:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6[/SUP] And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell.

James 3:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God;

[SUP]10 [/SUP] from the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be this way
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Right, thats why it is not good to follow man without testing the spirit and testing their teachings ore doctrines with the scripture. All your mentioned man above are not 100% right in their teachings. For example the topic free will/not free will. Neither the arminian viev nor the calvinistic view is right. It seems their anyhow beween. So non of the supporters of this 2 doctrines I would call a false teacher. I would not say that this two positions are leading a believer away from the truth. Solong they not teach that their view is 100% right and all others wrong.

Paul wrote in philipians 1, 15-18
Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 16 The one preach Christ out of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? only that, every way, whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.




The most important thing is that the true gospel of Jesus Christ is preached! The motivations for that Paul said are secundär. Even he is notsupporting the wrong and negative motivations.

But Paul is very hard and consequent if someone is preaching a false Gospel. That we can read in Galatians 1, 8-9

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed.



In Galatians he spoke from the Judaists Gospel which said Jesus + the law. Today we find also many teachings which I would consider as a false Gospel. ( f.e. Hyper grace; WoF, Health and Wealth gospel; ) These false gospels finaly will lead the believer awayfrom the truth.

And the problem we find is that these preachers/leadersof a false gospel are mixing Truth with Lie. And so their doctrines sounds fine and sweet.

I am not against that Joaniemarie post a devotion to encourage us, but that the Person who wrote this devotion claims something as truth what definetly is not. (this we can proof , if we can read the text in Job) Do we not have the responsibility to point out what is wrong?
Yes, it makes a matter how we do it. We should do it in love.
In 1. Cor. we find many examples how Paul pointet out in the church.
My personal impression is that Paul was feeling sad and sorrow for the Galatians which were in danger to went back to the law, but I suppose he was also full of anger about the false teachers.

The text which you use from James is much better to explain the Power of the tongue.
 
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Sound and good advice. :)

The problem is I have been online most of the past days marking papers, so I keep flipping back and forth from CC to my online course to break up all the reading,

which is silly really because I am not really giving myself any kind of break from all the reading just adding to it.

So yes better I just go out to my garden and smell the flowers and yes take a little break.





I take regular long breaks from CC like a day or 2 or 3. Then I come back and post away a fresh. Sometimes I post a devotional., sometimes I go to someone else's thread and read what others are saying and post some thoughts on their subjects.
It works really good when regular breaks are taken. Look forward to seeing you again on the Bible study threads. You always have good things to say and you say them kindly. Blessings!!
 
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Right, thats why it is not good to follow man without testing the spirit and testing their teachings ore doctrines with the scripture. All your mentioned man above are not 100% right in their teachings. For example the topic free will/not free will. Neither the arminian viev nor the calvinistic view is right. It seems their anyhow beween. So non of the supporters of this 2 doctrines I would call a false teacher. I would not say that this two positions are leading a believer away from the truth. Solong they not teach that their view is 100% right and all others wrong.

Paul wrote in philipians 1, 15-18
Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 16 The one preach Christ out of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? only that, every way, whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.




The most important thing is that the true gospel of Jesus Christ is preached! The motivations for that Paul said are secundär. Even he is notsupporting the wrong and negative motivations.

But Paul is very hard and consequent if someone is preaching a false Gospel. That we can read in Galatians 1, 8-9

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed.



In Galatians he spoke from the Judaists Gospel which said Jesus + the law. Today we find also many teachings which I would consider as a false Gospel. ( f.e. Hyper grace; WoF, Health and Wealth gospel; ) These false gospels finaly will lead the believer awayfrom the truth.

And the problem we find is that these preachers/leadersof a false gospel are mixing Truth with Lie. And so their doctrines sounds fine and sweet.

I am not against that Joaniemarie post a devotion to encourage us, but that the Person who wrote this devotion claims something as truth what definetly is not. (this we can proof , if we can read the text in Job) Do we not have the responsibility to point out what is wrong?
Yes, it makes a matter how we do it. We should do it in love.
In 1. Cor. we find many examples how Paul pointet out in the church.
My personal impression is that Paul was feeling sad and sorrow for the Galatians which were in danger to went back to the law, but I suppose he was also full of anger about the false teachers.

The text which you use from James is much better to explain the Power of the tongue.
That's also why its good to stay away from sites that denigrate any preacher. No man has the right to bad mouth a man of God.
 

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The bible tells us NOT to criticize preachers.
1. Where is it written? 2. I have no reason to criticize a preacher if he is preaching the truth. What shall we do with preacher sich which preaching not the truth?
 
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1. Where is it written? 2. I have no reason to criticize a preacher if he is preaching the truth. What shall we do with preacher sich which preaching not the truth?
Here is a pretty good teaching on the subject. You dig into the Word now and take it from here. The things you learn from your digging with the Holy Spirit will serve you better than what is simply handed to you.

[FONT=&quot]Do My Prophets No Harm[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This is quoted from Psalm 105:15 and is speaking of The Nation Israel and Her Prophets. In verse 14 God says, "He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes; Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There is a growing attitude in religious circles, even in Bible-believing Churches, that it is okay to do God's Prophets (preachers) harm. This is brought about because of the present day profiteering of hireling preachers. I must confess, I have never seen or heard of so much corruption in the Ministry. I also agree with much of the condemnation of this group. It certainly has made it difficult and sometimes impossible for us to win some people to Christ. Hirelings have put stumbling stones and rocks of offense in the way of their faith. For this, I am truly sorry. I personally believe a preacher who has been caught in immorality, extortion and such should be brought before the Church (local), disciplined according to the Scriptures, and therefore unable to move to another place and repeat the same offense. This would put a stop to most of it and encourage the faith of lost people. In fact, I believe God will hold a local congregation accountable for not dealing with immorality in their Pastor, and especially allowing him to move on without warning the next congregation. For example, I know of several cases where an assistant Pastor was caught in immorality and was allowed to resign and move to another place where he repeated the same immorality. I also believe God will hold a Church and its leadership responsible for the next transgression which would have been avoided had it been dealt with in a Biblical fashion. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I said all that to say this: There is a vast difference between dealing with an ungodly Preacher and a Godly man of God. You would be wise to be careful and not raise a hand or voice against a true man of God. What does the Bible say about it? I will continue next week with some Bible examples and some true life illustrations of God's dealing with those who did His Prophets harm. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Part 2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]On this past Sunday at lunch, I heard a man "have his Pastor for lunch." He was criticizing the Pastor's Sunday message, saying he should have preached such-and-such a message. Now, even if I felt that, I sure wouldn't say it in a public place where others could hear. I think it impossible to be a coincidence that the very day after I write on the subject, I get a firsthand example of my subject. It was a strong confirmation to my heart from God that He indeed placed it on my heart to write on the subject. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Listen, friends, you could be right in your opinion and wrong in your actions. A bulldog can whip a skunk any day; it just isn't worth the battle. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Numbers 12:1-2, 4-9 we see, "And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it... And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out. And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth. And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream. My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house. With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed." Read the rest of the chapter and notice the LORD departed and in verse 10, "Miriam became leprous." In verse 11 we see "And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned." Then in verse 13, "And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee." Look at God's reply to Moses' "Heal her now" in verse 14. "If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days?" If she had to be unclean and shut out seven days for that, she certainly would be unclean for what she did to the Man of God. By the way, did you notice that Miriam is most likely the instigator in this and the complaint in verse 1 and 2 are different? Aaron is a follower! Isn't that the way it usually happens? Warning: Be careful who you follow. It could cost heavily! To be continued... [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Part 3[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Numbers 16 we have the account of Korah, Dathan, Abiram and their company of rebels who rose up against Moses and Aaron saying in verse 3, "Ye take too much upon you... wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?" Verse 4 states, "And when Moses heard it, he fell on his face." Then he spoke to Korah and all his company telling them to show up tomorrow and God will show who are His. He tells them to bring censors and put fire therein and incense. Then in verses 7-11 notice: "Ye take too much upon you, ye sons of Levi."; "Seemeth it but a small thing unto you?"; "seek ye the priesthood also?" Moses states that they are "gathered together against the LORD." He calls for Dathan and Abiram and they refuse to come and accuse Moses of making himself a Prince over them. Moses becomes very wroth and "said unto the LORD, Respect not thou their offering: I have not taken one ass from them, neither have I hurt one of them." Then he tells them to meet tomorrow with his company and their golden censors. They meet at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation and the glory of the LORD appeared. Verse 20-21 states, "And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment." Moses intercedes for them in verse 22, yet God says, "Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get you up from about the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram." Moses goes to their tents and speaks verse 26, "Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of their's, lest ye be consumed in all their sins." In verse 29, their sin was so severe that they are not going to die a common death and God was going to make a new thing to teach others of the severity of the offense. Verses 30-35 tell us that the earth opened up and swallowed them all alive with all they had and then closed up. Then a fire went out from the LORD and killed the 250 followers. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Do you realize that all this happened because they raised up against a man of God? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]May I sound out this warning again? Moses, Aaron and every other real man of God are in positions that are protected by God Himself. The honor belongs to the position rather than the person holding the position. Look at 1 Samuel 24 and 1 Samuel 26 and see that David spared Saul, not because he deserved it, but because he was in an anointed position. He even felt bad about cutting off the skirt of Saul's robe. 1 Samuel 26:9 states, "Who can stretch forth his hand against the LORD'S anointed, and be guiltless?" See verses 11, 16 and 23. When David heard of Saul's death in 2 Samuel 1:1-16, he mourned, wept, and fasted. In verse 14, David asks, "How wast thou not afraid to destroy the LORD'S anointed?" Then in verse 16 after the young man is slain, David said, "Thy blood be upon thy head; for thy mouth hath testified against thee, saying, I have slain the LORD'S anointed." Saul was not special in himself, but the position he held was.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Part 4[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Last week I gave the example of Miriam and Aaron rising up against Moses and having God rebuke them. God asked Miriam and Aaron a question in Numbers 12:8. "Wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?" That is a good question for today. Why are people emboldened to speak against and criticize a man of God? The answer: They either do not know what the Bible says or they do not care what the Bible says about this subject. In Numbers 12, God did not rebuke their opinion. Please notice however, He rebuked their rebellion against the man of God. Verse 9 tells us, "And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them;" God never said their opinion was wrong. The crux of the matter was their boldness to criticize the man of God. May I sound another warning: You may be correct in your opinion, but you will be wrong to go against a true Spirit-filled man of God. I have often told my congregation that if My Pastor, Dr. Charles E. Wright, told me he wanted a light pole in the middle of the parking lot, I would ask him to mark the spot and ask no questions. Furthermore, I would not let anyone criticize him. Let me go a step further: If anyone opened their mouth about it to me, I would ask, "Have you said this Pastor?" If their response is "no", I would tell them they have no business saying it to me, and they better hurry and get to him before I do. This would put a stop to most gossip, backbiting and criticism in Churches. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Let me give another example from the Bible. In 2 Kings.2:23-25, Elisha is going toward Bethel "and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." There is no doubt that these children learned their irreverence from their parents in town. They didn't just mock anyone...they mocked a man of God and God made an example of them. Read it in your Bible. All they did was make fun of his bald head. Not only that, but they are also poking at him by saying "go up." Elijah went up and they are alluding to that. Again, it is obvious that they are following their parent's criticism. Let me sound another warning: Parents, if you make a habit of having the preacher for lunch and criticize him before your children, do not be surprised if they become irreverent and uninterested in the things of God. If you criticize the man of God in front of them, you are their own worst enemy and you place a stumbling block that will destroy. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Part 5[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Read Matthew 23:29-39 and Acts 7:51-52 and see how Israel treated the Prophets God sent to them. In Matthew 23:35 Jesus said, "That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Would you please look at Hebrews 13:7,17 and 24 and notice: "Remember them that have the rule over you...", "Obey them that have the rule over you..." and "Salute them that have the rule over you..." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]My dear friends, we preachers did not write those words. You would be wise to heed those words. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I know there are churches in our area that have a constant turnover of Pastors. Usually it is the same 5% of unspiritual, cantankerous Church members that bring this about. The same crowd tries to run the Pastor. When that doesn't work, they get up a campaign to get rid of him and stop at nothing, including ruining him and his family. Let me give some free advice. The other 95% of the Church members ought to stand with the good Pastor, go to the troublemakers and attempt to correct the situation. If that doesn't work, tell it to the Church and practice discipline on them. The cause of Christ demands it! The Word of Christ demands it! If you fear them more than you fear God, you can expect Ichabod to be written over the door of your Church. I am not trying to run other Churches. It is just sad to hear of constant Church trouble by the same people year after year. Look at Proverbs 6:19 and notice one of the things God hates is "A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I want to give some examples of how God dealt with folks for rising up against the Man of God. A young Pastor in Michigan started a Church in a storefront. The Pastor felt it was time to buy land and build. He presented his burden to the people and gave the first $100 to buy the land. (He worked a job and pastored) He was asking for commitments following his example. He asked, "Who can give a hundred?" "Fifty?" "Twenty?" "Ten?" Finally, he asked with his index finger lifted, "Who will give a dollar?" Later a young couple with a critical attitude began mocking him at home lifting the index finger and saying "Who will give a dollar?" Four months later, their little baby girl was born... without an index finger on the right hand. They apologized to the Pastor and were left with a reminder of their rebellion against God's man. To be continued with more examples. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Part 6[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In article #5 I started giving some examples of how God dealt with those who raised up against the true man of God. A baby lost a finger and a couple saved their lives. It was not so with a lady in Alabama. A disgruntled Church member had been calling around stirring up people about the Pastor. The Pastor and his wife were to sing and Bro. Phil Kidd was to preach. A church member stood up and wanted to "Testify". When he started to attack the Pastor, Bro. Kidd told the Pastor and his wife to go ahead and sing. This made the man mad and he and about 35 people walked out and stood at the front seeking a confrontation. The Pastor and Bro. Kidd went out. In the group was a good woman who had been listening to the man. She ran up to the Pastor shaking her finger in his face and said, "you are the problem; you have ruined our Church; this is our Church; you need to leave." The Holy Spirit spoke to Bro. Kidd's heart and said, "Tell Mrs. White I am going to kill her for what she just did to the man of God." Bro. Kidd walked up to her and said, "I need to say something to Mrs. White." She said, "Bro. Kidd, I'm sorry you're here and I'm sorry for what I said. I'm sorry you're in the midst of this mess." Bro. Kidd said, "Mrs. White, the Holy Spirit told me to tell you you're going to die for what you just did to the man of God." A hush just fell over the place and folks began leaving quietly. Twenty-nine days later the Pastor called Bro. Kidd from her hospital bedside. The doctors were puzzled stating her system was shutting down for no reason. She had apologized to the Pastor and the Church and wanted to apologize to Bro. Kidd. Bro. Kidd said, "Mrs. White, I love you and I forgive you, but you are still going to die." She died the next morning. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Dr. Charles E. Wright, Pastor for 22 years of Peoples Baptist in Morrow, Ga. had this experience. A woman would call the Church and ask for a member of a certain family, harassing them. She was after the husband. Finally, Bro. Wright answered the phone. She asked, "Who is this?" Bro. Wright said, "I am the Pastor." She responded, "You're not a Pastor, you're the devil." She dropped dead a few days later. Bro. Wright also told me of four men who went against his Pastor years ago. One had his wife leave for another man, a son that died, and finally, he died unexpectedly. Another, a banker, had a daughter give birth to an illegitimate child, a son to commit suicide, he went into bankruptcy, his wife lost her mind and he died of a stroke. Another one went to the hospital with severe indigestion. The doctor said he felt it was a blood clot. Bro. Wright visited him and he said boldly with his continued attitude, "I don't believe I got a blood clot." They sent him home and he died of a blood clot. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Part 7[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When I began writing on this subject weeks ago, I knew it would be an unpopular subject. We have had several positive calls indicating there has been a need for this series of articles. I rest assured that there are some Pastors who have been encouraged to hear an unfamiliar voice giving an unbiased Biblical viewpoint on such a needy subject. I am sure some careless Christians who have let their guard down under the influence of carnal critics have been warned by God and have responded in a positive fashion. On the other hand, I would not doubt that there has been critical talk over the articles by those consumed with bitterness, hatred, variance and vengeance. Finally, taking Bro. Charles E. Wright's Monday night message titled, "They Got What They Wanted, But They Lost What They Had", I am also convinced that some will continue on in their sinful behavior and lose in the end. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bro. Wright took us to 1 Samuel 8:5-19 and showed how the people of God desired a king like the heathen nations. Samuel prays in verse 6 and God answers in verse 7, "And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: FOR THEY HAVE NOT REJECTED THEE, BUT THEY HAVE REJECTED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT REIGN OVER THEM." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now notice, They got what they wanted but in verse 9 God tells Samuel to tell them what it will cost them to have this king. They lost their freedom, their sons and daughters and their lands. They would be brought into servitude. They could get what they wanted, but lose what they had. Even after Samuel told them what it would cost, they refused to be instructed. Verse 19 states, "Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Please look again at verse 7 and notice, "For they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them." When a person goes against a true, Spirit-filled man of God who is being led by God to make the decisions or give leadership, that person is indirectly rejecting God's delegated authority. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I could go on and on with Biblical examples as well as real-life examples of people who got what they wanted, and yet lost what they had because they crossed over the line and attacked the man of God, not realizing they were really attacking the authority invested in him by God. One of the most dangerous things you could do is put your hands on a true man of God! [/FONT]
 
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That's also why its good to stay away from sites that denigrate any preacher. No man has the right to bad mouth a man of God.
Not one single person came agaisnt Joe Prince...we are coming against his false teaching....
 
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Not one single person came agaisnt Joe Prince...we are coming against his false teaching....
Yeah well....The bible says to come against even false teaching by teaching the truth, not criticizing. Then you may also rebuke those that follow false teaching...but YOU teach the truth and leave the false teacher to the Lord. Simple as that.